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David O'Day

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,501
Brighton Sky Blue said:
As said before conflating Israel with Jews breaks one of the anti-Semitism guidelines
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Aye that is against the IHRA guidelines.

It is textbook AS to equate the actions of the state of Israel with being Jewish

Also the amount of people who didn't give a rats about AS 3 years ago that seem to have done a 180 is mad.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,502
Imagine a bunch of white British people kicking all the Muslims out of Bradford or all the Jews out of Golders Green because “our ancestors were here first” then tell me you’d support that.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,503
David O'Day said:
Aye that is against the IHRA guidelines.

It is textbook AS to equate the actions of the state of Israel with being Jewish

Also the amount of people who didn't give a rats about AS 3 years ago that seem to have done a 180 is mad.
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Racism isn’t about equality any more, just beating your political opponents over their head.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,504
Evo1883 said:
Roughly 47% of the world's Jewish population are in Israel .
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Read the IHRA guidelines and get back to me
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,505
skybluetony176 said:
The Romans invaded Palestine about 100 years before Jesus was even born so that’s not even remotely true.
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Palestine (region) - Wikipedia
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,506
shmmeee said:
Imagine a bunch of white British people kicking all the Muslims out of Bradford or all the Jews out of Golders Green because “our ancestors were here first” then tell me you’d support that.
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What did they do? Buy up much of the land?
Was every Palestinian removed ?
Most of Palestine was Arab owned because the ottomans banned Jewish people from buying land at all in the first place
 

shmmeee

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,507
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Read the IHRA guidelines and get back to me
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He’s also wrong it’s 30%, the majority live in the US:Jewish population by country - Wikipedia

By this logic anyone criticising the US is antisemitic.
 

David O'Day

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,508
shmmeee said:
Racism isn’t about equality any more, just beating your political opponents over their head.
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Yep and it is pretty sick in the head.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,509
shmmeee said:
He’s also wrong it’s 30%, the majority live in the US:Jewish population by country - Wikipedia

By this logic anyone criticising the US is antisemitic.
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Both wrong
 

David O'Day

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,510
shmmeee said:
Imagine a bunch of white British people kicking all the Muslims out of Bradford or all the Jews out of Golders Green because “our ancestors were here first” then tell me you’d support that.
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Us Celts are kicking all the Anglo-Saxons etc out of our country. Just don't tell the beaker people.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,511
Evo1883 said:
What did they do? Buy up much of the land?
Was every Palestinian removed ?
Most of Palestine was Arab owned because the ottomans banned Jewish people from buying land at all in the first place
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“What did they do?”

Legality of Israeli settlements - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Take it up with the UN.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,512
Evo1883 said:
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Both wrong
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You’re looking at core population, not all eligible Jewish people.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,513
Evo1883 said:
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Both wrong
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You still aren’t getting it are you? The anti-Semitism guidelines are pretty clear
 

Evo1883

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,514
shmmeee said:
“What did they do?”

Legality of Israeli settlements - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Take it up with the UN.
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So we are arguing Israeli borders , not arguing about how people purchased the land in the first place.

Like you said it's Israel now and has been for upto 80 years... the old tenants can't rock up and expect to take it back .

Sorry but you said that yourself
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,515
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You still aren’t getting it are you? The anti-Semitism guidelines are pretty clear
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I'm not on about anti semitism I was on about population in response to his population link

I understand Israel isn't completely Jewish
 

David O'Day

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,516
Evo1883 said:
So we are arguing Israeli borders , not arguing about how people purchased the land in the first place.

Like you said it's Israel now and has been for upto 80 years... the old tenants can't rock up and expect to take it back .

Sorry but you said that yourself
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What about the forced Settlements that are still removing people from land outside of Israel?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,517
Evo1883 said:
I'm not on about anti semitism I was on about population in response to his population link

I understand Israel isn't completely Jewish
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Conflating the two is a breach of AS guidelines aaargh so frustrating
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,518
Evo1883 said:
So we are arguing Israeli borders , not arguing about how people purchased the land in the first place.

Like you said it's Israel now and has been for upto 80 years... the old tenants can't rock up and expect to take it back .

Sorry but you said that yourself
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Incredible, so if I kick someone out of their house by armed force and put up guards to stop them getting back in they just have to accept it?
 

Evo1883

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,519
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Conflating the two is a breach of AS guidelines aaargh so frustrating
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What's frustrating ? We were trying to pinpoint what % of the world's Jewish population lived in Israel
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,520
Evo1883 said:
What's frustrating ? We were trying to pinpoint what % of the world's Jewish population lived in Israel
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No it’s that you’ve conflated Israel with Jews
 

Evo1883

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,521
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Incredible, so if I kick someone out of their house by armed force and put up guards to stop them getting back in they just have to accept it?
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That's what happened to the Jewish people before wasn't it BEFORE today's goings on ?
That's what happened to the Jewish people in ottaman ruled Palestine territory upto the end of their rule ?

So using the logic that was given to me , its Israeli land now
 

Evo1883

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,522
Brighton Sky Blue said:
No it’s that you’ve conflated Israel with Jews
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What? In the one post yes , but you picked up on it further after I then corrected myself .
Me and shmmeee were talking demographic

Again , I understand Israel isn't Jewish, they are however the largest demographic ...I think that's put to bed now
 

shmmeee

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,523
Evo1883 said:
So we are arguing Israeli borders , not arguing about how people purchased the land in the first place.

Like you said it's Israel now and has been for upto 80 years... the old tenants can't rock up and expect to take it back .

Sorry but you said that yourself
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Do I think Israel should’ve been created where it is? No, it was classic colonialism gone mad.

Now it’s there so I think Israel should be expanding illegally into other areas? No, I do not.

Do I find the total slavish adherence to the Israeli government line fucking weird and freaky and the ridiculous hyperbole around any criticism of it suspect? Yes, yes I do.

I believe in a two state solution because as you said we’ve done it now and it can’t be undone. I think anyone killing kids is scum.
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,524
shmmeee said:
Do I think Israel should’ve been created where it is? No, it was classic colonialism gone mad.

Now it’s there so I think Israel should be expanding illegally into other areas? No, I do not.

Do I find the total slavish adherence to the Israeli government line fucking weird and freaky and the ridiculous hyperbole around any criticism of it suspect? Yes, yes I do.

I believe in a two state solution because as you said we’ve done it now and it can’t be undone. I think anyone killing kids is scum.
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I can't see how a resolution will ever be reached , I generally agree with you .

Israel will always retaliate to hamas , and sadly innocent people will die .
The surrounding Arab nations will also never accept Israel and its right to exist ..
Israel will also always double down against media backlash which seems to favour hamas bizarrely
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,525
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Incredible, so if I kick someone out of their house by armed force and put up guards to stop them getting back in they just have to accept it?
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God, the addiction is hard to break...

I knew somebody from Gaza once. They were one of the more well-off Palestinians, family owned a business and could afford to send him to the UK. He was happy to be friends with people from, wherever really, wasn't particularly politically engaged. However in the background, his family had lost a lot of thir land and property during Israeli occupation.

And then once didn't come back once for months - Israel wouldn't let people out and then shelled where he lived, repeatedly. His family lost everything.

He despised Israel for what they did - he voted Hamas or whatever their political wing is, as what he saw was his land oppressed and colonised by an aggressor, when all his family wanted to do was work a living.

There are many sides to this story.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,526
dubed said:
Palestine (region) - Wikipedia
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Okay 70 years before the birth of Jesus. Bit hard for them to “come and force Christianity on them” when Christianity wasn’t even a thing (clue is in the title). Besides it was centuries after Jesus died before the Romans even adopted Christianity as a faith.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,527
Deleted member 5849 said:
God, the addiction is hard to break...

I knew somebody from Palestine once. They were one of the more well-off Palestinians, family owned a business and could afford to send him to the UK. He was happy to be friends with people from, wherever really, wasn't particularly politically engaged. However in the background, his family had lost a lot of thir land and property during Israeli occupation.

And then once didn't come back once for months - Israel wouldn't let people out and then shelled where he lived, repeatedly. His family lost everything.

He despised Israel for what they did - he voted Hamas or whatever their political wing is, as what he saw was his land oppressed and colonised by an aggressor, when all his family wanted to do was work a living.

There are many sides to this story.
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I agree .

Much like when our regiment were training on phoenix (UAV) In Israel and rockets came over daily .
There are many sides to this story agreed

Nobody who is well rounded votes in a terrorist militia
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,528
Evo1883 said:
I agree .

Much like when our regiment were training on phoenix (UAV) In Israel and rockets came over daily .
There are many sides to this story agreed

Nobody who is well rounded votes in a terrorist militia
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You've missed completely why they might start voting Hamas, clearly.

Oh well.
 
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wingy

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,529
Prices have rocketed.
Inflation.must be on the way.


"Building crisis looms as dwindling supplies bring sites grinding to a halt | Construction industry | The Guardian" Building crisis looms as dwindling supplies bring sites grinding to a halt | Construction industry | The Guardian
 

Evo1883

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,530
Deleted member 5849 said:
You've missed completely why they might start voting Hamas, clearly.

Oh well.
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No, no point missed at all
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,531
skybluetony176 said:
Okay 70 years before the birth of Jesus. Bit hard for them to “come and force Christianity on them” when Christianity wasn’t even a thing (clue is in the title). Besides it was centuries after Jesus died before the Romans even adopted Christianity as a faith.
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I'm genuinely confused by what are you saying. The Israelites settled the lands 1200 BCE. Subsequent invasions included the Rashidum caliphate come much later.

I'm not sure what Jesus and Christianity has to do with this ether.
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,532
dubed said:
I'm genuinely confused by what are you saying. The Israelites settled the lands 1200 BCE. Subsequent invasions included the Rashidum caliphate come much later.

I'm not sure what Jesus and Christianity has to do with this ether.
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I said Christianity was imposed on them during roman rule
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,533
Evo1883 said:
No, no point missed at all
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It's a favourite attic here, ignored what is being argued or subvert it, and then say you've missed the point. It's very boring.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,534
Evo1883 said:
No, no point missed at all
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There certainly is if you follow with "Nobody who is well rounded votes in a terrorist militia."

Walk a mile in their shoes and understand why they might. In the horrendous black and white world of SBT, I feel compelled to point out that doesn't mean that walking a mile in certain Israeli shoes doesn't come up with a different conclusion but... understand that to many, it is a hope of liberation from oppression. That doesn't make them not well-rounded, that makes them unfortunate enough to be caught in a perspective far more dramatic than Tory v Labour.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,535
Evo1883 said:
I agree .

Much like when our regiment were training on phoenix (UAV) In Israel and rockets came over daily .
There are many sides to this story agreed

Nobody who is well rounded votes in a terrorist militia
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One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Terrorist militia don’t gain popular support without good reason because you’re absolutely right, you have to be pretty desperate to turn to them.
 
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