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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (22 Viewers)

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shmmeee

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,731
fernandopartridge said:
Didn't the Tories already try this? I remember it happening in Greater Manchester, there was a mayor led 'spatial framework' where each of the GM authorities had to assign spaces for housing developments. It's taken years to get it approved:

Home

Greater Manchester Combined Authority (GMCA) - working together to improve the lives of people in Greater Manchester - Bolton, Bury, Manchester, Oldham, Rochdale, Salford, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan
www.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk
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It needs proper planning reform and not central control really, but I’ll take anything at the moment. Devil will be in the detail of the bill which is apparently ready to go day one.

If he spends his political capital on council tax rebanding and effective planning reform I’ll take it.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,732
David O'Day said:

Hospital waiting lists rise to 7.57m

Jump in England comes after ministers claimed the NHS backlog had started to come down.
www.bbc.co.uk

With this and growth flatlining it's almost as if the universe wants Sunak to fuck off.
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Trouble is they really do but not just him the whole f**king party!!
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,733
Genuine living wage with no age bands
Ban zero hours contracts
End fire and rehire
Basic job rights from day one
Strengthen trade union rights
Orgreave enquiry

Hello Comrade Starmer
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,734
What a massive cuck

 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,735
Im such a nerd, this is genuinely one of my favourite things I’ve read so far. I remember speaking to the head data guy at CCC when I was doing my masters and his frustration at how hard it is to join up services because this doesn’t exist.
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,736
shmmeee said:
What a massive cuck

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Still being a useful idiot it appears?
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,737
Grendel said:

Benefits scroungers in town boast they 'chill out and enjoy life'

EXCLUSIVE: The unemployed in Jaywick, Essex are claiming 'thousands of pounds' a month of taxpayer's cash - while locals complain there are jobs, people just don't want them.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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Would love to know how. When I've come under threat of losing my job or when the doctor suggested I would benefit greatly from time off work I've looked to see what I would get and I'd last a month at best before I couldn't afford to pay my mortgage.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,738
chiefdave said:
Would love to know how. When I've come under threat of losing my job or when the doctor suggested I would benefit greatly from time off work I've looked to see what I would get and I'd last a month at best before I couldn't afford to pay my mortgage.
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Cant see what you’re replying to, but assuming it’s a life on benefits. The answer is crime. They do crime.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,739
shmmeee said:
Im such a nerd, this is genuinely one of my favourite things I’ve read so far. I remember speaking to the head data guy at CCC when I was doing my masters and his frustration at how hard it is to join up services because this doesn’t exist.
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Wonder how it will work in practice. You have a single unique identifier in the NHS, your NHS number, yet there is no continuity of service and its common for things to get lost in transmission between different departments and services.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,740
shmmeee said:
Straight into my YIMBY veins

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So, just to confirm, you will have fewer rights under Labour?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,741
Not the worst but still lacks creativity of major and fairer tax reforms like the Greens. And they’re needed to implement real change. I’ll still lend them my vote, I just wish greens had a better chance of winning my seat, or alternatively labour had no chance at all so I didn’t have to choose to vote tactically. The Tories have earned a good kick in so I’ll be voting tactically to make sure they get it.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,742
chiefdave said:
Wonder how it will work in practice. You have a single unique identifier in the NHS, your NHS number, yet there is no continuity of service and its common for things to get lost in transmission between different departments and services.
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There’s a different reason in the NHS around medical records that FP can probably explain better than me. Without a UID you literally can’t tell that the person for example reported to social services is also on benefits or whatever. At least in the NHS once they do have access to your records they know it’s the same person.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,743
Just read that the overnight data on NHS waiting lists has gone up again after Sunak was bragging last night they were coming down. Can’t believe he wasn’t aware of the latest statistics last night before he claimed that they were coming down. Also don’t buy for a minute that he hasn’t seen Ed Conways appraisal of his tax “cuts” that will push the tax burden to an 80 year high by the end of the next parliament should he win the GE.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,744
chiefdave said:
Wonder how it will work in practice. You have a single unique identifier in the NHS, your NHS number, yet there is no continuity of service and its common for things to get lost in transmission between different departments and services.
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There’s the NI number as well.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,745
shmmeee said:
There’s a different reason in the NHS around medical records that FP can probably explain better than me. Without a UID you literally can’t tell that the person for example reported to social services is also on benefits or whatever. At least in the NHS once they do have access to your records they know it’s the same person.
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Part of the problem is that digitisation of NHS records has not gone well: paper records still abound. Fortunately mine are relatively slim for my age: some are enormous.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,746
MalcSB said:
Part of the problem is that digitisation of NHS records has not gone well: paper records still abound. Fortunately mine are relatively slim for my age: some are enormous.
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The system is frankly a shambles. I've had 3 visits to A&E in recent weeks, all for the same thing.

After the first visit I was assured that my GP would have the details and I should book a follow up appointment with them. To this day they haven't appeared.

On my second visit to A&E they seemed to have zero knowledge or record of the previous visit. Then on my 3rd visit some systems kicked in that apply to people who have visited twice with the same issue, despite it being my third visit with the same issue.

At my surgery I can rarely see the same GP twice. When I am asked to go for follow up appointments they seemingly have no clue why they have asked me to go back. On one rare occasion I had a follow up appointment with the same GP as the initial appointment he literally went through the same appointment and tried to prescribe me the same drugs I was already on following the original appointment. Had to explain to him that this was the follow up appointment that he had requested.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,747
chiefdave said:
The system is frankly a shambles. I've had 3 visits to A&E in recent weeks, all for the same thing.

After the first visit I was assured that my GP would have the details and I should book a follow up appointment with them. To this day they haven't appeared.

On my second visit to A&E they seemed to have zero knowledge or record of the previous visit. Then on my 3rd visit some systems kicked in that apply to people who have visited twice with the same issue, despite it being my third visit with the same issue.

At my surgery I can rarely see the same GP twice. When I am asked to go for follow up appointments they seemingly have no clue why they have asked me to go back. On one rare occasion I had a follow up appointment with the same GP as the initial appointment he literally went through the same appointment and tried to prescribe me the same drugs I was already on following the original appointment. Had to explain to him that this was the follow up appointment that he had requested.
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It’s shit, isn’t it. Still, Kier will sort it all out.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,748
amazing thread.

 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,749
Here's another image of that tunnel. Probably cost a bomb, the landscape isn't anything that's worth shouting about (might be improved by a nice train) and there is more damage done by the building equipment.

We are an absolute joke

 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,750
shmmeee said:
Cant see what you’re replying to, but assuming it’s a life on benefits. The answer is crime. They do crime.
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From your previous posts, I think we probably have childhood friends with similar issues and unfortunately, that's the reality of the situation.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,751
Philosoraptor said:
So, just to confirm, you will have fewer rights under Labour?
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Oh no I’ll lose my right to make everyone live in squalor and poverty ooooh nooooo
 

Nuskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,752
Liquid Gold said:
lol

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Just to add something on this.

The linesmen putting up the OLE on the Californian project mentioned are earning something like 10 grand a week (probably more, I think the rate of pay is >$100 per hour) I know someone that worked out there fitting a monitoring system on one of the lines, he said there were actually people that had to stop working because they had "earned to much money" (something to do with tax). Linesmen here earn something like £35 to £40k a year...
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,753
Nuskyblue said:
Just to add something on this.

The linesmen putting up the OLE on the Californian project mentioned are earning something like 10 grand a week (probably more, I think the rate of pay is >$100 per hour) I know someone that worked out there fitting a monitoring system on one of the lines, he said there were actually people that had to stop working because they had "earned to much money" (something to do with tax). Linesmen here earn something like £35 to £40k a year...
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Is it unionised out of interest?
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,754
shmmeee said:
Is it unionised out of interest?
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Pass. All I know is that they're all pickup driving rednecks.

From the way it was described to me it sounded like the project needed the labour so paid accordingly.

I should also say that the $100 an hour figure is probably the rate for working over night.

The trains there are still all running on dirty diesel I think. Waiting for the big switch on.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,755
Nuskyblue said:
Pass. All I know is that they're all pickup driving rednecks.

From the way it was described to me it sounded like the project needed the labour so paid accordingly.

I should also say that the $100 an hour figure is probably the rate for working over night.

The trains there are still all running on dirty diesel I think. Waiting for the big switch on.
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Been an absolute shitshow from start to finish, appalling cost control, initially driven by wanting it to be so fast which was totally unnecessary, to starting south to north as has been mentioned by many previously, to letting nimby and environmentalists add 100s millions/billions onto the bill.

That being said, it needs doing. If we want the country to grow in a way that will ultimately benefit everyone as well as be competitive and attractive globally, we need to become a lot better at delivering, especially on infrastructure. We’ve become a country of finding problems/negatives with everything rather than looking for the positives/solutions. It’s so frustrating as I still have faith in this country and the population by and large, it just feels like everything is stifled and clogged up
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,756
 
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Northants Sky Blue

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,757
David O'Day said:
Orgreave enquiry
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About fucking time. Thatcher's role needs exposing and the Met/S.Yorks have serious questions to answer
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,758
David O'Day said:
Genuine living wage with no age bands
Ban zero hours contracts
End fire and rehire
Basic job rights from day one
Strengthen trade union rights
Orgreave enquiry

Hello Comrade Starmer
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“slightly to the left of Hitler”
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,759
CCFCSteve said:
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This is quite funny considering his entire career is about making out his dad was some Uber masculine guy who hated his theatre son when his dad was also an actor and he changed his name from Grineau so he sounded more working class.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,760
Liquid Gold said:
Here's another image of that tunnel. Probably cost a bomb, the landscape isn't anything that's worth shouting about (might be improved by a nice train) and there is more damage done by the building equipment.

We are an absolute joke

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Do you know where that is and why a tunnel was agreed?
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,761
MalcSB said:
Do you know where that is and why a tunnel was agreed?
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It's Chipping Warden and "to protect the natural environment and reduce disruption for local communities".
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,762
MalcSB said:
Do you know where that is and why a tunnel was agreed?
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It was built to "blend the route with the local countryside"

Like a train track with occasional trains would have ruined it. It's NIMBY heaven.

Same bollocks the victorians had to deal with - BBC News - Riches, rail and revolt.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,763
GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!

 
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PVA

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,764
Ha that's great. I think some people really do underestimate the sheer level of disgust that a big chunk of the electorate feels torwads the Tories, and why they're fucked for a long time.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 13, 2024
  • #37,765
Would love to get this guy onto SBT

 
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