The more people become disillusioned, the more chance there is of someone like him becoming PM. I genuinely think it’s a possibility if the Tories decide to lurch even further to the right.
Expand on how that’s a lieA £40 billion black hole in their spending plans is a pretty big whopper
The more people become disillusioned, the more chance there is of someone like him becoming PM. I genuinely think it’s a possibility if the Tories decide to lurch even further to the right.
Agree with this. Would be a big mistake but they’re currently the party of self harm so wouldn’t shock me at all. Also by moving labour to centre left it makes it very difficult for Tories to operate in that centre space, especially after 14 years in government, so they might naturally edge further right…well, initially at least.
A £40 billion black hole in their spending plans is a pretty big whopper
They said all their plans were funded so if there’s a £40bn black hole, someone at HQ is either lying or terrible at maths.Expand on how that’s a lie
They said all their plans were funded so if there’s a £40bn black hole, someone at HQ is either lying or terrible at maths.
A £40 billion black hole in their spending plans is a pretty big whopper
Mordaunt is odds-on to lose her seat. It genuinely wouldn’t surprise me to see Farage stage a takeover of the tories if the polls get any worst for the tories. Gaffe after gaffe is gifting Labour an easy election.Think they’ll go full Labour 2015 and elect a head banger in opposition. All the moderates left under Johnson so don’t even need to go through that stage. Though people talk about Modaunt who is pretty centrist so will be interesting to see. Can’t see an obvious figure in the right but there’s plenty of nutters who will fancy a go.
Of course a big question is who will be left with a seat after this election.
There’s not. The £40bn figure makes some absolutely mental assumptions.
I hope you’re right but I have my doubts.I can’t see it. He’s too divisive. Johnson only won because he was up against Corbyn who was even more divisive and because Brexit was still in doubt. Any normal politician at a normal time would wipe the floor with them because of how our electoral system works. Ideologues don’t tend to get broad support across the country.
Mordaunt is odds-on to lose her seat. It genuinely wouldn’t surprise me to see Farage stage a takeover of the tories if the polls get any worst for the tories. Gaffe after gaffe is gifting Labour an easy election.
Yeah, not sure if it’s that high but pretty sure both have a hole during next Parliament unless cuts are made. Can’t see Labour cutting so they will have to find cash from tax rises
I reckon his plan is to try and get elected and then defect when the time is right. Unfortunately, I think he’ll get elected this time.There’s no mechanism by which he could take over the Tories and by all accounts he hates their guts. Unless he gets elected (big if considering his record) defects post election, and wins a leadership contest. Which is three quite unlikely scenarios.
I think he wants to be an AfD/PPV type
I hope you’re right but I have my doubts.
I reckon his plan is to try and get elected and then defect when the time is right. Unfortunately, I think he’ll get elected this time.
Ask tories how right wing the government is and the answer you’ll get is ‘they’re not’. Part of the reason Reform got to 13% in the polls is the perception that the government is basically ‘social democrat’.The more people become disillusioned, the more chance there is of someone like him becoming PM. I genuinely think it’s a possibility if the Tories decide to lurch even further to the right.
Agree with this. Would be a big mistake but they’re currently the party of self harm so wouldn’t shock me at all. Also by moving labour to centre left it makes it very difficult for Tories to operate in that centre space, especially after 14 years in government, so they might naturally edge further right…well, initially at least.
To be clear I mean he’d do it via the Tories rather than Reform.Reform don’t have the localised support or the ground campaign to win seats. He’s have to take over the Tories and I just can’t see it.
Reform don’t have the localised support or the ground campaign to win seats. He’s have to take over the Tories and I just can’t see it.
Ask tories how right wing the government is and the answer you’ll get is ‘they’re not’. Part of the reason Reform got to 13% in the polls is the perception that the government is basically ‘social democrat’.
I believe Sunak when he says he’s Thatcherite. The economic shocks of COVID and the war in Ukraine have provided unprecedented demands for government intervention and public expenditure. All which needs to be bought and paid for.
Why not? If he gets elected in Clacton there’s every chance. The Tory MPs will be reduced to a rump and he’s a character that is overwhelmingly popular among their membership.
Expand on how that’s a lie
That’s the fringes for you. People think Starmer and Blair are right wing.
Actually having to do things tends to lead to being quite centrist or being Liz Truss.
I really don’t think a mental party would last here like on the continent where coalitions mean you can graft some sense into the party to hide behind. Farage or similar gets in I think he’d fuck things up so bad people would forget entirely about immigration and as the Tories have shown even if you really want to be mean to migrants the reality of immigration tends to mean you can’t.
Im no Tarzan fan but he clocked Farage as Mosley reincarnate a looong time ago.
If the elections already won the next biggest fight is stopping him wining Clacton.
Blair economically accepted free markets and introduced market reforms in the public sector (education and healthcare) and achieved budget surpluses. So can see why the Labour left brands him ‘right wing’. Balanced that out with increases in welfare spending, so he’d fit in as a One Nation Tory in another lifetime.
This idea that you need to be centrist is true of the consensus we live in today. The Blair-Brown years established an era of consensus politics that’s probably coming to an end. Personally, I don’t think Labour will fix the issues around; healthcare, housing, economic growth or immigration. They at least deserve a shot at fixing it. We’re in for another era of stagflation akin to the 70s in my view.
From there, who knows what will happen? If Farage stages a hostile takeover or the Tories find their own answer will interesting.
If Labour can survive Corbyn, I think the Tories could survive Farage. The latter is actually a popular populist and Corbyn had net negative ratings from Day 1.I think it would be the end of the Tories if he did.
If Labour can survive Corbyn, I think the Tories could survive Farage. The latter is actually a popular populist and Corbyn had net negative ratings from Day 1.
Corbyn was a lot closer to your average Labour voter than Farage is to the average Tory.
I’m not calling it right wing, but balanced budgets are associated with ‘small government’ and you won’t get many on the left calling for budget surpluses.LOL at calling budget surplus right wing!
I’m not calling it right wing, but balanced budgets are associated with ‘small government’ and you won’t get many on the left calling for budget surpluses.
It’s contextual Shmmeee, who was calling Blair RW? Certainly not tories but the Labour left.
Two questions:Corbyn was a lot closer to your average Labour voter than Farage is to the average Tory.
We’re saying the same thing here.Exactly. The same as the people calling Sunak LW are the Tory right.
Two questions:
1) Why is Reform overtaking the tories in the polls?
2) Why is Farage so popular among Tory members?
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