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Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #281
Rusty Trombone said:
The formula price was the maximum the club would have to pay, the club's owners agreed a lower than formula price with Higgs. As part of the same deal the Council were willing to extend the lease to 125 years for free. Sounds like a good deal to me, but alas 'mad' Joy changed her mind.
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This is something you frequently bring up. The lease extension was part of a sisu offer to purchase the Higgs share for £5.5 million wasn't it?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #282
martcov said:
You like questions. Did SISU offer more than you or they thought it was worth solely because ACL was a charity? Did events prove you and Joy/ SISU both wrong?
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To my knowledge they offered over £5 million for the Higgs share didn't they?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #283
Astute said:
He likes asking questions but not answering them.
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No I answered. So £1m or £2m which was it?
 

Astute

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #284
Grendel said:
This is something you frequently bring up. The lease extension was part of a sisu offer to purchase the Higgs share for £5.5 million wasn't it?
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One of the offers they pulled out of after getting accepted.

Just about everyone accepts that CCC shouldn't have let Wasps have the arena. Why can't you accept that SISU were at fault for it happening?
 

Astute

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #285
Grendel said:
To my knowledge they offered over £5 million for the Higgs share didn't they?
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And withdrew the offer when it got accepted. So your point is?
 

Astute

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #286
Grendel said:
No I answered. So £1m or £2m which was it?
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Was it Lucas or Fisher that started the term unencumbered?
 

hill83

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #287
Astute said:
Was it Lucas or Fisher that started the term unencumbered?
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I normally leave cucumber in my sandwiches.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #288
Astute said:
One of the offers they pulled out of after getting accepted.

Just about everyone accepts that CCC shouldn't have let Wasps have the arena. Why can't you accept that SISU were at fault for it happening?
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Higgs rejected the deal
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #289
Astute said:
Was it Lucas or Fisher that started the term unencumbered?
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I think It was first mentioned by Anne Lucas on a radio interview on CWR - this was following the leaking of a letter to the telegraph by Lucas inviting Seppella to a meeting in London which Seppella insisted remain confidential.

Anyway it's £2 million and its purchase value and you were wrong.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #290
My recollection is that unencumbered was first mentioned by Seppala as the only basis they would come back from sixfields. Reported in CT And repeated by fisher and labovitch

That then turned to considering long lease when the strategy began to crumble

Lucas was consistent in saying an unencumbered option was not available meaning that ACL would remain in place

At least that is my understanding
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #291
oldskyblue58 said:
My recollection is that unencumbered was first mentioned by Seppala as the only basis they would come back from sixfields. Reported in CT And repeated by fisher and labovitch

That then turned to considering long lease when the strategy began to crumble

Lucas was consistent in saying an unencumbered option was not available meaning that ACL would remain in place

At least that is my understanding
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I thought the 125 lease discussion was first as I thought that the offer for that was made when the club were still at the Ricoh.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #292
Grendel said:
Higgs rejected the deal
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AEHC asked for security for the deal offered which was not provided in the exclusivity period, when that period ended they properly told Sisu that they would be open to other offers. Seppala offered 2m because they were a charity which was flatly rejected. Sisu then continued to try distress ACL whilst talking with CCC on a deal that depended on acquiring the AEHC shares that was not available any longer.

Their only strategy was to force a distressed sale...... The negotiations were extended to increase the ACL distress. The deals and negotiations actually make no sense because they couldn't be completed if the AEHC shares could not be acquired so can only have been part of increasing the financial pressure on ACL to acquire an unencumbered site. ACL being the encumberance
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #293
oldskyblue58 said:
AEHC asked for security for the deal offered which was not provided in the exclusivity period, when that period ended they properly told Sisu that they would be open to other offers. Seppala offered 2m because they were a charity which was flatly rejected. Sisu then continued to try distress ACL whilst talking with CCC on a deal that depended on acquiring the AEHC shares that was not available any longer.

Their only strategy was to force a distressed sale...... The negotiations were extended to increase the ACL distress. The deals and negotiations actually make no sense because they couldn't be completed if the AEHC shares could not be acquired so can only have been part of increasing the financial pressure on ACL to acquire an unencumbered site
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2m and only because ACL was a charity?
 
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #294
Grendel said:
I thought the 125 lease discussion was first as I thought that the offer for that was made when the club were still at the Ricoh.
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That deal was discussed with CCC in the December after the AEHC deal had failed I think.

But it proves there was an extended lease available doesn't it. If the discussions were in good faith on both sides...... which would not seem to be the case, considering the court concluded there were no attempts being made to acquire the charity shares
 
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #295
martcov said:
2m and only because ACL was a charity?
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Think you will find that's pretty much what Laura deering said in court
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #296
oldskyblue58 said:
That deal was discussed with CCC in the December after the AEHC deal had failed I think.

But it proves there was an extended lease available doesn't it. If the discussions were in good faith on both sides...... which would not seem to be the case
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Well it proved that the club would consider a long lease as opposed to a freehold.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #297
oldskyblue58 said:
Think you will find that's pretty much what Laura deering said in court
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But you and I know it's a meaningless comment. A charity donation and a purchase of shares of. Business are not related. It's a sneer but I hardly think a hedge find would over pay Higgs.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #298
martcov said:
2m and only because ACL was a charity?
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Surely it's £1m
 

Astute

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #299
Grendel said:
Surely it's £1m
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I admit I was wrong. Iy was a 2m donation because Higgs are a charity and not a 1m donation.

Are you going to admit that you was wrong on everything else?
 
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #300
Grendel said:
But you and I know it's a meaningless comment. A charity donation and a purchase of shares of. Business are not related. It's a sneer but I hardly think a hedge find would over pay Higgs.
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Then given what went on before it there was no deal with the charity and that meant no deal to be done with CCC with extended lease or not. So the only real strategy they had was to distress ACL the rest of it was completely meaningless.
 
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Astute

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #301
Grendel said:
But you and I know it's a meaningless comment. A charity donation and a purchase of shares of. Business are not related. It's a sneer but I hardly think a hedge find would over pay Higgs.
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More like saying that the Higgs share and the CCC share were both worthless.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #302
Grendel said:
Higgs rejected the deal
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They asked for proof of funds. Not sure that's the same as rejection. Maybe in Grendull world.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #303
oldskyblue58 said:
My recollection is that unencumbered was first mentioned by Seppala as the only basis they would come back from sixfields. Reported in CT And repeated by fisher and labovitch

That then turned to considering long lease when the strategy began to crumble

Lucas was consistent in saying an unencumbered option was not available meaning that ACL would remain in place

At least that is my understanding
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I think you're right OSB. Think it was in the LR interview. Labovich repeated it often in his Comical Ali radio interview's. And Tim did his bit to promote it to.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #304
Astute said:
I admit I was wrong. Iy was a 2m donation because Higgs are a charity and not a 1m donation.

Are you going to admit that you was wrong on everything else?
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Donations don't purchase shares so wrong again
 

bawtryneal

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #305
Yawn.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #306
Martcov liking a lot of posts. He's admitted on here he wouldn't care if CCFC moved 90 miles away.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #307
Grendel said:
Well it proved that the club would consider a long lease as opposed to a freehold.
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They probably should have tried negotiating on that basis then. In fact they should have tried negotiating on any basis.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #308
Grendel said:
But you and I know it's a meaningless comment. A charity donation and a purchase of shares of. Business are not related. It's a sneer but I hardly think a hedge find would over pay Higgs.
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She said it in a court of law. Are you saying she was acting in contempt?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #309
Grendel said:
Donations don't purchase shares so wrong again
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So you admit that SISU have never been serious about buying the Ricoh then. You'll still carry on blaming everyone else though exonerating SISU of blame at the same time.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #310
Grendel said:
Martcov liking a lot of posts. He's admitted on here he wouldn't care if CCFC moved 90 miles away.
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Deflection.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #311
Grendel said:
Martcov liking a lot of posts. He's admitted on here he wouldn't care if CCFC moved 90 miles away.
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No he hasn't- your losing and getting desperate..
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #312
Grendel said:
Donations don't purchase shares so wrong again
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It wasn't a donation though. It was a share purchase above the SISU valuation. The same as when MLabovitch said that Joy would generously pay her own costs at the 0:0 draw case with Higgs.

Just crap.
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #313
Grendel said:
This is something you frequently bring up. The lease extension was part of a sisu offer to purchase the Higgs share for £5.5 million wasn't it?
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The point is that in the days when SISU's more sensible people were prepared to negotiate the Council were willing to give the football club the benefit of an extended lease for free, or as Les Reid would have probably reported it, 'a massively extended lease not offered to anyone else'. I bring it up in instances where you conveniently forget it, so yes, frequently.
 
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SkyBlueZack

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 29, 2017
  • #314
Distress Acl? I think it was already distressed by the council's decision to only give a 50 year lease. I'm tired of saying it but the club propped up Acl. Without the extortionate rent Acl would have gone under a long time before any dispute started. Still #sisuout
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 30, 2017
  • #315
martcov said:
No he hasn't- your losing and getting desperate..
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You said you wished sisu were more like wasps so I took that to mean not caring where the team plays and not giving a jot about the fanbase.
 
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