Match Thread Coventry City v Manchester United - FA Cup Semi-Final (13 Viewers)

skybluegod · Nov 6, 2024

David O'Day said:
Do people really still think it was onside?

It was off, the argument you should be having is was it off be enough to justify VAR involvement but in the current system where the question is a binary onside or offside the call was right.

Tbf I'm not sure there is an argument for a change away from binary on or off-side. The other options would be to add an arbitrary distance to it which would still present the same problem of 'its only a toenail over that distance' and then the other way would be a subjective 'clear advantage gained' call which would only cause more faff.

As much as wright gained no advantage and I would love for it to have counted, I wouldn't have the offside implementation changed.

Calista · Nov 6, 2024

Robinshio said:
Your argument cannot be conclusive without a lot more frames between 2 onside and 3 offside unless you get an offside in advance of o hare touching it

I'm not VAR. If you want 'conclusive', go to their decision taken with all the equipment at their disposal. My pictures were a genuine attempt to see if there was any mileage in accusing VAR of cocking it up, but trying to draw lines to make Haji onside is an impossible job, which explains why nobody has done it.

Alternatively, just say forever that we were robbed.

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 6, 2024

Calista said:
I'm not VAR. If you want 'conclusive', go to their decision taken with all the equipment at their disposal. My pictures were a genuine attempt to see if there was any mileage in accusing VAR of cocking it up, but trying to draw lines to make Haji onside is an impossible job, which explains why nobody has done it.

Alternatively, just say forever that we were robbed.

VAR lines drawn by the same experts who go ‘yeah that looks about right’?

Skybluekyle · Nov 6, 2024

Calista said:
One last try on this.
Here's the pictures I posted back in April. At the crucial moment (pics 3 &4), Haji stuck his leg out and under the inflexible rules (that give zero leeway to the attacker) he was offside. If you want to spend the rest of your life disbelieving it, that's up to you.

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Take these pictures down please, my FIFA Ultimate Team name is predicated on the idea of Wright being onside.

"WrightWasOnside" is more succinct than "WrightMaybeOnButCalista'sPicturesSuggestHeMayNotHaveBeen

The latter is too wordy!

CovInEssex · Nov 6, 2024

It isn't that the goal was offside that hurts. It's that VAR robbed us. If VAR didn't exist the linesman either a) plays on and we score or b) we play on for a second before play is stopped, no Torp goal and no dreaming.

Frostie · Nov 6, 2024

David O'Day said:
yes it has, that was a thickened line used only for TV pictures. It's not the line used for the decision.

Where was that said mate? Is there a link?

PUSB-We_are_going_up · Nov 6, 2024

I think the offside rule needs a change, should be to the benefit of the attacker but its now for the benefit of the defenders.
I propose:
If a clear advantage is gained by being offside such as a 1 yard gap remains offside, if a not so clear advantage stays up with the ref and linos they can make their minds up, and a clear disadvantage such as a boot in it but being the wider player or marked by a defender or numbers disadvantage.
As such an offside may be ruled if there is a clear advantage gained but if its something like a boot or head or knee but doesnt lead to an advantage to the attacker by having it offside can either be subjective to the referee or ruled onside. Such as the Torp goal remaining onside and standing, as Haji gains no advantage from how marginal this offside was.

shepardo01 · Nov 6, 2024

Are people aware that the ex head of PGMOL was interviewed specifically about this goal.
He said that the cameras used in the current system - the regular stadium cams - are not fit for purpose to judge calls such as this
Due to low frame rate it is impossible judge exactly when the ball is played so an accurate call cannot be made when it is as tight as this.

They were looking for a frame showing he was offside. If they looked for a frame where he was inside, they could have found one!

The new system (not yet being used in the UK - but used by UEFA) has a sensor in the ball and purposely placed and appropriate cameras.

Anything shown in previous posts just does not and cannot show accurately that he was offside!!

SIR ERNIE · Nov 6, 2024

Hutch11 said:
Who confirmed that your lines were exact?

Bob Higgins, the bloke who drives the mower that makes the lines.

skybluecam · Nov 6, 2024

Can we stop guys, just reading the thread title annoyed me again.

shmmeee · Nov 6, 2024

Calista said:
One last try on this.
Here's the pictures I posted back in April. At the crucial moment (pics 3 &4), Haji stuck his leg out and under the inflexible rules (that give zero leeway to the attacker) he was offside. If you want to spend the rest of your life disbelieving it, that's up to you.

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Nah he’s on

Evo1883 · Apr 20, 2025

Evo1883 · Apr 20, 2025

Tommo1993 · Apr 20, 2025

Almost lost my front teeth for nothing.

Evo1883 · Apr 20, 2025

Tommo1993 said:
Almost lost my front teeth for nothing.

I split my lip because I got punched square in the mouth when we scored by somebody's flappy arms

For fuck all

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 20, 2025

Evo1883 said:
I split my lip because I got punched square in the mouth when we scored by somebody's flappy arms

For fuck all

Complete blackout do had to sit down

Tommo1993 · Apr 20, 2025

Evo1883 said:
I split my lip because I got punched square in the mouth when we scored by somebody's flappy arms

For fuck all

I jumped on my dad and the guy on the other side of him did too. My upper lip/nose met his fist. I obviously noticed the contact but didn’t realise how hard until after.

shepardo01 · Apr 20, 2025

Sky Blue Pete said:
Complete blackout do had to sit down

Me too! Ended up on my knees holding in to my boy.

bigfatronssba · Apr 20, 2025

Still is one of the most surreal moments of my life. All I remember is the ball in slow motion going into the net, and then a sort of silence for a second, then the cheer. People falling over, the 75 y/o lady behind me in tears, the absolute feeling of disbelief that we were in the cup final.

All those years of absolute misery were worth it for that 90 seconds.

I'm sure for the next few days I had some form of PTSD!

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 20, 2025

bigfatronssba said:
Still is one of the most surreal moments of my life. All I remember is the ball in slow motion going into the net, and then a sort of silence for a second, then the cheer. People falling over, the 75 y/o lady behind me in tears, the absolute feeling of disbelief that we were in the cup final.

All those years of absolute misery were worth it for that 90 seconds.

I'm sure for the next few days I had some form of PTSD!

Days!!!!
team had it for months

AOM · Apr 20, 2025

Even taking the final result into account, it was still one of the best games I've ever witnessed as a Coventry fan

SkyblueTexan · Apr 20, 2025

AOM said:
Even taking the final result into account, it was still one of the best games I've ever witnessed as a Coventry fan

Well I was and still am bitter about the result which was totally manipulated to suit a predetermined narrative. Totally biased BS. Agree it was a great game though.

Chris1987 · Apr 20, 2025

The whole day will live in the memory forever especially the moment when Torp scored . Was staying in Watford and every single person I saw after the game couldn't believe that the goal had been overturned.

jas365 · Apr 21, 2025

Still wrankles now, the offside decision looks even worse from this angle.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 21, 2025

jas365 said:
Still wrankles now, the offside decision looks even worse from this angle.

Always looked bad from that angle

Jcap · Apr 21, 2025

Still not over it….

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 21, 2025

Jcap said:
Still not over it….

Ye

Mcbean · Apr 21, 2025

Pure FA robbery for all to see and we would have beaten city in the final

Macca · Apr 21, 2025

Wish we would have taken the game by the scruff of the neck from the start against a fragile Utd team. Think we could have had a very straightforward win. That said had the goal stood it would have been the greatest day I had ever seen including 1987

SkyBlue_Adam · Apr 21, 2025

Macca said:
Wish we would have taken the game by the scruff of the neck from the start against a fragile Utd team. Think we could have had a very straightforward win. That said had the goal stood it would have been the greatest day I had ever seen including 1987

Agreed. They were struggling against Tavares who was falling over his own feet against Maidstone 8 weeks prior

Wyken Sky Blue · Apr 21, 2025

Ouch...

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shmmeee · Apr 21, 2025

I maintain that chops off the defenders toes.

Mcbean · Apr 21, 2025

shmmeee said:
I maintain that chops off the defenders toes.

Was clear direction from the back of the VAR box “ make that goal go away “

Saddlebrains · Apr 21, 2025

I will go to the grave telling anyone who will listen we won that game

It wasn't offside

If the line was drawn where it should be and always is, in front of the last defenders foot, it would have stood

The line was drawn over Wan Bissaka's foot intentionally to get the outcome wanted

We won that semi final i don't give a fuck

AJB1983 · Apr 21, 2025

Saddlebrains said:
I will go to the grave telling anyone who will listen we won that game

It wasn't offside

If the line was drawn where it should be and always is, in front of the last defenders foot, it would have stood

The line was drawn over Wan Bissaka's foot intentionally to get the outcome wanted

We won that semi final i don't give a fuck

Watched it again yesterday - same with me, it wasn’t, but I’m at peace with it.

and the Chris Suttons of this world can say ‘offside is offside’, but not this.
To be fair the resolution of the screen and the thickness of the lines they’d never get it spot on anyway.

also, wright was actually stood more or less still and had to start running - Wan Bissaka was already running. So no advantage anyway.

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