Dean Austin position untenable (2 Viewers)

clint van damme · Jan 17, 2025

Lamps said:
We don't know what happened. All we have is rumours. Someone shagging someone or whatever. Nobody can state anything as fact as things have been unusually quiet for a club that's had a near total clear out of people that have been with us for years.

I do have my doubts that Robins would have the final say though. His role was reduced to head coach for the last near 2 years. This is one of the rare facts in this game of Chinese whispers.

I was convinced Robins had had the coaching structure forced on him. Now convinced I was wrong based on some things I've heard and some DMs I've received.

Though I wasnt totally wrong and it wasnt all down to Robins, despite what he said in an interview, It's all a bit more nuanced than that.

I suspect its the same with recruitment, but as football supporters we don't really do nuance very well!

I am becoming more convinced that the recruitment isn't as bad as some are making out and with the right (type) of additions we can kick on.

BusyDoughnut · Jan 17, 2025

KenilworthSkyBlue said:
For a role like Badlan's I suspect he would've had to give sufficient notice if he wanted to leave, at least a month, possibly more.

So the process of searching for his replacement would've probably begun some time before the announcement of his departure, and likely before DK had any kind of say in what happens behind the scenes.

"suspect" "possibly" "would've" "probably" "sometime" "likely" That's a lot of words to use to say you don't know what was happening. That's fine, none of us do, we're all going off assumptions.

Why hasn't King replaced Austin over the last 2 years when we know he has had the full say in what happens behind the scenes? Most of the other people involved in running the club have been replaced, why not the Head of Recruitment?

Sick Boy · Jan 17, 2025

BusyDoughnut said:
"suspect" "possibly" "would've" "probably" "sometime" "likely" That's a lot of words to use to say you don't know what was happening. That's fine, none of us do, we're all going off assumptions.

Why hasn't King replaced Austin over the last 2 years when we know he has had the full say in what happens behind the scenes? Most of the other people involved in running the club have been replaced, why not the Head of Recruitment?

This post is insane.

BusyDoughnut · Jan 17, 2025

Sick Boy said:
This post is insane.

What's your issue with it?

JSL · Jan 17, 2025

Probably because we effectively trusted someone from non league St Albans to play with £45m with questionable results

KenilworthSkyBlue · Jan 17, 2025

BusyDoughnut said:
"suspect" "possibly" "would've" "probably" "sometime" "likely" That's a lot of words to use to say you don't know what was happening. That's fine, none of us do, we're all going off assumptions.

Why hasn't King replaced Austin over the last 2 years when we know he has had the full say in what happens behind the scenes? Most of the other people involved in running the club have been replaced, why not the Head of Recruitment?

King can't just sack everyone in one fell swoop. It's hugely expensive and not all that practical.

Sacking the club's Head of Recruitment also sends a pretty strong message that the existing 'deck' isn't as top draw as he's publicly claimed.

Rodders1 · Jan 17, 2025

JSL said:
Probably because we effectively trusted someone effectively from non leage St Albans to play with £45m with questionable results

If we listed the players purchased and had a guess at what we’d recoup I think we'd see that that £45m is not lost. Especially when you see the Lati and BTA rumours.

The squad just isn't balanced. But I also think a little consistancy of the starting 11 would have helped - like Kitching and Simms playing more. EMC playing LW and Haji not getting injured.

Nick · Jan 17, 2025

Lamps said:
If you clearly know where and when it will be easy to find.

I think I know what you're on about. Was often said about but doesn't say what people think. That's why I say I would love to see you quote it.

Yes it is bloody boring. Same old thing from the same people but never a quoted article or anything to back anything up. Just like I'm supposed to be anti King for saying I think it's the way we're now set up that can really hurt us. To me Austin is a massive liability and needs to go. But you and certain others jump all over it each time it's mentioned. It seems your biggest aim in life is to blame Robins for whatever you can. He is gone. He was very good for us. Now we need to back Lampard. This means bringing in the players he needs. And if nothing has changed it brings us back to the subject of Austin. Yes boring but very important.

It is easy to find yeah which is why I'm surprised you have no clue.

clint van damme · Jan 17, 2025

Rodders1 said:
If we listed the players purchased and had a guess at what we’d recoup I think we'd see that that £45m is not lost. Especially when you see the Lati and BTA rumours.

The squad just isn't balanced. But I also think a little consistancy of the starting 11 would have helped - like Kitching and Simms playing more. EMC playing LW and Haji not getting injured.

I agree. The 'we've wasted 45 million' just isn't true.
Will we eventually recoup it? Who knows, but we've clearly got players we'll make a profit on and will recoup a good chunk of it.

Lamps · Jan 17, 2025

clint van damme said:
I was convinced Robins had had the coaching structure forced on him. Now convinced I was wrong based on some things I've heard and some DMs I've received.

Though I wasnt totally wrong and it wasnt all down to Robins, despite what he said in an interview, It's all a bit more nuanced than that.

I suspect its the same with recruitment, but as football supporters we don't really do nuance very well!

I am becoming more convinced that the recruitment isn't as bad as some are making out and with the right (type) of additions we can kick on.

I fully agree. We don't know exactly what has been going on yet so many things are stated as fact.

The one thing that gets me is Austin. He failed as a manager. And since he has been in place we have made a couple of strange signings like Asante instead of bringing in players to cover positions we needed. Now 6 months later we're looking at selling him already and there's a good chance we'll make a loss on him. That can't be a part of the 'model' for our 'deck'.

Lamps · Jan 17, 2025

Nick said:
It is easy to find yeah which is why I'm surprised you have no clue.

I told you I think I know which interview you're talking about. And it doesn't say what you're making out it does. That's why you won't put it up on here. If you could show what you're saying you would put a link to it.

Nick · Jan 17, 2025

Lamps said:
I told you I think I know which interview you're talking about. And it doesn't say what you're making out it does. That's why you won't put it up on here. If you could show what you're saying you would put a link to it.

It does, that's why I said it.

As always, you go flying in with no clue what you're on about.

Lamps · Jan 17, 2025

Nick said:
It does, that's why I said it.

As always, you go flying in with no clue what you're on about.

Just put a link up. I know of nothing saying what you say.

And you talk about boring.

Frostie · Jan 17, 2025

Largely I think our recruitment has been ok. We've got some excellent players & very saleable assets.

We left ourselves short in a few areas this summer, notably midfield & an obvious lack of experience, but we know from MR's interviews that these were identified but we failed to get a few players over the line. If Austin identified them but they didn't sign, can we be sure it's on him?

clint van damme · Jan 17, 2025

Lamps said:
I told you I think I know which interview you're talking about. And it doesn't say what you're making out it does. That's why you won't put it up on here. If you could show what you're saying you would put a link to it.

To be fair Robins did say that, my take is he was towing the party line.
There's been a lot said in the CET over the last few months (in fact years if you include the sisu/wasps/council saga), that's not true but if people want to believe it fair enough.
I'm done arguing about it.

Nick · Jan 17, 2025

Lamps said:
Just put a link up. I know of nothing saying what you say.

And you talk about boring.

I thought you knew what I was on about but I was wrong?

clint van damme · Jan 17, 2025

Frostie said:
Largely I think our recruitment has been ok. We've got some excellent players & very saleable assets.

We left ourselves short in a few areas this summer, notably midfield & an obvious lack of experience, but we know from MR's interviews that these were identified but we failed to get a few players over the line. If Austin identified them but they didn't sign, can we be sure it's on him?

We didn't need another midfielder according to you know who!

Cally Fedora · Jan 17, 2025

By and large the players scouted and bought have been ok. We suffered because all of a sudden Robins had options in forward positions and as the pressure wound up, rather than trusting what he felt was his best line up, he started rotating to the point of unsettling it all

AFCCOVENTRY · Jan 17, 2025

clint van damme said:
I agree. The 'we've wasted 45 million' just isn't true.
Will we eventually recoup it? Who knows, but we've clearly got players we'll make a profit on and will recoup a good chunk of it.

It’s not wasted at all, agree. Yes there is some crap we’ve got but we would get our money back on those players (for the majority) and there are others who are valuable assets.

Some Players who you would get more money than what we paid:

Dovin
Lati (was a free so if £1.5m is true then good)
MVE
Sheaf
Rudoni
Tatsu
EMC
Wright
Bassette

From that list you look at MVE, Sheaf, Rudoni, EMC, Wright and they would go for big money. Nearly £45-50m combined.

Squad value overall is around £70m.

We have a more valuable squad than before when Doug first came and the model is year on year to increase value.

Nick · Jan 17, 2025

AFCCOVENTRY said:
It’s not wasted at all, agree. Yes there is some crap we’ve got but we would get our money back on those players (for the majority) and there are others who are valuable assets.

Some Players who you would get more money than what we paid:

Dovin
Lati (was a free so if £1.5m is true then good)
MVE
Sheaf
Rudoni
Tatsu
EMC
Wright
Bassette

From that list you look at MVE, Sheaf, Rudoni, EMC, Wright and they would go for big money. Nearly £45-50m combined.

Squad value overall is around £70m.

We have a more valuable squad than before when Doug first came and the model is year on year to increase value.

The issue is just getting them to work together on the pitch mostly

SeaSeeEffCee · Jan 17, 2025

In the summer people kept shrugging and saying that ‘we’d tried our best’ to sign a midfielder so it was fine that we’d spectacularly failed. Well, now it’s killed our season and the person responsible for recruitment should take the blame for that.

Lamps · Jan 17, 2025

Nick said:
I thought you knew what I was on about but I was wrong?

Just put it up. Then I will know what you keep constantly going on about.

Nick · Jan 17, 2025

Lamps said:
Just put it up. Then I will know what you keep constantly going on about.

Or maybe you can have a look at what you are arguing about before you try and argue it constantly?

Grendel · Jan 17, 2025

shmmeee said:
We have no idea who appointed Austin. The idea he was Robins mate is based entirely on one quote where he says he’s been on training courses with him and is aware of him.

He said he’d known him for 20 years and there was only robins and Boddy making decisions then

Lamps · Jan 17, 2025

Nick said:
Or maybe you can have a look at what you are arguing about before you try and argue it constantly?

Me arguing? You stated something as fact. I asked for some kind of evidence. You refuse to but keep making silly comments. No argument there.

Will leave you to find another idiot to try and have an argument with.

Grendel · Jan 17, 2025

Nick said:
It is easy to find yeah which is why I'm surprised you have no clue.

He hasn’t a clue about anything so I’m surprised you are surprised.

Captain Dart · Jan 17, 2025

Lamps said:
I fully agree. We don't know exactly what has been going on yet so many things are stated as fact.

The one thing that gets me is Austin. He failed as a manager. And since he has been in place we have made a couple of strange signings like Asante instead of bringing in players to cover positions we needed. Now 6 months later we're looking at selling him already and there's a good chance we'll make a loss on him. That can't be a part of the 'model' for our 'deck'.

Maybe it just shows that Austin and Robins were not on the same page and ultimately Doug came down on Austin's side.

Captain Dart · Jan 17, 2025

AFCCOVENTRY said:
It’s not wasted at all, agree. Yes there is some crap we’ve got but we would get our money back on those players (for the majority) and there are others who are valuable assets.

Some Players who you would get more money than what we paid:

Dovin
Lati (was a free so if £1.5m is true then good)
MVE
Sheaf
Rudoni
Tatsu
EMC
Wright
Bassette

From that list you look at MVE, Sheaf, Rudoni, EMC, Wright and they would go for big money. Nearly £45-50m combined.

Squad value overall is around £70m.

We have a more valuable squad than before when Doug first came and the model is year on year to increase value.

Yeah but you don't always get to realise those assets.

PS I do not think Tatsu is not going to fetch more than we paid.

blunted · Jan 17, 2025

As a massive Mark and Adi fan, and suspicious about what actually happened behind the scenes, what is really important is, what will happen from here onwards.
King will be judged primarily on where we finish during his tenure. Add in the quality of football, and if the finances are better when he leaves than when he arrived. Legacy then.
King inherited the foundations of a team challenging for promotion that needed upgrading when Fadz, Godden and Kelly reached their sell by date. Over to you Kingy, the buck now rests firmly with you.

Evo1883 · Jan 25, 2025

realistically the recruitment isnt as bad as we all thought and actually we were all just lashing out after bad form and a legend being sacked

somebody has to say it

AFCCOVENTRY · Jan 25, 2025

Evo1883 said:
realistically the recruitment isnt as bad as we all thought and actually we were all just lashing out after bad form and a legend being sacked

somebody has to say it

Well Lampard is getting a tune out of these players and Robins couldn’t and that’s with key players missing… So fair play.

Sky Blue Goblin · Jan 25, 2025

Evo1883 said:
realistically the recruitment isnt as bad as we all thought and actually we were all just lashing out after bad form and a legend being sacked

somebody has to say it

I said it earlier in another thread, I don’t think bar one there’s bad players here. Just the wrong system and imo an issue with the squad building

Ccfcisparks · Jan 25, 2025

AFCCOVENTRY said:
Well Lampard is getting a tune out of these players and Robins couldn’t and that’s with key players missing… So fair play.

Goes to show they aren’t as crap as people made out though with their “top 6 deck” sarcastic comments

Evo1883 · Jan 25, 2025

Ccfcisparks said:
Goes to show they aren’t as crap as people made out though with their “top 6 deck” sarcastic comments

think poeple were just angry tbh

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jan 25, 2025

Ccfcisparks said:
Goes to show they aren’t as crap as people made out though with their “top 6 deck” sarcastic comments

We've only just moved into the top half so let's not be too quick to say we have a top 6 squad now. A lot of improvement and additional reinforcements is still required to get this team near or into the top 6

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