we've been watching that.Yes!
Or somebody has looked and said the bank accounts not fully empty yet we need more stealing time
Tories are shitting it
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okay burnerso?
he doesn't sound like a champion of the working man to me.
like i've already said, i'm a labour voter. but i haven't abandoned them, they've abandoned me!
Starmer was never in charge of the judiciary, the person in charge of the judiciary is the Lord Chancellor and they are a government minister. Starmer was the Director of Public Prosecutions which is not a government role and has no ability bring and bills forward as they don't sit in the HoC or HoL.Starmer ringfenced his personal
pension while he was in charge of the judiciary - a specific bill - none of us can do that
Starmer ringfenced his personal
pension while he was in charge of the judiciary - a specific bill - none of us can do that
Aye, he may be a "metropolitan elite human rights lawyer" but he was born to a working class family
okay burner
I stand corrected on the detail - until he was questioned and said he would decline it - still a special case
Hold up a moment on this, because the facts are slightly different.
His dad actually owned the factory; it would far more accurate to class him as a self-employed toolmaker (itself a highly skilled trade).
He wasn't working at the Standard, clocking in and out every day, knocking out washers on lathes or putting wheels on cars, eight hours a day. He wouldn't have had a foreman, or a manager, or been in a union.
So, I don't think the working class dad thing quite holds true here.
It's kind of trivial in some ways, but it does rather grate on me and it isn't really true. I'd suggest Starmer's background is a bit closer to the lower middle class experience, than the working class one.
Bring back independently wealthy privately educated Corbyn, or richer than the King Sunak, or Eton nepo baby number 4. Proper working class politicians
The fact this is even a talking point is embarrassing. Is there a Tory attack line you haven’t swallowed hook line and sinker?
It's not a Tory attack line, so don't start that rubbish mate.
It's the truth. Are you so precious about Starmer that you can't bear some simple facts mate?
Hold up a moment on this, because the facts are slightly different.
His dad actually owned the factory; it would far more accurate to class him as a self-employed toolmaker (itself a highly skilled trade).
He wasn't working at the Standard, clocking in and out every day, knocking out washers on lathes or putting wheels on cars, eight hours a day. He wouldn't have had a foreman, or a manager, or been in a union.
So, I don't think the working class dad thing quite holds true here.
It's kind of trivial in some ways, but it does rather grate on me and it isn't really true. I'd suggest Starmer's background is a bit closer to the lower middle class experience, than the working class one.
This is the best a far left wing website could come up with in their efforts to denigrate it and make him sound middle class:
"Starmer’s father, in reality, operated the Oxted Tool Co. His own independent toolmaking enterprise until the 1990s. By all accounts, he was a proficient self-employed tradesman, devoid of superiors or overseers, operating from a rented workshop on an industrial estate rather than a conventional factory setting."
Oh no, a self-employed tradesman! Working in a rented workshop, not a conventional factory!
It's a frankly awful attack line, weak as piss really.
It's not a Tory attack line, so don't start that rubbish mate.
It's the truth. Are you so precious about Starmer that you can't bear some simple facts mate?
...and then an even longer 5 years.It's going to be a long 6 weeks
Well luckily for the majority of us the last 14 years have been so rewarding...and then an even longer 5 years.
It's the actual truth. Starmer's dad was not working class in the traditional sense of the word. If Starmer doesn't claim it, no one challenges it.
Why does it upset people so when it's picked up?
I lived on council estates my entire childhood and plenty of people who lived on those estates were self employed tradesmen. I can think of at least two who operated from rented premises. To say that they or their children weren’t working class is pretty ridiculous. Especially if you look at the bigger picture.Self-employed tradesman is generally working class. I'm guessing at some point he probably was employed and probably did have to clock in and out. Who knows.
But I think it's fair to say Keir Starmer was born into a working class family.
Yes!
Whether Starmers dad was self employed or not is irrelevant. The fact is he’s not an elite like Rees Mogg or Boris who had every opportunity from birth by the accident of which fanny they fell out of at birth. Starmer is still self made by being naturally intelligent and having the talent to capitalise on that despite coming from humble beginnings. There’s plenty you can judge Starmer on negatively without inventing a scenario where he’s somehow comparable to the born into it elites.
it's not ridiculous, it's absolute bollocks.I lived on council estates my entire childhood and plenty of people who lived on those estates were self employed tradesmen. I can think of at least two who operated from rented premises. To say that they or their children weren’t working class is pretty ridiculous. Especially if you look at the bigger picture.
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