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David O'Day

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,101
skybluetony176 said:
Sunak has had to start the day apologising for leaving the D Day event early to do an interview with ITV. How is he so bad at this? Who on earth is advising him?
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How can a tory leader fuck up d-day
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,102
skybluetony176 said:
Sunak has had to start the day apologising for leaving the D Day event early to do an interview with ITV. How is he so bad at this? Who on earth is advising him?
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Shambolic and embarrassing. As you say who the fuck is advising him but even so, he should know himself that some things are more important. Farage will have a field day
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,103
CCFCSteve said:
Shambolic and embarrassing. As you say who the fuck is advising him but even so, he should know himself that some things are more important. Farage will have a field day
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It gets worse


He’s got to be actively trying to lose his seat. It’s the only thing that makes sense. He’s going to be gutted if he retains it and that’s the most likely outcome.
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,104
skybluetony176 said:
Sunak has had to start the day apologising for leaving the D Day event early to do an interview with ITV. How is he so bad at this? Who on earth is advising him?
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Receives praise one day for his national service policy from a certain cohort of people, and next minute leaves the D-Day anniversary and upset the same people who praised him.

Starmer: Oh Sunak, can't you go five seconds without embarrassing yourself?

(pisses people off by leaving D-Day anniversary)

Sunak: How long was that?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,105
Are Johnson's campaign managers getting their revenge or something? D Day is meat and drink for a Tory PM - plays to their perceived strengths, mutter a couple of lines about support for armed forces, and it's an open goal for them!
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,106
skybluetony176 said:
He’s got to be actively trying to lose his seat. It’s the only thing that makes sense. He’s going to be gutted if he retains it and that’s the most likely outcome.
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Even if his advisors have for some reason all got it in for him and are advising things that make him look an idiots surely he can think for himself and overrule things that are so obviously going to cause a problem.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,107
He's so, so shit.

I don't know how it's possible to get the optics so wrong. On everything.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,108
Sounds like this is really blowing up. Sunak is having his Brown “that woman was a bigot” moment but on steroids. He’s now been forced to apologise. Coming up next, Sunak can’t eat a sandwich. We should have started a Sunak Bingo card when he announced the GE although I doubt anyone would have had leaving D Day celebrations early to do a TV interview.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,109
Sky Blue Pete said:
What is it that 1 in 5 see in Farage?

An arrogant liar born with a silver spoon in his mouth and who gives a shit about nothing and no one
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Farage is a one issue politician. He can run rings round mainstream politicians as he has an ability to maximise publicity and can engage people through force of personality. Its easy for him to cause mayhem.

Comparing him to the likes of Johnson and laughably Sunak is ridiculous.

The one real comparison is George Galloway - a highly skilled manipulator with one agenda which is to cause trouble for the mainstream parties. Alec Salmond was another.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,110
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,111
PVA said:
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the fact they sent out a minister that junior tells you how bad it is for them
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,112
Ashdown said:
According to the polls and a lot of political speculators Nigel is on the march big time !!
Sunak aka Will off the inbetweeners and SIR Keir are not cutting the mustard with the working classes
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Im not sure taking a few percentage points off the Tories is “on the march big time” lmao

Big “Green surge” vibes.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,113
skybluetony176 said:
It gets worse


He’s got to be actively trying to lose his seat. It’s the only thing that makes sense. He’s going to be gutted if he retains it and that’s the most likely outcome.
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I don’t think so. He’s just majorly out of touch with the real world.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,114

That's the Spectator saying that FFS!
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,115
PVA said:
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He posts on here
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,116
skybluetony176 said:
Who on earth is advising him?
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,117
Sick Boy said:
I don’t think so. He’s just majorly out of touch with the real world.
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I can't remember if they got this kind of scrutiny before, I'd suggest that they've had many ministers who hadn't a clue about the detail of anything but were allowed to pontificate anyway
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,118
Ashdown said:
According to the polls and a lot of political speculators Nigel is on the march big time !!
Sunak aka Will off the inbetweeners and SIR Keir are not cutting the mustard with the working classes
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Weird how they only show a few points more and that Labour are still massively ahead across all demographics apart from the over 75s
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,119
What is it the crazies say? “You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy”?

 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,120
shmmeee said:
What is it the crazies say? “You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy”?

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She probably thinks people with no drive should pay to park their car as well.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,121
shmmeee said:
What is it the crazies say? “You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy”?

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Germany and Italy have more statutory protections for tenants, minimum terms and limits to rent increases, and other rent controls in certain cases. Is the Tory saying these are a good idea?
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,122
shmmeee said:
What is it the crazies say? “You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy”?

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Pretty sure most people in Italy have houses passed down to them so renting is temporary. There’s not the need to sell the property to fund care as laws make families responsible for the care of relatives.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,123
shmmeee said:
What is it the crazies say? “You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy”?

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I don't think not owning your home is particularly a huge problem if you live somewhere that renting is the norm. The issue is how much you're paying to rent, the quality of the accommodation and what protection you have as a tenant.

Also impacts on pension requirements. You can't add a bit monthly cost on for people until the day they die when at present we work on the basis that the vast majority of pensioners will have no housing costs.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,124
Everything that wrong with our country. Save the green belt (a former quarry) from development (a film studio). Pathetic.

https://www.bucksherald.co.uk/business/marlow-film-studios-rejected-by-bucks-council-despite-support-from-world-famous-director-james-cameron-4651123
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,125
chiefdave said:
I don't think not owning your home is particularly a huge problem if you live somewhere that renting is the norm. The issue is how much you're paying to rent, the quality of the accommodation and what protection you have as a tenant.

Also impacts on pension requirements. You can't add a bit monthly cost on for people until the day they die when at present we work on the basis that the vast majority of pensioners will have no housing costs.
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Nail on the head.

When you see you are renting at a price, sometimes even higher, than some with a mortgage, it's hard not to feel like you're pissing money down the drain.

Renting is fine in the short term, with the long term plan being to earn enough monthly and for a deposit, to buy a house, but the cost of living and rent, it's a perfect storm for a hostile environment for new home owners.
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,126
As it stands, lack of rent control is simply creating a positive feedback loop that sees the housing market become saturated with multi-house landlords
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,127
Skybluekyle said:
When you see you are renting at a price, sometimes even higher, than some with a mortgage, it's hard not to feel like you're pissing money down the drain.
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I moved from renting a house in a piss poor condition to a mortgaged property in the same road. The mortgage was half the rent.

Even if you assume the rent on my old place hasn't gone up in the last few years when I renew my mortgage even at the much higher rates now it will still be less than I was paying in rent.

I struggled to get a mortgage as I kept being told the monthly payments were unaffordable

Edit: also worth adding I live in an area with zero student lets as they aren't suitable properties but it still took me over a year to find somewhere as the second anywhere came on the market it went to buy to let purchasers who would buy without even viewing. You can walk round where I live and pretty much work out which houses are owned and which are rented by the lack of basic maintenance on the rental properties.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,128

“We are proud of our support for veterans”

Meanwhile in unrelated news

Veteran homelessness in England rises by 14% despite promises of Johnny Mercer, Minister of State for Veterans’ Affairs - AOAV

Despite the UK government's commitment and an £8.8m housing fund, homelessness among armed forces veterans in England has increased by 14% in 2022-23.
aoav.org.uk
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,129
Just watch this!
Not so long ago, wife doesn't even have to work if they so wish!

 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,130
shmmeee said:
Maybe the play “debating” they do at Oxbridge. Not actual debate if you want to be enlightened and actually test people’s ideas.
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chiefdave said:
I moved from renting a house in a piss poor condition to a mortgaged property in the same road. The mortgage was half the rent.

Even if you assume the rent on my old place hasn't gone up in the last few years when I renew my mortgage even at the much higher rates now it will still be less than I was paying in rent.

I struggled to get a mortgage as I kept being told the monthly payments were unaffordable

Edit: also worth adding I live in an area with zero student lets as they aren't suitable properties but it still took me over a year to find somewhere as the second anywhere came on the market it went to buy to let purchasers who would buy without even viewing. You can walk round where I live and pretty much work out which houses are owned and which are rented by the lack of basic maintenance on the rental properties.
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Housing is a massive issue in the UK. My deposit for a house when I buy will be more than the property my mum bought in the mid-nineties. She worked at a pub and was a single parent.

Single-income middle class professionals can barely get on the property ladder, let alone people like my mum back then.

Even if Labour build 300,000 houses per year that they say they will, it’s still not enough to meet the growing demands. Bringing in top-down targets is what the Tories have tried and failed to meet targets.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,131
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Housing is a massive issue in the UK. My deposit for a house when I buy will be more than the property my mum bought in the mid-nineties. She worked at a pub and was a single parent.

Single-income middle class professionals can barely get on the property ladder, let alone people like my mum back then.

Even if Labour build 300,000 houses per year that they say they will, it’s still not enough to meet the growing demands. Bringing in top-down targets is what the Tories have tried and failed to meet targets.
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I heard the shadow housing minister on the radio today talking about how Labour is going to set about sorting the housing crisis.

One thing he didn't mention was House builders selling large swathes of new developments to large letting companies.
Surely that practice has to be ended if any progress is going to be made on this problem?
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,132
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Housing is a massive issue in the UK. My deposit for a house when I buy will be more than the property my mum bought in the mid-nineties. She worked at a pub and was a single parent.

Single-income middle class professionals can barely get on the property ladder, let alone people like my mum back then.

Even if Labour build 300,000 houses per year that they say they will, it’s still not enough to meet the growing demands. Bringing in top-down targets is what the Tories have tried and failed to meet targets.
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300,000 more poorly built rabbit hutches with barely any garden …..dug out on the green belt or flood plains , destroying yet more nature and bio diversity. Marvellous
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,133
skybluetony176 said:

“We are proud of our support for veterans”

Meanwhile in unrelated news

Veteran homelessness in England rises by 14% despite promises of Johnny Mercer, Minister of State for Veterans’ Affairs - AOAV

Despite the UK government's commitment and an £8.8m housing fund, homelessness among armed forces veterans in England has increased by 14% in 2022-23.
aoav.org.uk
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His demeanour there reminds me of Corbyn at his nadir in 2019
 

Johnnythespider

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  • Jun 7, 2024
  • #37,134
Sky Blue Pete said:
What is it that 1 in 5 see in Farage?

An arrogant liar born with a silver spoon in his mouth and who gives a shit about nothing and no one
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Just like Johnson
 
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
His demeanour there reminds me of Corbyn at his nadir in 2019
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And even Corbyn hung around for military commemorations!
 
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