shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Even that was full of silly legal challenges. Euston alone was something like £500m in legal costs for land purchases.
I haven't checked, (and can't be arsed to) but as its 2018 figures, I'd wager a big chunk of that spend was buying up land for HS2.......
And the winner of the award for the most swivelled eye response goes to…Why don’t we let 14 year olds vote then?
For me the tax argument is more for those who are foreign but live, work and pay taxes in the country. Why should I be able to vote in UK but someone who actually lives and pays taxes there can’t?The tax argument is always a little weird. Should the people who are net beneficiaries of the tax system not get a vote either?
It’s 18 cos that’s the age of majority. No need for other arguments. I can’t join the Army at 43, should I lose my vote?
And the winner of the award for the most swivelled eye response goes to…
why DoNt wE LeT 14 yEaR oLdS vOtE tHeN.
For me the tax argument is more for those who are foreign but live, work and pay taxes in the country. Why should I be able to vote in UK but someone who actually lives and pays taxes there can’t?
Germany and BelgiumBut then anyone who lives in the uk and doesn’t pay taxes I assume should be excluded regardless of age?
They can in council elections but not general elections. Which is stupid. Problem for many born overseas is the cost of getting your UK citizenship with the only real benefit being to vote in the GE. I know someone very well who can’t vote in a general election living in the UK from about 18 months of age (they’re now 45), had all their education in the UK, only speaks English, has one English parent and even works for the government but doesn’t qualify to vote in a GE unless they get UK citizenship. She qualifies automatically because her mother is English so her entitlement isn’t even in question but last time they looked it was about £6K. Her sister who is 3 years younger than her but born in England to the same parents gets a vote in the GE.For me the tax argument is more for those who are foreign but live, work and pay taxes in the country. Why should I be able to vote in UK but someone who actually lives and pays taxes there can’t?
Oooo look over there.Not really Tony
You often refer to Eu and its countries of positive examples so who in those counties allows a vote at 16?
EU elections only, which I don’t bother doing. I pay both business and personal tax, so think I should have the right to vote.They can in council elections but not general elections. Which is stupid. Problem for many born overseas is the cost of getting your UK citizenship with the only real benefit being to vote in the GE. I know someone very well who can’t vote in a general election living in the UK from about 18 months of age (they’re now 45), had all their education in the UK, only speaks English, has one English parent and even works for the government but doesn’t qualify to vote in a GE unless they get UK citizenship. She qualifies automatically because her mother is English so her entitlement isn’t even in question but last time they looked it was about £6K. Her sister who is 3 years younger than her but born in England to the same parents gets a vote in the GE.
Out of interest what voting rights do you get in Italy as an immigrant?
Not even local elections?EU elections only, which I don’t bother doing. I pay both business and personal tax, so think I should have the right to vote.
For me the tax argument is more for those who are foreign but live, work and pay taxes in the country. Why should I be able to vote in UK but someone who actually lives and pays taxes there can’t?
What about if you got Italian citizenship? I know you don’t technically need it being Irish but presumably then you’d be free to vote in all Italian elections?EU elections only, which I don’t bother doing. I pay both business and personal tax, so think I should have the right to vote.
They ought to throw the book at the stupid cow. No respect anymore for police or politicians, whether you think they talk twaddle or not. Minor incidents like these are security flaws and in the light of both Tory and Labour politicians being murdered the law needs to stamp on twats like her !1 day and Farage has already had a pint thrown in his face.
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Banana by the looks of it.That’s a milkshake not a pint isn’t it? Doesn’t look like a pint glass.
Banana by the looks of it.
It's a drink fella, calm down.They ought to throw the book at the stupid cow. No respect anymore for police or politicians, whether you think they talk twaddle or not. Minor incidents like these are security flaws and in the light of both Tory and Labour politicians being murdered the law needs to stamp on twats like her !
I see Farage has got a few people rattled across the country and in this thread.
The next few weeks are going to be fun.
Red wall Tories especially. The excellent Dan Hodges is preempting defections to Reform from the Red wall Tories.I see Farage has got a few people rattled across the country and in this thread.
The next few weeks are going to be fun.
This time, but letting some attention seeker that close is appalling. I know it would delight some but, it could have been acid. As I say, its just another symptom of a growing lack of respect.It's a drink fella, calm down.
He clearly means personal tax, ie they’re living and working in said country legally. Not VAT on anything you might purchase on holiday. Why do people keep jumping to extremes that no one meant in the first place as the line of defence. It’s moronic.“I pay tax so should vote” I really disagree with though. Holiday makers pay tax. Corporations pay tax. Babies pay tax. Paying tax means fuck all.
Ironically he was hate preaching about school teachers not five minutes before the attack. 1 in 5 school teachers are assaulted a year on average. Maybe if he displayed some respect for for others who are far more vulnerable to personal attacks than he is people might have a bit more sympathy for him.This time, but letting some attention seeker that close is appalling. I know it would delight some but, it could have been acid. As I say, its just another symptom of a growing lack of respect.
The most rattled person seems to be Farage when any journalist dares to ask him a question.I see Farage has got a few people rattled across the country and in this thread.
Red wall Tories especially. The excellent Dan Hodges is preempting defections to Reform from the Red wall Tories.
If you live and work in that country you're contributing towards it and deserve to have a say.“I pay tax so should vote” I really disagree with though. Holiday makers pay tax. Corporations pay tax. Babies pay tax. Paying tax means fuck all.
Yeah, to be clear, I mean someone who's a permanent resident.I’ll defer to the missus who can’t vote on this “I don’t feel like I should until I’m a citizen”.
I agree with you though. If you’ve got settled status (or whatever it’s called) that should be it.
I'm entitled to it and will probably apply within the next year. I think the cost is a couple of hundred Euro in total and I need to do a language test, which is all straightforward - it's then around a 3 year wait.What about if you got Italian citizenship? I know you don’t technically need it being Irish but presumably then you’d be free to vote in all Italian elections?
What would be the financial cost? Presumably you could have dual nationality with Ireland so won’t lose your Irish citizenship and passport?
Because they have no experience of life and the area of the brain responsible for judgement literally has not formed fully yet. If a 16 year old can’t be trusted to sell me a lottery ticket when I am clearly old enough, they can’t be trusted with a voteOn the other hand they can work full time, why shouldn't they be able to vote?
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