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Match Thread Coventry City-SWFC Match Thread- Saturday 5th October (1 Viewer)

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shmmeee

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #141
skybluecam said:
Football is infinite in the sense that when a player has possession there are an infinite number of things they could do with it; dribble in any direction for any distance; pass any distance, any length, with any type of height on the ball; shoot at any area of the goal with any power and curl etc. On any given move in chess you have a finite number of pieces you could move in a finite number of ways.

xG is only capturing shots that actually happened - doesn't capture anything else. That's its limitation.
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If we can predict next frame of video we can predict next frame of video. You don’t need to model everything because everything isn’t relevant. You can get 98% of the way and that’s good enough.

Yes a player can do “anything” but mostly they play football and that’s within a fairly limited range. We have tons of footage, probably more than any other human activity. We can absolutely train a model to do best action prediction in football which is all xG is really.
 
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Johhny Blue

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #142
shmmeee said:
Football is absolutely not infinite, there’s a limited number of players in a limited space. The barrier to modelling isn’t resolution, we can accurately model the weather after all.

We can absolutely build a predictive model using some kind of tokenisation and traditional feature extraction from current video segmentation and labelling techniques. Even a relatively low resolution 3D grid would capture most of the relevant features of players and balls maybe you could get sophisticated with pose estimation and kinematic modelling of player body positions, but a simple CNN classifier to put them into a few minimal pose buckets would work too for player state: standing, jumping, falling, etc. time series gives you velocity and movement.

Once you’ve done that you can model goals and produce some kind of similarity metric which allows you to assign difficulty scores.

But I fully expect that’s what closed source xG models are doing.

TBH I wouldn’t be surprised if you could skip all of that these days and feed the video into a video transformer model similar to ChatGPT and get a direct prediction out. Next token prediction is what video generation models do, run a bunch of next frames predictions after training on all the football footage you can find and assess how many have the ball in the goal.
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If only I’d known that years ago when I did the pools
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #143
Sky Blue Pete said:
Was watching something or reading something and the figures of variables after about 6 moves was in the billions unless I was mishearing
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Yeah but you aren’t trying to predict an entire game and we have things like the Monte Carlo tree search algorithms used in AlphaGo that mean you don’t need a full information picture to make accurate predictions about future states.

Brute force algorithms running every possible scenario is very 1990s.
 
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ptr

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #144
Wright needs to prove he can play twice in a week, well.
 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #145
skyblue025 said:
Wednesday will park the bus and play deep so wouldn't be surprised too see BTA out wide as no space for him to run into through the middle. Other than that I'd go pretty much with the same team with Simms replacing Tats.
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Actually their front three work hard to try & press high.
shmmeee said:
Football is absolutely not infinite, there’s a limited number of players in a limited space. The barrier to modelling isn’t resolution, we can accurately model the weather after all.

We can absolutely build a predictive model using some kind of tokenisation and traditional feature extraction from current video segmentation and labelling techniques. Even a relatively low resolution 3D grid would capture most of the relevant features of players and balls maybe you could get sophisticated with pose estimation and kinematic modelling of player body positions, but a simple CNN classifier to put them into a few minimal pose buckets would work too for player state: standing, jumping, falling, etc. time series gives you velocity and movement.

Once you’ve done that you can model goals and produce some kind of similarity metric which allows you to assign difficulty scores.

But I fully expect that’s what closed source xG models are doing.

TBH I wouldn’t be surprised if you could skip all of that these days and feed the video into a video transformer model similar to ChatGPT and get a direct prediction out. Next token prediction is what video generation models do, run a bunch of next frames predictions after training on all the football footage you can find and assess how many have the ball in the goal.
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Wow , I never saw a calculator until I was 14 !!
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #146
Back to the Squad,if we want MR to survive it will be rotated however much he feels, not what we necessarily want or think, we've gone off message a bit and the owner Will be expecting his sales at the expected window and building those players Will be crucial to the next stage in the journey so don't expect or assume anything really, they're this week's hot flame, but others will be considered or consigned to the bin by some of us, don't mean the owner will concur!
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #147
Macca1987 said:
My only concern is that at the moment whoever plays on the right doesn't track back enough, leaving MVE to decide which of two players to cover
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We had about 3 different players there who all seemed to be doing the same thing - moving inside and not tracking back.

It got to the point where I wondered it it was a coaching instruction, but it couldn't have been given how much of a problem it was causing us.
 
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baldy

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #148
CovValleyBoy said:
Actually their front three work hard to try & press high.

Wow , I never saw a calculator until I was 14 !!
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55378008
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #149
baldy said:
55378008
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What's that the value of, just asking?🫣
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #150
wingy said:
What's that the value of, just asking?🫣
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Logarithmic?
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #151
baldy said:
55378008
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707
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #152
Gynnsthetonic said:
707
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ʎuunɟ oo┴
 
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thekidfromstrettoncamp

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #153
IMO the same happens on the
Macca1987 said:
My only concern is that at the moment whoever plays on the right doesn't track back enough, leaving MVE to decide which of two players to cover
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IMO the same happens on the left not only do they not track back they stand in no mans land when marking up for goalkicks .
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #154
thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
IMO the same happens on the

IMO the same happens on the left not only do they not track back they stand in no mans land when marking up for goalkicks .
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Is that oppo GK or in our favour that would be genius?
 

SleepyGinger

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #155
Watched Wednesday against Brizzle the other night and I wasn’t impressed, should be a comfortable home win. Same team but EMC for Saka. I’m gonna go 2-0 win EMC and Wright with the goals.
 
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procdoc

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #156
We must build on Tuesday with another 3 points. Can go into the break with more positivity then
 
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Mcbean

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #157
SleepyGinger said:
Watched Wednesday against Brizzle the other night and I wasn’t impressed, should be a comfortable home win. Same team but EMC for Saka. I’m gonna go 2-0 win EMC and Wright with the goals.
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with our record
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #158
Looking further ahead….https://x.com/SkySportsNews/status/1842150951961891218?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
 
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Bugsy

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #159
Good news, Saka should be back for Preston game...PUSB
 
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Pusb1

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #160
Sheaf not in the recent video uploaded of the players running around in training...
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #161
Pusb1 said:
Sheaf not in the recent video uploaded of the players running around in training...
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Nor were 10 other players
 

alexccfc99

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #162
Hope we tonk these racist bellends 8-0

And I hope whoever was with us last season hasn’t forgot their centre halves cowardly elbow on Jamie Allen which ruled him out for months
 
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Hutch11

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #163
alexccfc99 said:
Hope we tonk these racist bellends 8-0

And I hope whoever was with us last season hasn’t forgot their centre halves cowardly elbow on Jamie Allen which ruled him out for months
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Wasn't it against this lot that kitching got sent off for defending himself?

Scabby players, scabby club and scabby fan base
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #164
Hutch11 said:
Wasn't it against this lot that kitching got sent off for defending himself?

Scabby players, scabby club and scabby fan base
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That was the League game on Boxing Day where Kitch was sent off for being headbutted, Allen was clotheslined in the cup replay at home

Scabby stadium as well, awful place
 
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procdoc

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #165
At least their racist fanbase can’t boo Kasey Palmer
 
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The watchmaker

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #166
quinn1971 said:
If we want to play the same as Tuesday assante has to play up front, started the press from the front, simms doesn’t do that, feel a bit sorry for him, don’t think he’s gonna fit in to how we should be playing at home, away games maybe
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BTA starts. Surely. Dropping him after the win would be nuts and send out totally the wrong message. I love his energy and personality and I don't really get why West Brom fans don't rate him...

...but... I think we are getting a bit overexcited about what this means about him/Simms etc long term. That's pretty much the first game we've had any control over the midfield and in front of similar set ups last season Simms put in arguably more impressive performances.

Robins clearly likes calling Simms out and wants to see more from him but he is still only 23, scored 19 last season and he is a valuable asset - the obituaries are a little premature.
 
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Macca

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #167
skybluecam said:
Football is infinite in the sense that when a player has possession there are an infinite number of things they could do with it; dribble in any direction for any distance; pass any distance, any length, with any type of height on the ball; shoot at any area of the goal with any power and curl etc. On any given move in chess you have a finite number of pieces you could move in a finite number of ways.

xG is only capturing shots that actually happened - doesn't capture anything else. That's it's limitation.
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I like the bit where we score the ball in the goal
 
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David O'Day

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #168
procdoc said:
At least their racist fanbase can’t boo Kasey Palmer
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BTA has longish braids/breads so they may get confused as they aren't too smart
 
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PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #169
David O'Day said:
BTA has longish braids/breads so they may get confused as they aren't too smart
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You’re just a bunch of Clive Eakins
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #170
Macca said:
I like the bit where we score the ball in the goal
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Yeah, I just hope we, you know, kick it up the other end, and just stick one right in their fucking goal hole!
 
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Macca

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #171
Skybluekyle said:
Yeah, I just hope we, you know, kick it up the other end, and just stick one right in their fucking goal hole!
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Yep hopefully more times than they do a goal in our goal hole. Mix in a pie and 5 pints and thats football
 
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gspotgaz

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #172
alexccfc99 said:
That was the League game on Boxing Day where Kitch was sent off for being headbutted, Allen was clotheslined in the cup replay at home

Scabby stadium as well, awful place
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Was right in front of me that. One of the most baffling reds I’ve ever seen. Their lad nutted kitching about 3x and kitching just stood there
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #173
alexccfc99 said:
Hope we tonk these racist bellends 8-0

And I hope whoever was with us last season hasn’t forgot their centre halves cowardly elbow on Jamie Allen which ruled him out for months
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Only a small number have this problem. The same may be said of our fan base. The good thing is that it was dealt with.
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #174
Flying Fokker said:
Only a small number have this problem. The same may be said of our fan base. The good thing is that it was dealt with.
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Agreed.

However, there was a lot of comments online that followed the same lines as "I don't defend racism but (proceeds to defend racism)"
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #175
And yes, I chalk that up mostly to the disconnect from reality a disturbingly large amount of people have when it comes to commenting on social media.
 
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