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Dean Austin position untenable (2 Viewers)

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Moff

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #351
Nick said:
Here we go again. Got to get the likes from Ring of Steel to feel validated.
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Is that really the case with Shmmeee?

I liked his post, because I agreed with his thoughts.
You know I haven't got an agenda as I spent nearly a year off the site as the continuous arguing bored the fuck out of me, but here I am back, as I love my club, but I also agree with him and think Lampard wasn't the right appointment and our recruitment on the whole under Austin has been on average meh at best, and that's being generous.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #352
shmmeee said:
He was brought in in the period between King agreeing to buy us and him having the takeover approved. It’s a fair assumption, but it’s also a fair assumption King had some oversight during that period. We just don’t know.
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Legally speaking, I don't believe King would have had any oversight at all until the takeover was complete.

I have to assume that Boddy signed off on hiring Austin, but I have a hard time believing he did it unilaterally without any input from Robins.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #353
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
“I have known him for the best part of 20 years, knew him as a player, played against him when he was at Tottenham,” said Robins. “We have been on courses together and did our pro-licence together. He works his socks off every time I have seen him – when he was scouting for Southend he was in the car all the time, off to games and doing his pro-licence, his energy is incredible."
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Right so he’s met him. If he’s your mate you don’t go “yeah we’ve been on courses together and I played against him once”
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #354
Who cares anymore , alot of what's been said is out of anger , most of the players are nowhere near as bad as many say .
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #355
SBT said:
Legally speaking, I don't believe King would have had any oversight at all until the takeover was complete.

I have to assume that Boddy signed off on hiring Austin, but I have a hard time believing he did it unilaterally without any input from Robins.
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I think that’s a fair assumption. I find it hard to believe there wasn’t a hiring freeze or Kings input on a club he was already in the process of buying. Sisu agreed the sale on Nov 16, Austin came in a month later.
 
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Moff

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #356
Evo1883 said:
Who cares anymore , alot of what's been said is out of anger , most of the players are nowhere near as bad as many say .
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I don't care how he got the job, but he's part of the problem, not the solution, and I would happily see him replaced.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #357
shmmeee said:
Right so he’s met him. If he’s your mate you don’t go “yeah we’ve been on courses together and I played against him once”
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So if you did a course with a complete randomer lets say 10 years ago and you haven't spoken since, you'd claim you'd known him for 10 years?

I find that a bit sad.
 

Lamps

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #358
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
So if you did a course with a complete randomer lets say 10 years ago and you haven't spoken since, you'd claim you'd known him for 10 years?

I find that a bit sad.
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It would be correct. If the course was for a week ten years before you wouldn't say you've known him for a week.

And those involved in football do come into contact at times. Was he supposed to list every time they have met since?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #359
Moff said:
Is that really the case with Shmmeee?

I liked his post, because I agreed with his thoughts.
You know I haven't got an agenda as I spent nearly a year off the site as the continuous arguing bored the fuck out of me, but here I am back, as I love my club, but I also agree with him and think Lampard wasn't the right appointment and our recruitment on the whole under Austin has been on average meh at best, and that's being generous.
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You're not making up that King hired Austin even though he didn't own the club then and that it was nothing to do with Robins though?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #360
I don’t think a lot of the players are bad.

I think we had a scatter gun approach to recruitment in the summer, some fit the system some don’t.

We need to refine now. Sell those that haven’t worked and reinvest in players in positions we need.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #361
Lamps said:
It would be correct. If the course was for a week ten years before you wouldn't say you've known him for a week.

And those involved in football do come into contact at times. Was he supposed to list every time they have met since?
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His comments quite obviously infer they knew each other well.

If you think otherwise. I'm afraid you suffer from a terminal case of idiot.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #362
shmmeee said:
I think that’s a fair assumption. I find it hard to believe there wasn’t a hiring freeze or Kings input on a club he was already in the process of buying. Sisu agreed the sale on Nov 16, Austin came in a month later.
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Again - I don't know the specifics of the law in the UK, but certainly in the US you wouldn't be allowed to even advise on strategic decisions before you've completed a takeover. I doubt King had anything to do with it.

Badlan had just left for Blackpool and we needed a new chief scout before the January window, regardless of who owned the club.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #363
Nick said:
Oh it's not triggered, it's just pointing out the behaviour / patterns in most threads.
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If someone says something I agree with then I’ll like it, if you then want to do your usual “I’m paranoid and I’m gonna start whining about people giving likes” thing thing then that’s your call. But stop this obsession you have with me, it’s weird.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #364
shmmeee said:
Right so he’s met him. If he’s your mate you don’t go “yeah we’ve been on courses together and I played against him once”
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I don't think you need to get hung up on the definition of friend vs acquaintance. Clearly Robins knew him in a personal capacity and was an admirer of his work.

It doesn't mean Robins was directly responsible for hiring him, but he had his fingerprints over most of the football-related hires during the SISU era.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #365
SBT said:
I don't think you need to get hung up on the definition of friend vs acquaintance. Clearly Robins knew him in a personal capacity and was an admirer of his work.

It doesn't mean Robins was directly responsible for hiring him, but he had his fingerprints over most of the football-related hires during the SISU era.
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Robins would've almost certainly been involved in the recruitment process.

It wouldn't have been just Boddy on his own.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #366
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Robins would've almost certainly been involved in the recruitment process.

It wouldn't have been just Boddy on his own.
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That is my best guess too.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #367
Ring Of Steel said:
Didn’t Robins actually say something along the lines of not knowing whether he was any good?
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Something like that, 'apparently he's supposed to be good' is the phrase I recall
 
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Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #368
Nick said:
You're not making up that King hired Austin even though he didn't own the club then and that it was nothing to do with Robins though?
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Fair enough...I missed that bit
 
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Chicken Mcgraw

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #369
Ccfcisparks said:
I don’t think a lot of the players are bad.

I think we had a scatter gun approach to recruitment in the summer, some fit the system some don’t.

We need to refine now. Sell those that haven’t worked and reinvest in players in positions we need.
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Have to agree. Can’t help but think one crucial signing this window could bring the best out of the players around them. I don’t think this Chelsea kid is that player.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #370
Chicken Mcgraw said:
Have to agree. Can’t help but think one crucial signing this window could bring the best out of the players around them. I don’t think this Chelsea kid is that player.
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Players like Kitching, EMC, Dovin will be good signings. There needs to be players knitting them together. Big CB, Quality LB and a commanding CM
 
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Chicken Mcgraw

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #371
Ccfcisparks said:
Players like Kitching, EMC, Dovin will be good signings. There needs to be players knitting them together. Big CB, Quality LB and a commanding CM
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Agreed, I keep saying it but we should focus on just signing one of those players this window ready for the summer. I worry if we let go of Lati and BTA, we’re going to be scrambling trying to sign 3/4 players. Makes little sense to me
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #372
The notion that DK had a hand in Austin's appointment is up there with some of David Icke's theories.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #373
Chicken Mcgraw said:
Agreed, I keep saying it but we should focus on just signing one of those players this window ready for the summer. I worry if we let go of Lati and BTA, we’re going to be scrambling trying to sign 3/4 players. Makes little sense to me
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I’d take the profit on Lati now and patch his position with a loan.

I think the money is too good to turn down
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #374
Ccfcisparks said:
Players like Kitching, EMC, Dovin will be good signings. There needs to be players knitting them together. Big CB, Quality LB and a commanding CM
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There's only so good those signings can be if they require more (and presumably better and/or more expensive) players to subsequently come in and unlock their value.

I think Kitching and EMC are both serviceable players at this level but neither has been good value for money, and that's the recurring theme with many of Austin's signings.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #375
SBT said:
There's only so good those signings can be if they require more (and presumably better and/or more expensive) players to subsequently come in and unlock their value.

I think Kitching and EMC are both serviceable players at this level but neither has been good value for money, and that's the recurring theme with many of Austin's signings.
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Well if EMC had kept his run up before he got injured surely he’d be worth way more than we paid
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #376
Ccfcisparks said:
Well if EMC had kept his run up before he got injured surely he’d be worth way more than we paid
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Maybe, but he hasn't.

I'm obviously keen to see him come back, but for a player who cost us £4 million quid almost a full year ago then you'd have hoped for more good performances than what we've seen by now.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #377
SBT said:
Maybe, but he hasn't.

I'm obviously keen to see him come back, but for a player who cost us £4 million quid almost a full year ago then you'd have hoped for more good performances than what we've seen by now.
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He's not been here a full year though , he's been here 6 months
 
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The watchmaker

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #378
Nick said:
Didn't we have a loan lined up but they got injured?

Who was it who was posting on here about Robins fucking Alan Browne about thinking he can get Stamenic?
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Got to love SBT. Behind on this thread. Opened it to see Nick moaning about Shmmeee making things up and then, but two posts later, throwing his weight behind a tall tale he heard from an unattributed source.
 
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Lamps

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #379
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
His comments quite obviously infer they knew each other well.

If you think otherwise. I'm afraid you suffer from a terminal case of idiot.
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Yes infer if you want it to look that way.

If I had been mates with someone for years I would say so. But I'm not mates with the vast majority of people I know or have met. If that makes me an idiot then so be it. I don't do farcebook and pretend I have hundreds of mates. I only have a few good mates. Having a family it's all I would have time for.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #380
Evo1883 said:
He's not been here a full year though , he's been here 6 months
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I know, but it doesn't change what we paid for him* There are only so many £4 million players we can sign, the fact that one of ours has spent half of last season on loan in L1 and half of this season struggling for form has held us back.

* Yes, I know we supposedly got a discount, not that it seems to have helped either us or Peterborough
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #381
SBT said:
I don't think you need to get hung up on the definition of friend vs acquaintance. Clearly Robins knew him in a personal capacity and was an admirer of his work.

It doesn't mean Robins was directly responsible for hiring him, but he had his fingerprints over most of the football-related hires during the SISU era.
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Except this wasn’t the Sisu era as they’d sold the club a month before.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #382
The reason I think King wasn’t a silent partner here is that he’s sacked most of the people there when he took over but not Austin, instead promoting him to be alongside the manager and performance director in the decision making group.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #383
The watchmaker said:
Got to love SBT. Behind on this thread. Opened it to see Nick moaning about Shmmeee making things up and then, but two posts later, throwing his weight behind a tall tale he heard from an unattributed source.
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2 posts later? Was it, really? It was from a while back so not "2 posts later".

Was it made up on the same level as King hiring Austin even though he didn't own the club?
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #384
shmmeee said:
Except this wasn’t the Sisu era as they’d sold the club a month before.
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They'd agreed the sale - you don't just have the new boss running around hiring and firing people before he's officially taken over.
 
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SkyBlueSteve81

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  • Jan 16, 2025
  • #385
Grendel said:
So basically robins signed no one? Didnt coach either? What did he do?
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I'm not saying Robins didn't sign anyone. More suggesting that others may have also brought in people that weren't on his list so to speak.
 
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