nicksar
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The 2nd paragraph of the post is absolutely spot on,I see it daily on here...and also see it with the two of my children that attended University.
The 2nd paragraph of the post is absolutely spot on,I see it daily on here...and also see it with the two of my children that attended University.Disagree. And 50% of school leavers don’t go to uni, it’s more like 30% but 50% of adults (I think) do over their lifetime.
But uni shouldn’t be to get you a job and that’s not why the wealthy send their kids to it (for all his bluster I guarantee Sunak kids will all go). It should be to train you in higher level thinking which applies anywhere.
Business needs to be better at picking up grads and non grads and moulding them into productive workers.
Problem is that now we don’t have long term employment there’s less incentive to do so. Not sure how you square that circle. Government is too slow to be reactive to market needs and business needs guarantees they aren’t wasting cash on someone who won’t pay it back.
I am also part of the electorate and I do think immigration is an issue.I am part of the electorate and I don't believe immigration is an issue. The electorate isn't just Daily Mail/Express readers you ueknow. It has just been weaponised by the Tories to create a scapegoat for their failings in running the country. Virtually all studies have shown immigrants create more wealth for the country than they take out. And the NHS and social care in particular would be decimated without immigration.
OK tell me how Farage's differ from the Groups you mention in Germany and Italy. I guess you support the Rwanda policy? Tell me how that differs from the National Front's central policy in the 1980s.
Brexit simply has not been fully or properly implemented, we can still blame some stuff on Europe.Farage does want fewer immigrants, but not too many fewer as otherwise he would have no one to scapegoat, and thus no point.
It's like when Brexit happened the Tories could no longer blame our shortcomings on Europe, so it all falls to them now.
You think the origins of socialism were in 1980s Britain?When was it - certainly not in 1980’s Britain!
He's shared a platform with and endorsed AfD in the past.
Socialism was originally an internationalist movement. In this country there are elements of the left who see it more in terms of protectionism and isolationism, so that is why I used the word intrinsic.
You think the origins of socialism were in 1980s Britain?
I am sure Farage supports the recent round up of immigrants and proposed deportations to Rwanda, and I understand he would argue that doesn't go far enough.The AfD has appeared to become increasingly radical since 2019 who appear to have met with neo-Nazi groups to plan mass deportations and so on.
Corbyn shared platforms with ‘friends’ in Hamas and the IRA - would you describe him as a sympathiser or supporter?
Why have socialist and communist governments produced some of the most closed societies in history?
I am sure Farage supports the recent round up of immigrants and proposed deportations to Rwanda, and I understand he would argue that doesn't go far enough.
Now you seem to have a problem with the word intrinsic.
I am sure Farage supports the recent round up of immigrants and proposed deportations to Rwanda, and I understand he would argue that doesn't go far enough.
Now you seem to have a problem with the word intrinsic.
Socialism was originally an internationalist movement. In this country there are elements of the left who see it more in terms of protectionism and isolationism, so that is why I used the word intrinsic.
I am not aware of ever claiming to be socialist, but clearly I know a lot more about it than you do.Well no but you are I’m afraid talking nonsense. Marx opposed migration. The Lenin inspired revolution opposed it. Gueverra was a hideous racist.
You are not a socialist and in the end anti capitalist ideology is protectionist and values non democratic means of governance
It's inevitable that people will travel to the UK due to the language and family. The number of people landing in the UK compared to countries like Italy is nothing at all.I am also part of the electorate and I do think immigration is an issue.
Something needs to be done about illegal immigration in the immediate short term Anyone who has reached Europe does not need to come to the UK to be safe.
Legal immigration needs to be addressed in the medium to long term. Why do we need to import healthcare workers? At the high skills end, restricting numbers of medical school places is madness, the limit should be the number of people academically good enough to successfully complete the course.
No it doesn't.Socialism intrinsically opposes migration. Show examples where it doesn’t.
I am not aware of ever claiming to be socialist, but clearly I know a lot more about it than you do.
No it doesn't.
No but we have seen what far right looks like ie the Rwanda scheme and it's not just immoral, probably illegal but also expensive and ineffective.No, I understand what intrinsic mean. The problem is, you talk as if we haven’t seen what ‘far left’ policies in practice look like.
I went to a very (left-wing) London-centric south coast university with mostly privately educated students...I'd never seen anything like it. To be honest, I found it very difficult at first but I think overall it left me in a better place for going and probably made me a better person.Disagree. And 50% of school leavers don’t go to uni, it’s more like 30% but 50% of adults (I think) do over their lifetime.
But uni shouldn’t be to get you a job and that’s not why the wealthy send their kids to it (for all his bluster I guarantee Sunak kids will all go). It should be to train you in higher level thinking which applies anywhere.
Business needs to be better at picking up grads and non grads and moulding them into productive workers.
Problem is that now we don’t have long term employment there’s less incentive to do so. Not sure how you square that circle. Government is too slow to be reactive to market needs and business needs guarantees they aren’t wasting cash on someone who won’t pay it back.
No but we have seen what far right looks like ie the Rwanda scheme and it's not just immoral, probably illegal but also expensive and ineffective.
This is tiresome. I was talking about an ideology but you keep bringing it back to examples. Surely you understand the difference?Examples please.
This is tiresome. I was talking about an ideology but you keep bringing it back to examples. Surely you understand the difference?
Yeah we want all workers liberated, the question is what do we do before then?
Practically though if you implement socialism with open borders it can’t work in a single country. Let’s say we brought UBI in and had no immigration controls for example.
The answer is “well make every other country just as rich/socialist”, but that’s classic left wing “well I wouldn’t start from here”ism.
Which Uni?...my eldest daughter went to Sussex and experienced exactly the same thing re privately educated students.I went to a very (left-wing) London-centric south coast university with mostly privately educated students...I'd never seen anything like it. To be honest, I found it very difficult at first but I think overall it left me in a better place for going and probably made me a better person.
It made zero difference for my job though.
Have a read.Who created the socialist ideology?
Australia inspired the Rwanda policy. Would you say Australia is run by a ‘far right’ Labor government?No but we have seen what far right looks like ie the Rwanda scheme and it's not just immoral, probably illegal but also expensive and ineffective.
Have a read.
We need immigrants in the NHS.The societal impact of importing 750k people is a huge. There’s housing, education and the NHS to consider as well as infrustructure like public transport and roads. That’s without considering cultural factors like social cohesion and so on.
I’m not saying this because of our previous topics of convo…
Spot on! I ended up enjoying it, but the first few months were very difficult.Which Uni?...my eldest daughter went to Sussex and experienced exactly the same thing re privately educated students.
I'm guessing Sussex because I recall you love Brighton as does my daughter.
The AfD has appeared to become increasingly radical since 2019 who appear to have met with neo-Nazi groups to plan mass deportations and so on.
Corbyn shared platforms with ‘friends’ in Hamas and the IRA - would you describe him as a sympathiser or supporter?
Why have socialist and communist governments produced some of the most closed societies in history?
I am not your teacheroh dear
She's 38 now but didn't decide to go to Uni until she was 22 so 2008 was her first year,she did a 4 year degree because she elected to go to a uni in America for her third year.Spot on! I ended up enjoying it, but the first few months were very difficult.
When did she go?
I am not your teacher
So Blair and Brown intrinsically weren’t Socialists?Socialism intrinsically opposes migration. Show examples where it doesn’t.
We need immigrants in the NHS.
'Cultural factors'? Please explain.
They have no need to. Refugee status is a question of need due to persecution, fear for life, it’s not a question of wants or preferences- get to Europe and they are safe.It's inevitable that people will travel to the UK due to the language and family. The number of people landing in the UK compared to countries like Italy is nothing at all.
You may think I am wrong but I am not. Socialism is not intrinsically anti immigration. It started as an internationalist movement. I am not going to give you a history lesson on it.Sorry everyone thinks you are wrong. It’s down to you to provide evidence to the contrary.
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