I'm only a year older and left in 2008, but I was going on 21 when I started. I left school at 16 with only a couple of GSCEs and needed more or less top marks at A-Level in all 3 subjects to get in...it's still the thing I'm most proud of doing, to be honest. It was still difficult though, I ended up getting a train to Cov at 6am the day after Fresher's Week finished to get away from it all.She's 38 now but didn't decide to go to Uni until she was 22 so 2008 was her first year,she did a 4 year degree because she elected to go to a uni in America for her third year.
Is that far right? Is it really immoral, can’t tell if it’s ineffective without actually sending some people there.No but we have seen what far right looks like ie the Rwanda scheme and it's not just immoral, probably illegal but also expensive and ineffective.
If 100s of thousands of people were landing in the UK each year, I doubt you'd say the same thing.They have no need to. Refugee status is a question of need due to persecution, fear for life, it’s not a question of wants or preferences- get to Europe and they are safe.
So how where do we get the doctors, nurses and social care workers we need without immigration?Not all immigrants go into the NHS. In fact, our reliance on migrant healthcare workers is a result of failures in policy elsewhere e.g. caps on uni places and stagnant wages in the NHS.
As for cultural factors, we want people to assimilate and share values of openness, religious/political freedom and so on.
Who are you to judge where a potential refugee may feel safe?They have no need to. Refugee status is a question of need due to persecution, fear for life, it’s not a question of wants or preferences- get to Europe and they are safe.
Who would still vote Labour if they openly supported that policy?So how where do we get the doctor's, nurses and social care workers we need without immigration?
You say we want political freedom but appear to support rounding up of asylum seekers and their deportation to an African country apparently contrary to international law.
Did you read what I was responding to, there is no need for people to come to UK to escape persecution, they are safein Europe. They do not arrive here directly from their country of origin.If 100s of thousands of people were landing in the UK each year, I doubt you'd say the same thing.
I understood it, but as I said, the language will always draw people and the opportunities to work illegally, plus a lot of them probably have family or friends in the UK.Did you
Did you read what I was responding to, there is no need for people to come to UK to escape persecution, they are safein Europe. They do not arrive here directly from their country of origin.
Refugees / asylum seekers claim to be unsafe in their country of origin. No one is unsafe in a Western European country.Who are you to judge where a potential refugee may feel safe?
I couldn't vote for any party that did.I
Who would still vote Labour if they openly supported that policy?
That doesn’t mean they should be Allowed to come here. We are a small country.I understood it, but as I said, the language will always draw people and the opportunities to work illegally, plus a lot of them probably have family or friends in the UK.
No proper Labour voters I should think.Who would still vote Labour if they openly supported that policy?
Again, how exactly do you determine that? You can’t speak for the safety of 30 other countries.Refugees / asylum seekers claim to be unsafe in their country of origin. No one is unsafe in a Western European country.
Add Trotsky and er, Len McCluskey to the ever growing list of socialists opposed to immigration.Well no but you are I’m afraid talking nonsense. Marx opposed migration. The Lenin inspired revolution opposed it. Gueverra was a hideous racist.
You are not a socialist and in the end anti capitalist ideology is protectionist and values non democratic means of governance
Hahahaha
Damn straightWhat I find really sad is that a tolerant, fair minded country discharges its obligations to the oppressed, the abused, and the persecuted of this world.
That's not my Britain.
You're doing the same as Grendel. Just picking out individual left wing politicians, who aren't necessarily socialists anyway, saying they prove that socialism is intrinsically anti immigration. It was not conceived as such as an ideology. And there were early socialists who were very much internationalists.Add Trotsky and er, Len McCluskey to the ever growing list of socialists opposed to immigration.
And economic migrants?What I find really sad is that a tolerant, fair minded country discharges its obligations to the oppressed, the abused, and the persecuted of this world.
That's not my Britain.
Furthermore as a country we choose to support/engage in military action across the globe. Whether you support or oppose this position is one thing, but we should be accepting of the fact that people will be displaced as a result, and we have a moral responsibility to provide shelter for them.What I find really sad is that a tolerant, fair minded country discharges its obligations to the oppressed, the abused, and the persecuted of this world.
That's not my Britain.
How many EU countries would you define as unsafe or less safe than the UK?Again, how exactly do you determine that? You can’t speak for the safety of 30 other countries.
Many of the asylum seekers are fleeing the Taliban as we abandoned them following our botched withdrawal.Furthermore as a country we choose to support/engage in military action across the globe. Whether you support or oppose this position is one thing, but we should be accepting of the fact that people will be displaced as a result, and we have a moral responsibility to provide shelter for them.
And economic migrants?
Why shouldn't we take our fair share?How many EU countries would you define as unsafe or less safe than the UK?
What military action are we currently engaged in?Furthermore as a country we choose to support/engage in military action across the globe. Whether you support or oppose this position is one thing, but we should be accepting of the fact that people will be displaced as a result, and we have a moral responsibility to provide shelter for them.
Surely it’s some, not many.Many of the asylum seekers are fleeing the Taliban as we abandoned them following our botched withdrawal.
Especially when we have often been the reason for that being the case like waging wars in the Middle East."An economic migrant is someone who emigrates from one region to another, including crossing international borders, seeking an improved standard of living, because the conditions or job opportunities in the migrant's own region are insufficient."
Oh no. The horror. How dare they.
Great achievement Sick Boy your reaping the rewards nowI'm only a year older and left in 2008, but I was going on 21 when I started. I left school at 16 with only a couple of GSCEs and needed more or less top marks at A-Level in all 3 subjects to get in...it's still the thing I'm most proud of doing, to be honest. It was still difficult though, I ended up getting a train to Cov at 6am the day after Fresher's Week finished to get away from it all.
Define fair share. We are an incredibly small and crowded country compared to, for example, France.Why shouldn't we take our fair share?
We pulled out of Afghanistan leaving thousands of people who had supported us to their plight under the Taliban.What
What military action are we currently engaged in?
We take a fraction compared to countries like Germany, Greece and Italy.Define fair share. We are an incredibly small and crowded country compared to, for example, France.
Economic migrants are not entitled to settle elsewhere Illegally."An economic migrant is someone who emigrates from one region to another, including crossing international borders, seeking an improved standard of living, because the conditions or job opportunities in the migrant's own region are insufficient."
Oh no. The horror. How dare they.
So how where do we get the doctors, nurses and social care workers we need without immigration?
You say we want political freedom but appear to support rounding up of asylum seekers and their deportation to an African country apparently contrary to international law.
There's a lot straying from the path though don't you think, Herts?You're doing the same as Grendel. Just picking out individual left wing politicians, who aren't necessarily socialists anyway, saying they prove that socialism is intrinsically anti immigration. It was not conceived as such as an ideology. And there were early socialists who were very much internationalists.
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