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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,466
Evo1883 said:
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Leaves me almost speechless. Shocking, and very depressing.

Whatever his strong views, how Corbyn can make a speech when alongside that is simply disgraceful. No excuse, should have curtailed his appearance.
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,467
dubed said:
Leaves me almost speechless. Shocking, and very depressing
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And with placards with "socialist worker " on them

I hope they realise what they are alligning thmselves with..

This is not a British problem , and it's not a Jewish problem
 
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TomRad85

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,468
Evo1883 said:
I hope they realise what they are alligning thmselves with..
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They do

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Ccfcisparks

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,469
 
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Ian1779

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,470
dubed said:
Leaves me almost speechless. Shocking, and very depressing.

Whatever his strong views, how Corbyn can make a speech when alongside that is simply disgraceful. No excuse, should have curtailed his appearance.
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That’s fair.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,471

 
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Evo1883

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,472
Germany 3 days ago
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,473
Genuine question now, Is it possible to be pro Palestine but not anti semetic. Not having a dig just genuinely curious
 

Ian1779

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,474
Ccfcisparks said:
Genuine question now, Is it possible to be pro Palestine but not anti semetic. Not having a dig just genuinely curious
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It should be. You should be able to make legitimate criticisms of the Israeli government and their behaviour without you being accused of being an anti-semite.
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,475
Ccfcisparks said:
Genuine question now, Is it possible to be pro Palestine but not anti semetic. Not having a dig just genuinely curious
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What do you mean by pro Palestine? What do you want to happen to Israel? What do you think Palestinians should have ?

Palestine and Israel are not the same , Jews have ties to that land as far back as 3700 years
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,476
Ian1779 said:
It should be. You should be able to make legitimate criticisms of the Israeli government and their behaviour without you being accused of being an anti-semite.
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And against Zionism. I believe, even though the IHRA definition equates Zionism with anti-semitism.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,477
Evo1883 said:
What do you mean by pro Palestine? What do you want to happen to Israel? What do you think Palestinians should have ?

Palestine and Israel are not the same , Jews have ties to that land as far back as 3700 years
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It would be difficult to go back to 45 when land was taken off the Palestinians, let alone go back 3700 years. Compromises required, not the rights of one people.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,478
dubed said:
It would be difficult to go back to 45 when land was taken off the Palestinians, let alone go back 3700 years. Compromises required, not the rights of one people.
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Do you believe there can ever be a peaceful solution ? Arab countries surrounding Israel want its destruction...they beat them all in 6 days in war , they are always going to be a target
 

oakey

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,479
It seems there is some debate about that inflatable. It looks like an Arab sheikh stereotype to me.
"At the Hyde Park march, a giant inflatable puppet dressed like an Arab with horns and a hooked nose led to some confusion. Some interpreted it as an antisemitic reference to Jews, but others concluded it was a caricature of Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the crown prince of Abu Dhabi, capital of the United Arab Emirates, one of several Arab nations to establish diplomatic relations with Israel last year."
Source - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
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oakey said:
It seems there is some debate about that inflatable. It looks like an Arab sheikh stereotype to me.
"At the Hyde Park march, a giant inflatable puppet dressed like an Arab with horns and a hooked nose led to some confusion. Some interpreted it as an antisemitic reference to Jews, but others concluded it was a caricature of Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the crown prince of Abu Dhabi, capital of the United Arab Emirates, one of several Arab nations to establish diplomatic relations with Israel last year."
Source - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
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Interesting, sounds plausible.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
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Evo1883 said:
Do you believe there can ever be a peaceful solution ? Arab countries surrounding Israel want its destruction...they beat them all in 6 days in war , they are always going to be a target
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I think that's the case, yes, it's an unsolvable situation due to irreconcilable belief systems. It's often said that religious war is a proxy war for land and resources, but I think it's simpler than that at the heart of things, the Abrahamic religions, who seem destined to end this Earth of ours.
 
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wingy

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,482
dubed said:
Interesting, sounds plausible.
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Got to be honest appeared Arabic to me .
Was the same with the mural Corbyn liked or retweeted , there didn't appear anything obvious making those banker's Jewish.
Just looked like a bunch of banker's to me when I saw .
Can't remember if he should have known for some reason, like it had up for some time and may have caused controversy earlier?
 

oakey

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,483
dubed said:
Interesting, sounds plausible.
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This is the alleged target
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,484
Ccfcisparks said:
Genuine question now, Is it possible to be pro Palestine but not anti semetic. Not having a dig just genuinely curious
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Yes I am
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,485
Evo1883 said:
What do you mean by pro Palestine? What do you want to happen to Israel? What do you think Palestinians should have ?

Palestine and Israel are not the same , Jews have ties to that land as far back as 3700 years
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This has been done to death, most here support a 2 state solutions which sees both Palestine and Israel internationally recognised and sovereign.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 16, 2021
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,487
Seems you were wrong Grendel
 

Evo1883

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,488
Brighton Sky Blue said:
This has been done to death, most here support a 2 state solutions which sees both Palestine and Israel internationally recognised and sovereign.
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I get that mate , I just don't think some people realise that infact the Jewish people were basically there first until the Romans came and forced Christianity on the region.
People just automatically assume they've been there since the 40s and that's it

I get that vibe from much of social media
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,489
oakey said:
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Well, that's me twated on. Goes to show as always, to check what you read, then check again.
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 16, 2021
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Sky Blue Pete said:
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I'm sorry, did she not call Israelis racists in her speech?
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,491
dubed said:
I'm sorry, did she not call Israelis racists in her speech?
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She was reminded by hundreds of people on social media for hours that she hadn't said anything about the anti semitism today .

She eventually caved , all a bit hollow , but still threw a pro Palestinian movement line in
 
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Cityandproud87

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,492
Evo1883 said:
She was reminded by hundreds of people on social media for hours that she hadn't said anything about the anti semitism today .

She eventually caved
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Weird how she has to be reminded! She should know better.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 16, 2021
  • #3,493
Evo1883 said:
I get that mate , I just don't think some people realise that infact the Jewish people were basically there first until the Romans came and forced Christianity on the region.
People just automatically assume they've been there since the 40s and that's it

I get that vibe from much of social media
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Being on land thousands of years ago doesn't give you the right to evict those who were there in the (then) present day. It isn't really the fault of the Palestinians that they were there at an inconvenient time.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,494
Sky Blue Pete said:
Seems you were wrong Grendel
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No - mr Livingstone was frequently making such noises - her comments are on record and are not defendable
 

shmmeee

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,495
Evo1883 said:
What do you mean by pro Palestine? What do you want to happen to Israel? What do you think Palestinians should have ?

Palestine and Israel are not the same , Jews have ties to that land as far back as 3700 years
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I have ties to my nans old house, doesn’t mean I can rock up and kick out the current owners.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,496
Evo1883 said:
I get that mate , I just don't think some people realise that infact the Jewish people were basically there first until the Romans came and forced Christianity on the region.
People just automatically assume they've been there since the 40s and that's it

I get that vibe from much of social media
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The Romans invaded Palestine about 100 years before Jesus was even born so that’s not even remotely true.
You’re right in that Jewish people have always been there but they lived side by side with Muslims and the whole place was called Palestine. Israel as a state didn’t exist until after the Second World War. Zionism itself is a relatively new idea in the Jewish faith and actually many many Jews are anti Zionist and see the creation of Israel as a direct challenge to god and therefore blasphemy.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,497
shmmeee said:
I have ties to my nans old house, doesn’t mean I can rock up and kick out the current owners.
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The Jews are the current owners now
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,498
Evo1883 said:
The Jews are the current owners now
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As said before conflating Israel with Jews breaks one of the anti-Semitism guidelines
 

Evo1883

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,499
Brighton Sky Blue said:
As said before conflating Israel with Jews breaks one of the anti-Semitism guidelines
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Roughly 47% of the world's Jewish population are in Israel .
 

shmmeee

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  • May 17, 2021
  • #3,500
Awkward for the Tories here, only group that beats religious Muslims for AS is very right wing people


Evo1883 said:
The Jews are the current owners now
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Israelis, not Jews. Conflating the two is antisemitic. And if I rock up with a big gun I’ll be the current owner of my nans old house, doesn’t make it right.
 
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