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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Sky Blue Pete said:
What is it that 1 in 5 see in Farage?

An arrogant liar born with a silver spoon in his mouth and who gives a shit about nothing and no one
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Could be describing Johnson there too!
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Deleted member 5849 said:
Could be describing Johnson there too!
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That was more 2 in 5
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Sky Blue Pete said:
What is it that 1 in 5 see in Farage?

An arrogant liar born with a silver spoon in his mouth and who gives a shit about nothing and no one
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they want less immigration. He’s a single issue politician so they don’t have to engage with his more mental ideas.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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shmmeee said:
they want less immigration. He’s a single issue politician so they don’t have to engage with his more mental ideas.
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He enabled brexit that increased immigration
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Sky Blue Pete said:
He enabled brexit that increased immigration
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Yeah but he did it while being mean to brown people so that’s OK
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Can't be solely 'less immigration' anyway, as solely wanting less of those bloody foreigners, without any rationale as to why and what should be done instead would equal far more racists in this country than I think there are!
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Deleted member 5849 said:
Can't be solely 'less immigration' anyway, as solely wanting less of those bloody foreigners, without any rationale as to why and what should be done instead would equal far more racists in this country than I think there are!
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It’s the number 2 voter priority with 38% having it as their most important issue. So only about half of those are saying they’ll vote Farage.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 6, 2024
  • #37,003
Sky Blue Pete said:
What is it that 1 in 5 see in Farage?

An arrogant liar born with a silver spoon in his mouth and who gives a shit about nothing and no one
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Plays on fear and insecurity.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Not difficult really is it.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Ian1779 said:

Not difficult really is it.
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You can say anything when you know you won’t be elected and have to implement it.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Deleted member 5849 said:
Could be describing Johnson there too!
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And Sunak!
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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I just can't bring myself to vote for a party with such antisemitic candidates

 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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He’s a wanker isn’t he?
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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shmmeee said:
You can say anything when you know you won’t be elected and have to implement it.
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Because that would be so difficult to do….
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Ian1779 said:
Because that would be so difficult to do….
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Still true it’s easy to promise things when you don’t have to follow it through
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Sky Blue Pete said:
What is it that 1 in 5 see in Farage?

An arrogant liar born with a silver spoon in his mouth and who gives a shit about nothing and no one
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He against the elites!
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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clint van damme said:
He against the elites!
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Gosh if he’s not one of them I don’t know who is
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 6, 2024
  • #37,013
Sky Blue Pete said:
Still true it’s easy to promise things when you don’t have to follow it through
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It’s a two point plan with clear criteria.

Yet somehow you think the ‘growth’ vibes is a more coherent strategy?
 
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rob9872

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  • Jun 6, 2024
  • #37,014
Instead of just bashing Farage which is easy, what I want to see from the main parties is how they plan to combat subjects like immigration. If you say 1 in 5 support him, then what cab be offered to persuade that big chunk of people to lean in a different direction or engage with them to why they feel that is so important. Some won't change whatever, but a lot of those will be dissatisfied Labour or Conservative traditional voters.

Also, those more left leaning of you should if anything be encouraging it, because if they are largely protest votes and spilts in most cases the Conservative vote, that will give Labour even greater success.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Ian1779 said:
It’s a two point plan with clear criteria.

Yet somehow you think the ‘growth’ vibes is a more coherent strategy?
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Oh no honestly I don’t
I’m not sure what I’d be advising labour if I was in labour hq
Certainly not looking the anti semite to stand not sure id have allowed the Dover mp to move but it had good optics
We’ve got to get rid of these self serving tories and do I expect more from labour - yes but it’s awful starmer is seen as two sides of the same coin with Johnson truss sunak I’m happy he’s similar to may or major but I maybe naively believe he has far more fairness in his bones from his upbringing and parents than he still has pumping through his veins
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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rob9872 said:
Instead of just bashing Farage which is easy, what I want to see from the main parties is how they plan to combat subjects like immigration. If you say 1 in 5 support him, then what cab be offered to persuade that big chunk of people to lean in a different direction or engage with them to why they feel that is so important. Some won't change whatever, but a lot of those will be dissatisfied Labour or Conservative traditional voters.

Also, those more left leaning of you should if anything be encouraging it, because if they are largely protest votes and spilts in most cases the Conservative vote, that will give Labour even greater success.
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Fair challenge and yes absolutely splitting the Tory vote will help but it’s just staggers me that he gets the support of 1 in 5 given who he is and what he stands for
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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rob9872 said:
Instead of just bashing Farage which is easy, what I want to see from the main parties is how they plan to combat subjects like immigration. If you say 1 in 5 support him, then what cab be offered to persuade that big chunk of people to lean in a different direction or engage with them to why they feel that is so important. Some won't change whatever, but a lot of those will be dissatisfied Labour or Conservative traditional voters.

Also, those more left leaning of you should if anything be encouraging it, because if they are largely protest votes and spilts in most cases the Conservative vote, that will give Labour even greater success.
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there’s nothing that can be done because it isn’t a coherent complaint. It’s all based on vibes as Mac’s admitted earlier in the thread. There’s a belief there’s hundreds of thousands of “illegals” when the actual problem is we need huge amounts of health and social care staff. The only things higher than immigration in voters concerns are the two things massively reducing immigration would instafuck: the economy and the NHS. So there’s no electoral benefit and no route to a majority copying Farage. Fringe parties that will never be elected like Reform Greens Lib Dems know they can make nonsense policy up and never have to follow through.

And I absolutely support Reform standing. I hope they get more seats than the Tories.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Sky Blue Pete said:
Gosh if he’s not one of them I don’t know who is
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Ditto Johnson. How they get seen as anti-establishment is incredible.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Sky Blue Pete said:
Fair challenge and yes absolutely splitting the Tory vote will help but it’s just staggers me that he gets the support of 1 in 5 given who he is and what he stands for
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He's failed everytime He's put himself before the electorate.
He's doing to Reform exactly what he did to UKIP, just ask Alan Sked!
 

torchomatic

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  • Jun 6, 2024
  • #37,020
clint van damme said:
I'm normally not fussed either way about votes for 16 year old but would like to see it introduced as a fuck you to the tories after they introduced voter ID which is a scandalous attempt to suppress voting amongst a certain demographic in the electorat.
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Yeah, this has really pissed me off. MY son has just turned 18 and can't vote as he doesn't have a DL - he doesn't have the co-ordination to drive - or a passport (our fault that), so no photo ID. The cases or election fraud are teeny tiny. They just introduced legislation to stop young people voting for Labour.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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torchomatic said:
Yeah, this has really pissed me off. MY son has just turned 18 and can't vote as he doesn't have a DL - he doesn't have the co-ordination to drive - or a passport (our fault that), so no photo ID. The cases or election fraud are teeny tiny. They just introduced legislation to stop young people voting for Labour.
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Far bigger problem with MPs committing sexual assaults and fraud though no legislation for that strangely enough.
 
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SkyBlueMatt

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Northants Sky Blue

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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clint van damme said:
He's failed everytime He's put himself before the electorate.
He's doing to Reform exactly what he did to UKIP, just ask Alan Sked!
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May well be 8th time lucky for frog-face.

How much of his own money has he pumped into this 30 year long ego trip?

I guess its now paying dividends with all the whelks donating. Plus of course Bannon in the background pulling his strings
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Getting to be an existential crisis for the tories now

Interestingly the way reform and tory votes are distributed this likely makes Ed Davey LOTO.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Northants Sky Blue said:
May well be 8th time lucky for frog-face.

How much of his own money has he pumped into this 30 year long ego trip?

I guess its now paying dividends with all the whelks donating. Plus of course Bannon in the background pulling his strings
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He’s been bankrolled by Aaron Banks for the most part including accommodation and chauffeur driven cars.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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David O'Day said:

Getting to be an existential crisis for the tories now

Interestingly the way reform and tory votes are distributed this likely makes Ed Davey LOTO.
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When it comes to it, expect a load of those Reform to turn back Tory
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Sky Blue Pete said:
What is it that 1 in 5 see in Farage?

An arrogant liar born with a silver spoon in his mouth and who gives a shit about nothing and no one
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Man of the people

To be fair, as well as obviously playing on people’s fears, he’s a very good communicator, even if the substance behind it is questionable

I’m not sure Sunak and Starmer, or a lot of politicians, have that ability to connect with normal people. Starmer made sure he’s got some good communicators is his shadow cabinet though. It shouldn’t be as important as it is but in this day and age it’s essential
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Northants Sky Blue said:
May well be 8th time lucky for frog-face.

How much of his own money has he pumped into this 30 year long ego trip?

I guess it’s now paying dividends with all the whelks donating. Plus of course Bannon in the background pulling his strings
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Let’s not forget the huge amounts of cash he got as an MEP
 
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skybluetony176

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Deleted member 5849 said:
When it comes to it, expect a load of those Reform to turn back Tory
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Even then I wouldn’t be surprised if a deal is done with the Tories post election that means Reform MP’s become Tories. I don’t think it would be a merger as such, more an agreement to defect and then close the Reform Party. Especially if it’s the difference between Tories being in opposition or the Lib Dem’s being in opposition. Even more especially if Farage is elected to parliament.
 

torchomatic

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  • Jun 6, 2024
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Unrelated, but roughly when do polling cards tend to arrive? 99% certain we’re registered but still.
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Ours arrived today.
 
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