I am talking about ring fenced funding for the soon to drop off the register tbf?
I am talking about ring fenced funding for the soon to drop off the register tbf?Why? Because the post I quoted stated the finding for the NHS had been reduced, the opposite is true. The funding hasn’t kept up with inflation - it’s not the same.
I got a 3% pay raise the year inflation was at 10%. My pay wasn’t reduced by 7%.
Okay fellaNot sure I take Starmer saying 'no decision had been taken' as the green light for Abbot to stand given that he's been saying for months that no decision had yet been made with regard to her returning to the party and that's turned out to not exactly be true
Just asked my daughter, she said 11 out of 30 in her year (8) are being taken out and are looking for state schools. Amazed, I thought she would say 3 or 4.
Where’s that?Just asked my daughter, she said 11 out of 30 in her year (8) are being taken out and are looking for state schools. Amazed, I thought she would say 3 or 4.
HantsWhere’s that?
Nope, you and your daughter are wrong. @skybluetony176 says the impact will be a % of a percentage.
That £88,000 that’s cost the taxpayer versus a VAT tax take of £57,000 for the remainder of the class. That’s a net gain of -£31,000…
Why? Because the post I quoted stated the finding for the NHS had been reduced, the opposite is true. The funding hasn’t kept up with inflation - it’s not the same.
I got a 3% pay raise the year inflation was at 10%. My pay wasn’t reduced by 7%.
La la landWhere’s that?
Of the sub continent and Dubai I heard on a radio chat show I heard!All those saved school fees can be spent in the real economy I presume
Your pay has reduced in real terms.
TwatLa la land
It's VAT... its a value added tax.
Of course it should be applied to the sales of private education to the sharp- elbowed, well-heeled and pushy parent types...even if its just purely out of principle.
It's VAT... its a value added tax.
Of course it should be applied to the sales of private education to the sharp- elbowed, well-heeled and pushy parent types...even if its just purely out of principle.
Yep completely agreeIt's VAT... its a value added tax.
Of course it should be applied to the sales of private education to the sharp- elbowed, well-heeled and pushy parent types...even if its just purely out of principle.
No it’s about social justiceThe principle being envy.
Nope, you and your daughter are wrong. @skybluetony176 says the impact will be a % of a percentage.
That’s an £88,000 cost the taxpayer versus a VAT tax take of £57,000 for the remainder of the class. That’s a net gain of -£31,000…
At least I'm not some saddo making up horseshit about my kids school....Twat
The principle being envy.
By making private education more unaffordable for upper working and middle class families? If anything, a policy should be looking to make private education more affordable or accessible for working class families.No it’s about social justice
At least I'm not some saddo making up horseshit about my kids school....
And that assumes none of the funds ‘saved’ get spent on VATable goods/services. The tax system isn’t quite as linear as you think.
I have friends who took their 2 kids out of private school when their energy bills doubled, their weekly shop went up 30% over the course of a few months and then their mortgage payments went through the roof. No one was blaming government policy for that. Maybe if the government didn’t crash the economy, didn’t side with energy companies and their profits over affordable energy for the masses their kids would still be in private education.
It’s bollocks that VAT was the straw that broke the camels back against a backdrop of the cost of living crisis mostly caused by incompetence in government. Anyone tells you different they’re blowing smoke up your ass.
At least I'm not some saddo making up horseshit about my kids school....
Couldn't be further from the truth pal. I wouldn't send my kids to a private school even if you paid me the fees....
Oh wellBy making private education more unaffordable for upper working and middle class families? If anything, a policy should be looking to make private education more affordable or accessible for working class families.
If @SIR ERNIE’s case study is replicated up and down the country, it’s a policy that’ll cost us taxpayers. The more independent schools close, the more state school places are needed.
That doesn’t improve the state sector which is the purpose of the policy. This policy doesn’t impact the kinds of people who go to public schools like Eaton, Rugby, Cheltenham and so on.
Social justice is a principle that sounds well and good. Ask yourself this, are you driven more by your envy of the rich or by your desire to help the poor?
Coming across this question was truly thought provoking and after a while, I came to realise my answer was envy rather than altruism.
In one sentence, I’ve more or less described my journey from enthusiastic Corbynista and Labour member to small ‘c’ conservative.
It is not about banning the option but there should be high taxation on it.
Oh well
Mine is still social justice about looking for equity in all things rather than money that has not been earned being used to subvert opportunity
It’s not just energy though is it. Food bills up something like 30% over 18 months. That isn’t going down, inflation might be coming down but prices don’t, they just don’t go up as fast so that 30% will always be that 30% uplift. It was actually their mortgage hike that broke them. It doesn’t matter if you’re on £30K a year or £200k a year, that’s fucked up a wide scope of working people. Yes they earned a good income but they also had a sizeable mortgage that like most people they never envisioned being in a position where they couldn’t afford to pay it bar them both loosing their jobs. They were left with a very clear choice, pay the mortgage or pay the VAT exempt school fees. Some people are clearly going to have some tough decisions to make but it will be based on a combination of things. They don’t live in a vacuum their energy bills, mortgage, weekly shop have all skyrocketed and political choices by the government has contributed to all those things. Every one has to live within their means.You may have missed the point…
Well, £3,000 per child, per year is a steeper increase than the energy bills. It’s a 5-7 year commitment for most families if it’s just secondary school.
It’s not just energy though is it. Food bills up something like 30% over 18 months. That isn’t going down, inflation might be coming down but prices don’t, they just don’t go up as fast so that 30% will always be that 30% uplift. It was actually their mortgage hike that broke them. It doesn’t matter if you’re on £30K a year or £200k a year, that’s fucked up a wide scope of working people. Yes they earned a good income but they also had a sizeable mortgage that like most people they never envisioned being in a position where they couldn’t afford to pay it bar them both loosing their jobs. They were left with a very clear choice, pay the mortgage or pay the VAT exempt school fees. Some people are clearly going to have some tough decisions to make but it will be based on a combination of things. They don’t live in a vacuum their energy bills, mortgage, weekly shop have all skyrocketed and political choices by the government has contributed to all those things. Every one has to live within their means.
I’m not contradicting anything. Any one making the argument for not putting VAT on private school fees put all the onus on VAT being the straw that broke the camels back with putting no weight on the cost of living crisis facing all working families including those that send their kids to private school.I don’t disagree at all.
You’re making this argument whilst simultaneously holding the view that this VAT increase won’t force people out private education.
To put one child through private education you’re looking at £3k per year. Secondary school is between 5-7 years so that’s a commitment of £15-21k per child in VAT alone. Thats without factoring in price increases from the schools themselves. This is a lot more than the factors you just mentioned - probably combined without doing the maths.
To me, it seems like you’re contradicting yourself here.
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