Coventry City's Joe Murphy wants new contract with Sky Blues (1 Viewer)

Sky Blue Dal · Mar 25, 2014

To be honest .. it was on the cards we are going to struggle to hold onto our player, especially after up rooting the club from its home and moving to Sixfields in front of a very depleted crowd.

Believe it or not many of our players who have requested to leave the club have ambitions of progressing there career and I have admiration for that but sadly they cannot see them doing that at CCFC and nor can I.

I really hope Murphy does sign and even if he does, I doubt he will be with us for too long.

Its the sign of the times of how we have plummeted as a pathetic low league homeless football club.

Sky Blue Dal · Mar 25, 2014

To be honest .. it was on the cards we are going to struggle to hold onto our player, especially after up rooting the club from its home and moving to Sixfields in front of a very depleted crowd.

Believe it or not many of our players who have requested to leave the club have ambitions of progressing there career and I have admiration for that but sadly they cannot see them doing that at CCFC and nor can I.

I really hope Murphy does sign and even if he does, I doubt he will be with us for too long.

Its the sign of the times of how we have plummeted as a pathetic low league homeless football club.

Sky Blue Dal · Mar 25, 2014

To be honest .. it was on the cards we are going to struggle to hold onto our player, especially after up rooting the club from its home and moving to Sixfields in front of a very depleted crowd.

Believe it or not many of our players who have requested to leave the club have ambitions of progressing there career and I have admiration for that but sadly they cannot see them doing that at CCFC and nor can I.

I really hope Murphy does sign and even if he does, I doubt he will be with us for too long.

Its the sign of the times of how we have plummeted as a pathetic low league homeless football club.

stupot07 · Mar 25, 2014

dongonzalos said:
It is but if you are saying the only way this stadium an be viable is via promotion. What was those three players contribution like when we were showing promotion form?

Yeovil got promoted on less than Clarke, baker and murphy altogether..

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stupot07 · Mar 25, 2014

Double post.

Sky Blue Dal · Mar 25, 2014

To be honest .. it was on the cards we are going to struggle to hold onto our player, especially after up rooting the club from its home and moving to Sixfields in front of a very depleted crowd.

Believe it or not many of our players who have requested to leave the club have ambitions of progressing there career and I have admiration for that but sadly they cannot see them doing that at CCFC and nor can I.

I really hope Murphy does sign and even if he does, I doubt he will be with us for too long.

Its the sign of the times of how we have plummeted as a pathetic low league homeless football club.

Sky Blue Dal · Mar 25, 2014

To be honest .. it was on the cards we are going to struggle to hold onto our player, especially after up rooting the club from its home and moving to Sixfields in front of a very depleted crowd.

Believe it or not many of our players who have requested to leave the club have ambitions of progressing there career and I have admiration for that but sadly they cannot see them doing that at CCFC and nor can I.

I really hope Murphy does sign and even if he does, I doubt he will be with us for too long.

Its the sign of the times of how we have plummeted as a pathetic low league homeless football club.

stupot07 · Mar 25, 2014

dongonzalos said:
It is but if you are saying the only way this stadium an be viable is via promotion. What was those three players contribution like when we were showing promotion form?

Yeovil got promoted on less than Clarke, baker and murphy altogether..

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Jack Griffin · Mar 25, 2014

stupot07 said:
Yeovil got promoted on less than Clarke, baker and murphy altogether..

An exception that proves nothing.

For each example of a side getting promoted on a relatively low budget they'll be quite a few that got demoted with low budgets.
Budgets are statistically relevant when it comes to the chances of promotion/demotion.

fernandopartridge · Mar 25, 2014

Jack Griffin said:
The exception that proves nothing.

Why?

covmark · Mar 25, 2014

Jack Griffin said:
An exception that proves nothing.

For each example of a side getting promoted on a relatively low budget they'll be quite a few that got demoted with low budgets.
Budgets are statistically relevant when it comes to the chances of promotion/demotion.

It proves it can be done, you dullard.

dongonzalos · Mar 25, 2014

stupot07 said:
Yeovil got promoted on less than Clarke, baker and murphy altogether..

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And some on here did not want to entertain the idea if Gary Johnson as manager

hill83 · Mar 25, 2014

dongonzalos said:
And some on here did not want to entertain the idea if Gary Johnson as manager

dongonzalos · Mar 25, 2014

There are exceptions of course.
However if you are basing your whole business plan for the future of the club on building a new stadium that can only make profit if we get promoted to the premiership. You probably want to be the norm not the exception

Jack Griffin · Mar 25, 2014

covmark said:
It proves it can be done, you dullard.

Maybe you don't understand statistics?

I'm basing my view on the views and research expounded in this book, http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Numbers-Game-Everything-Football/dp/0670922242&tag=skblta-21

And all you do is use insulting language.

stupot07 · Mar 25, 2014

dongonzalos said:
There are exceptions of course.
However if you are basing your whole business plan for the future of the club on building a new stadium that can only make profit if we get promoted to the premiership. You probably want to be the norm not the exception

We're not getting promoted to the PL anytime soon.

Let's look at it this why, the season we got relegated, promoted Southampton, west ham and Reading all had wage bills circa x3 our entire turnover.

I don't think spending £17-19m+ than our turnover in the hope of gaining promotion to the PL is a particularly good business strategy either

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Sky Blue Dal · Mar 25, 2014

My apologies guys ... Website kept on freezing on me as I was continually clicked" Post Quick reply".. hence triple post ..

stupot07 · Mar 25, 2014

Jack Griffin said:
Maybe you don't understand statistics?

I'm basing my view on the views and research expounded in this book, http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Numbers-Game-Everything-Football/dp/0670922242&tag=skblta-21

And all you do is use insulting language.

Yes, reading Soccernomics at the minute, 90% league position based on wage bill, the amount of transfer fund makes little difference. I believe the research was focused on the top 2 leagues across the bigger leagues in Europe, where there's more money sloshing around.

Still leaves 10% where a good manager can influence things, Swansea did it, Yeovil did it, we can do it. Especially out of this league.

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lordsummerisle · Mar 25, 2014

stupot07 said:
Yes, reading Soccernomics at the minute, 90% league position based on wage bill, the amount of transfer fund makes little difference. I believe the research was focused on the top 2 leagues across the bigger leagues in Europe, where there's more money sloshing around.

Still leaves 10% where a good manager can influence things, Swansea did it, Yeovil did it, we can do it. Especially out of this league.

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A bad manager can also influence things, as has been seen many times in the past here.

Jack Griffin · Mar 25, 2014

stupot07 said:
Yes, reading Soccernomics at the minute, 90% league position based on wage bill, the amount of transfer fund makes little difference. I believe the research was focused on the top 2 leagues across the bigger leagues in Europe, where there's more money sloshing around.

Still leaves 10% where a good manager can influence things, Swansea did it, Yeovil did it, we can do it. Especially out of this league.

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Yes, I never said such a thing was impossible, just much less likely, and conversely an adverse result much more likely.. that surely makes reasonable sense & is the conclusion reached in "The Numbers Game".

Jack Griffin · Mar 25, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
A bad manager can also influence things, as has been seen many times in the past here.

Or an orange director, LOL.

dongonzalos · Mar 25, 2014

stupot07 said:
We're not getting promoted to the PL anytime soon.

Let's look at it this why, the season we got relegated, promoted Southampton, west ham and Reading all had wage bills circa x3 our entire turnover.

I don't think spending £17-19m+ than our turnover in the hope of gaining promotion to the PL is a particularly good business strategy either

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No it's a stupid one spending that much.

However if on the one hand you are faced with the figures that show a new stadium is financial suicide.

You answer we will get promotion.

you are hanging the future of your investment and the club in getting promotion.
If once in a blue moon a Yeovil get promotion
The rest of the time it is the teams paying the highest wages.

Then within your league you need to be competitive on the wages front.

You need to be able to sign the likes of Joe Murphy if a bigger club is not after him and he wants to sign.

Without the ten point deduction and keeping Leon till the end of the season we would most likely have got promotion.

Not with an outrageous wage bill but with a very competitive one.

Sub · Mar 25, 2014

same old story where a little bit of speculation money wise could of paid big dividends for our owners, when we were pushing for the play offs but as normal when players leave (through thier own choice or sold) no investment is put back into the team to keep the promotion push going and we fall away and either get relegated or end up fighting relegation off. Nothing wil change with our current owners imho

fernandopartridge · Mar 25, 2014

Jack Griffin said:
Maybe you don't understand statistics?

I'm basing my view on the views and research expounded in this book, http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Numbers-Game-Everything-Football/dp/0670922242&tag=skblta-21

And all you do is use insulting language.

Does it prove it can be done or not? Or are you saying that we continue to get even more indebted to ARVO?

dongonzalos · Mar 25, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
Does it prove it can be done or not? Or are you saying that we continue to get even more indebted to ARVO?

Is it 1.8 million in interest a season to them?

fernandopartridge · Mar 25, 2014

dongonzalos said:
Is it 1.8 million in interest a season to them?

I don't know. The club can't afford the interest never mind the overall debt.

dongonzalos · Mar 25, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
I don't know. The club can't afford the interest never mind the overall debt.

If it is 1.8 imagine what it is about to become

Jack Griffin · Mar 25, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
Does it prove it can be done or not? Or are you saying that we continue to get even more indebted to ARVO?

You are trying to put words into my mouth, I never said it can't be done (see my comment above), I never advocated increasing debt in fact I am vehemently against doing so, that is the policy (from SISU) that got the club into the terrible state it is in now. The debt it is the fault of SISU, no one else.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 25, 2014

fernandopartridge said:
Does it prove it can be done or not? Or are you saying that we continue to get even more indebted to ARVO?

ARVO is a SISU owned entity. I would imagine the 'interest payments' on the loans are a means to funnel cash to investors in other parts of the portfolio.

SonOfSnoz · Mar 25, 2014

.....so does my garden gnome!!
Need taller, more agile to progress!! Sorry Joe!

SlowerThanPlatt · Mar 25, 2014

Sign him up IMO. Would like to see Burge given a chance too though.

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