From one respect I agree regarding the moral issue of moving clubs, but coming at it from a different point of view the two situations were completely different:
Wasps made it clear a long time before the Ricoh move was made public that they were looking to leave Wycombe, and wanted somewhere they could call a permanent "home". Also, relocating in rugby isn't unusual in recent history, although admittedly distance wise this is the biggest. The way they went about the process was pretty transparent.
Then you look at CCFC, I remember that Friday afternoon when people were taking pictures of removal van's loading up at the Ricoh and emptying the offices, no one had a clue what was going on. Even in the weeks following that it was clear that the club had shipped out without having anywhere to go, for a while all the talk was that we were going to Walsall. Then (since we've been talking of PR) came the complete catastrophe of those forums with Fisher and the accountant Brookfield (?), which only made things 10 times worse. Fisher's arrogance at the situation just riled everyone up even more. They couldn't even answer basic questions about the accounts without being made to sound like complete idiots.
Maybe how the respective moves were handled are a significant factor as to why some people have treated them so differently.
Interested a couple of years before, before he bought the club...Were they really that transparent though? I seem to remember they always claimed their attention was to move back into London from Adams Park.
Then out of nowhere we hear they are interested in the Ricoh and the deal is done so quickly it was obvious discussions had been ongoing for some time.
Exactly, and never challenged!Exactly they could have survived, I just see it mentioned a lot that they moved here to survive or they would have died which isn't true. It was lie to justify the move.
Were they really that transparent though? I seem to remember they always claimed their attention was to move back into London from Adams Park.
Then out of nowhere we hear they are interested in the Ricoh and the deal is done so quickly it was obvious discussions had been ongoing for some time.
I don't see it that way, it was an either an ambitious expansion or stagnation.
Successful businesses tend to choose the former, some crash & burn by overreaching themselves.
What path did SISU take?
So if they did expand and buy us a stadium miles away it would be backed?
I've said from day one I'd be done if there was a full time move, but it seems it's good business so should be looked into. Maybe find loop holes.a) The FL won't allow a move more than 8 miles from Coventry city centre. A fact that has been confirmed by Henry Winter (the Times Football correspondent).
b) That is a risk that the owners would have to make a judgement on
c) I don't want CCFC to move at all, do you?
d) I was vehemently against the move to Northampton, I view it as a gross mistake.
In a recent post you've just applauded Wasps for making an ambitious move in moving 80 miles in the pursuit of success and financial gain and implied our owners should do something similar.a) The FL won't allow a move more than 8 miles from Coventry city centre. A fact that has been confirmed by Henry Winter (the Times Football correspondent).
b) That is a risk that the owners would have to make a judgement on
c) I don't want CCFC to move at all, I don't support any such strategy.
d) I was vehemently against the move to Northampton, I view it as a gross mistake.
Thats a fair enough point if true but I was sure they said they intended to move back to London a short while before the Ricoh move was announced.I think they ruled London out some time before the Ricoh was announced due to cost. I'm not saying talks weren't going on, but in comparison to how CCFC alienated 95% of the fan base, the whole conduct of the two clubs were miles apart. That to me is a reason why a lot of people view the moves differently.
In a recent post you've just applauded Wasps for making an ambitious move in moving 80 miles in the pursuit of success and financial gain and implied our owners should do something similar.
Assume for a moment the FL rules would allow it to happen and also assume it would be successful in terms of team success on the pitch and a success in providing financial security, would you then find it acceptable?
Thats a fair enough point if true but I was sure they said they intended to move back to London a short while before the Ricoh move was announced.
If it moved so far way it would cease to be my club. Football is different to rugby, football fans pledge alleigance to a club and tend to stick to that club, rugby fans their alleigance tends to be with the sport in general. Also is never going to happen unlikely to ever generate enough new support in the new location to replace the lost old supporters.
If it moved so far way it would cease to be my club. Football is different to rugby, football fans pledge alleigance to a club and tend to stick to that club, rugby fans their alleigance tends to be with the sport in general. Also is never going to happen unlikely to ever generate enough new support in the new location to replace the lost old supporters.
Sorry didn't mean you specifically but some people do, you replied to my post and my post was a response to Captain Dart on here, he was applauding Wasps for their move in this thread and also seemed to suggest we should do something similar."You shouldn't applaud one club and hold them up as an example for others to follow and then chastise another clubs for doing the exact same thing which is what some people do."
At what point have I ever suggested we do that. We were wrong to go to Northampton, I don't care what happened to WASPS or their fans but their link to Wycombe was weak at best, CCFC were formed in Coventry and belong in Coventry. I'm not applauding anything but recognising that their move seems to have worked out for the club and its fans.
There was a petition started to keep Wasps in/around the London area. It got 3,000 signatures which isn't bad considering they only got 5,000 attendances at Adams Park.
Surely no one listens to that clown Italia anymore anyway.The reply you will get back on this is that this was before Eastwood explained the reasons behind the move and then they all understood.
The fact they don't go anymore is of course because rugby fans don't follow a team but the sport so that's ok.
Italia will be along soon to tell us the Ricoh is full of fans not from here so they do still go. Which is odd given that all their marketing is exclusive to the CV area.
There was a petition started to keep Wasps in/around the London area. It got 3,000 signatures which isn't bad considering they only got 5,000 attendances at Adams Park. Seems like more lies and manipulation to make the Wasps move appear acceptable.
Our hypocritical and apathetic fans deserve everything they get.
Fans of other clubs looking in would be pissing themselves over our supposed fans falling over themselves to make excuses for a franchise rugby club and even holding them up as an example to follow.
Fans of other clubs looking in would be pissing themselves over our supposed fans falling over themselves to make excuses for a franchise rugby club and even holding them up as an example to follow.
Not sure CFC deserve half of the crap we've had to put up with but do explain
I'm not making excuses for WASPS, WASP have taking advantage of an opportunity. We as a club need to move on and not just grumble about past injustices. If moving on means collaborating with WASPS long-term so be it, if moving on means a new stadium in Coventry, then I'll be behind that as well but there is an example in wasps that we could do with following , sucess on the pitch as a start.
not you on the conspiracy stuff Nick - sorry I did try to separate the reply
But the concentration on the morals though admirable solves our reality how other than pointing fingers? - hasn't there been enough of that?
And I am not saying we should forget but this board (bored) spends hours rehashing the same history and generally never dealing with now & how to progress
Why model ourselves on a club owned by a hedge fund and moved 95 miles away?
WASPS moved to Cov, as part of a survival strategy for their club, SISU moved us to Northampton to try to distress ACL & CCC, it was for personal/ spiteful reasons and SISU business interests not for the long-term strategic benefit of CCFC. The majority of the WASPS fans supported the move, the majority of Cov fans opposed the move.
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Football is different to rugby, football fans pledge alleigance to a club and tend to stick to that club, rugby fans their alleigance tends to be with the sport in general.
I agree we have nothing to learn from WASPS and the SISU strategy and business model is the envy of the football world and will be repeated by clubs up and down the country. My particular favourites awere the barrow in tesco as a club shop and our excellent ticketing arrangements, go SISU go.
Cardiff was only formed in 2003 when Welsh Rugby was radically reorganised.
WASPS moved to Cov, as part of a survival strategy for their club, SISU moved us to Northampton to try to distress ACL & CCC, it was for personal/ spiteful reasons and SISU business interests not for the long-term strategic benefit of CCFC. The majority of the WASPS fans supported the move, the majority of Cov fans opposed the move.
Most of the general public will believe that WASPS have the moral high ground.
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