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chiefdave

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  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,836
oakey said:
Any idea why people buy houses (especially new builds) with such tiny windows? Every room in my house has a window for its entire length. I would go crazy with so little light and view.
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The official reason is energy efficiency, most people believe the real reason is cost. A square metre of brickwork is far cheaper than a square metre of glazing.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,837
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Why does anyone need acres of land attached to their property? Have I said they can't have a nice house? No. Have I said they can't have any land at all? No. Did I say that that land should be confiscated? No - they should be paid for it. I'm saying when we have such a need for new housing why should some people have massive amounts of land, some of which they probably never even visit, while others can't even get a house to live in?

As for 'creating wealth', I think what you mean is 'hoarding wealth'. We've seen these 'wealth creators' and their shit contracts, shit working conditions and shit pay leading a race to the bottom for workers. That's why we have so many people that are struggling just to keep their head above water while the 'wealth creators' are rolling in money. In another post you say the poor don't create wealth. How about giving the money to those further down the social scale in better pay and conditions, even company ownership for employees, and those poor people can be wealth creators because they'll have more money to spend on goods and services and help create jobs because of that. Because you know the thing about wealthy people - they already have enough money to spend if they want to, but they choose not to.
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OK, whatever, comrade. You have to create wealth before you can horde it. Unless you are Putin or one of his chums - in which case you just steal it.
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,838
chiefdave said:
The official reason is energy efficiency, most people believe the real reason is cost. A square metre of brickwork is far cheaper than a square metre of glazing.
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Leaving opening for it as well lintel ect, but obviously most glass for a window would be made up of smaller pieces.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,839
If you look at houses you can see when bricks were cheaper or more expensive than glass. Cheaper glass = bigger windows (1960’s), cheaper bricks = smaller windows (now).
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,840
fernandopartridge said:
So you'd rather make no capital gain in your life than pay a bit of tax on it, sounds plausible.
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I suppose capital gain tax would mean less inheritance tax.
If someone had to sell their property to pay for social care, which some get for free, should they pay capital gains tax then?
I’ve paid more than a bit of tax in my life.
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,841
MalcSB said:
If you look at houses you can see when bricks were cheaper or more expensive than glass. Cheaper glass = bigger windows (1960’s), cheaper bricks = smaller windows (now).
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Use to be the around £60 a SQM in the early 80's,.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,842
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Why does anyone need acres of land attached to their property? Have I said they can't have a nice house? No. Have I said they can't have any land at all? No. Did I say that that land should be confiscated? No - they should be paid for it. I'm saying when we have such a need for new housing why should some people have massive amounts of land, some of which they probably never even visit, while others can't even get a house to live in?

As for 'creating wealth', I think what you mean is 'hoarding wealth'. We've seen these 'wealth creators' and their shit contracts, shit working conditions and shit pay leading a race to the bottom for workers. That's why we have so many people that are struggling just to keep their head above water while the 'wealth creators' are rolling in money. In another post you say the poor don't create wealth. How about giving the money to those further down the social scale in better pay and conditions, even company ownership for employees, and those poor people can be wealth creators because they'll have more money to spend on goods and services and help create jobs because of that. Because you know the thing about wealthy people - they already have enough money to spend if they want to, but they choose not to.
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Ashdown

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  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,843
The culture of envy is completely alive here as usual, jealous twisted moaners who want to be handed everything someone else has worked for !
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,844
MalcSB said:
OK, whatever, comrade. You have to create wealth before you can horde it. Unless you are Putin or one of his chums - in which case you just steal it.
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It's not a new thing. Most of the housing in Coventry is on what would at one point have been the land of someone's estate, and like today a huge amount of wealth can be traced back to inheritance at some point. Much of it was someone's hunting grounds at one point. Would you be happy that at some point someone didn't want your house built because it was on their land? As time goes on and we see that inequality isn't right lands will (and should) continue to be questioned and get smaller.

I'm a keen gardener and would love to have numerous different types of garden, but there is no way I would ever actually considering owning the amount of land needed to do it because it would be massively unjust. I couldn't justify having the chance to indulge my hobby and passion at the expense of someone else having their own property.

It's not like I'd start with those with moderate lands (though I do think those with a decent sized garden should not be allowed to also have an allotment). I'd start with the Crown. When you can say your garden is Cornwall then yes, you need it redistributing so other people have the chance to own their own house and the land it comes on.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,845
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It's not a new thing. Most of the housing in Coventry is on what would at one point have been the land of someone's estate, and like today a huge amount of wealth can be traced back to inheritance at some point. Much of it was someone's hunting grounds at one point. Would you be happy that at some point someone didn't want your house built because it was on their land? As time goes on and we see that inequality isn't right lands will (and should) continue to be questioned and get smaller.

I'm a keen gardener and would love to have numerous different types of garden, but there is no way I would ever actually considering owning the amount of land needed to do it because it would be massively unjust. I couldn't justify having the chance to indulge my hobby and passion at the expense of someone else having their own property.

It's not like I'd start with those with moderate lands (though I do think those with a decent sized garden should not be allowed to also have an allotment). I'd start with the Crown. When you can say your garden is Cornwall then yes, you need it redistributing so other people have the chance to own their own house and the land it comes on.
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And the religious orders?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,846
MalcSB said:
And the religious orders?
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Yep, them too. Though obviously if it's been used as a graveyard then that would need special consideration.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,847
I'm all for a bit of wealth redistribution, but I didn't expect to see the politicsof Mugabe being advocated as policy in the runup to an election!
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,848
Ashdown said:
The culture of envy is completely alive here as usual, jealous twisted moaners who want to be handed everything someone else has worked for !
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The irony here being that your boy Farage is the ultimate scrounger.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,849
I did the who should I vote for quiz on the Times website and got in order

1. Greens
2. Lib Dem
3. Labour
4. Reform
5. Tory

 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,850
fernandopartridge said:
I did the who should I vote for quiz on the Times website and got in order

1. Greens
2. Lib Dem
3. Labour
4. Reform
5. Tory

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Worryingly, I'm the same.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,851
MalcSB said:
I suppose capital gain tax would mean less inheritance tax.
If someone had to sell their property to pay for social care, which some get for free, should they pay capital gains tax then?
I’ve paid more than a bit of tax in my life.
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The tax could be offset against the costs of their care

I've played plenty of tax in my life to date as well, but have not, unlike you, been the beneficiary of massive property value inflation.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,852
Bugger me, it's Rwanda that swings me more pro Reform than Tory. Not sure their plan to abolish Rwanda by abolishing all migration is quite in the spirit of the question.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,853
fernandopartridge said:
I did the who should I vote for quiz on the Times website and got in order

1. Greens
2. Lib Dem
3. Labour
4. Reform
5. Tory

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Green
Labour
Lib Dem
Tory
Reform

I did another one the other day and matched 96% with Count Binface
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,854
Land ownership very murky in this country. Just finding out the final beneficiary behind it all and making all the geospatial data open would be a good start. Then at least we know who to aim the pitchforks at. I’m not sure we’re so short of land that we need to start taking it back though. Land Value Tax would be a good start though.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 14, 2024
  • #37,855
fernandopartridge said:
I did the who should I vote for quiz on the Times website and got in order

1. Greens
2. Lib Dem
3. Labour
4. Reform
5. Tory

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,856
Ashdown said:
The culture of envy is completely alive here as usual, jealous twisted moaners who want to be handed everything someone else has worked for !
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MalcSB said:
OK, whatever, comrade. You have to create wealth before you can horde it. Unless you are Putin or one of his chums - in which case you just steal it.
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I think you have both conflated social democracy with something different.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,857
fernandopartridge said:
The tax could be offset against the costs of their care

I've played plenty of tax in my life to date as well, but have not, unlike you, been the beneficiary of massive property value inflation.
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On what basis do you make the assumption that I have been the beneficiary of massive property value inflation? Without going in to the details, I can assure you that I haven’t.

If you think that any CGT would be offset against the costs of a private nursing company, you must be totally deluded.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,858
shmmeee said:
Land ownership very murky in this country. Just finding out the final beneficiary behind it all and making all the geospatial data open would be a good start. Then at least we know who to aim the pitchforks at. I’m not sure we’re so short of land that we need to start taking it back though. Land Value Tax would be a good start though.
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We could have an air that you breathe tax too!
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,859
Sky Blue Pete said:
Just in London
Soho
Clapham
It’s wonderful
So much space
Great atmosphere
Very friendly
Think Farage and fox and tice just talk shit about londonistan and stuff
Love our country
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It’s genuinely one of the best capitals in the world. It’s the usual snowflakes who are scared of big cities who try to put it down because of crime.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,860
Sick Boy said:
It’s genuinely one of the best capitals in the world. It’s the usual snowflakes who are scared of big cities who try to put it down because of crime.
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Genuinely was absolutely fantastic
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,861
Sky Blue Pete said:
Genuinely was absolutely fantastic
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This is still a great country. From london, to cornwall/Devon to the lakes. As a nation we spend a lot of time talking it down because of frustration with politics, weather etc and take so much for granted, but we’re lucky to have been born here
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,862
CCFCSteve said:
This is still a great country. From london, to cornwall/Devon to the lakes. As a nation we spend a lot of time talking it down because of frustration with politics, weather etc and take so much for granted, but we’re lucky to have been born here
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110%
 
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  • Jun 15, 2024
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CCFCSteve said:
This is still a great country. From london, to cornwall/Devon to the lakes. As a nation we spend a lot of time talking it down because of frustration with politics, weather etc and take so much for granted, but we’re lucky to have been born here
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Totally agree (weather is actually not too bad really, we tend not to have droughts or be cut off because of the snow!). What does annoy me is a certain type of 'patriot' trying to take away parts of Britain that make it Great by their small-mindedness, and trying to claim parts of it for their own.

I'd rather Starmer sit in front of a Union Flag than Tommy Robinson!
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,864
Deleted member 5849 said:
Totally agree (weather is actually not too bad really, we tend not to have droughts or be cut off because of the snow!). What does annoy me is a certain 'patriot' trying to take away parts of Britain that make it Great by their small-mindedness, and trying to claim parts of it for their own.

I'd rather Starmer sit in front of a Union Flag than Tommy Robinson!
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Was quite beautiful rained and met up with a friend who’s moved down there
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,865
Sky Blue Pete said:
Genuinely was absolutely fantastic
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I agree and that's what you get when you concentrate your investment in a place. Other cities could be much better with even half of London investment levels.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,866
MalcSB said:
We could have an air that you breathe tax too!
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Carbon tax is a good idea.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,867
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Why does anyone need acres of land attached to their property? Have I said they can't have a nice house? No. Have I said they can't have any land at all? No. Did I say that that land should be confiscated? No - they should be paid for it. I'm saying when we have such a need for new housing why should some people have massive amounts of land, some of which they probably never even visit, while others can't even get a house to live in?

As for 'creating wealth', I think what you mean is 'hoarding wealth'. We've seen these 'wealth creators' and their shit contracts, shit working conditions and shit pay leading a race to the bottom for workers. That's why we have so many people that are struggling just to keep their head above water while the 'wealth creators' are rolling in money. In another post you say the poor don't create wealth. How about giving the money to those further down the social scale in better pay and conditions, even company ownership for employees, and those poor people can be wealth creators because they'll have more money to spend on goods and services and help create jobs because of that. Because you know the thing about wealthy people - they already have enough money to spend if they want to, but they choose not to.
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Lol - it’s the tooting popular front

Let me guess you don’t have much of a garden and live in a terraced property

Cheer yourself up and watch the trooping of the colour
 
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RegTheDonk

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,868
chiefdave said:
Green
Labour
Lib Dem
Tory
Reform

I did another one the other day and matched 96% with Count Binface
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These yes no polls are clickbait rubbish most of the time anyway. I came out Labour on top with Reform a close second, how's that accurate.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,869
In the times quiz thing I got:

Labour
Lib Dem
Green
Reform
Tory


So at least I know I'm voting for the right party (and getting the government I want).
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,870
PVA said:
In the times quiz thing I got:

Labour
Lib Dem
Green
Reform
Tory


So at least I know I'm voting for the right party (and getting the government I want).
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Did someone fill it out for you?
 
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