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Match Thread Coventry City - Millwall FC Match Thread - Tuesday 20th Jan (4 Viewers)

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,716
shmmeee said:
What’s a minute of clean sheet?
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Jamesimus

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,717
Evo1883 said:
Only 4 teams have conceded less than us in fairness and thats with us playing kamikaze football

You cant deny the way we play means we can get caught , i dont think stoke have better centre halves than we do of it helps
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We were rolling the dice even at 2-1 up yesterday
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,718
Jamesimus said:
But it’s exciting isn’t it?
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Yeah it’s great but it doesn’t make Liam Kitching a good defender.
 
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Jamesimus

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,719
shmmeee said:
Yeah it’s great but it doesn’t make Liam Kitching a good defender.
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Pretty sure he’s just doing what he’s told, which I’m happy about. He’s a good footballer and if we have to play in a way that suits the players we have, then that should be the way.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 21, 2026
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shmmeee said:
Yeah it’s great but it doesn’t make Liam Kitching a good defender.
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But it does excuse some of the defending when we're so gung ho.
When we played 5atb for a period of games last year we were far tighter defensively with the same players and a far worse keeper.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 21, 2026
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You can sit with your midfielders chasing everything infront of your CBs and you can sit in a low block and concede less


Or you can take risks and get promoted to the premier league

I get sometimes its mental but weve lost 4 games
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,722
clint van damme said:
But it does excuse some of the defending when we're so gung ho.
When we played 5atb for a period of games last year we were far tighter defensively with the same players and a far worse keeper.
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We defended brilliantly at Southampton with 10 men, it's not as though the defensive skills aren't in the side.
 
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Hutch11

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  • Jan 21, 2026
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
We defended brilliantly at Southampton with 10 men, it's not as though the defensive skills aren't in the side.
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Just opened the door to "yeah but kitching didn't play in that one"
 

Jamesimus

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,724
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We defended brilliantly at Southampton with 10 men, it's not as though the defensive skills aren't in the side.
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Exactly this. Kitching and Thomas can play in a low block, but they can also play forward thinking football and that’s their strong point.

Latibeaudiere for example would be / is really good in a team playing a low block, being a ball playing centre back in a high line however is not his strong suit.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,725
Jamesimus said:
Pretty sure he’s just doing what he’s told, which I’m happy about. He’s a good footballer and if we have to play in a way that suits the players we have, then that should be the way.
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clint van damme said:
But it does excuse some of the defending when we're so gung ho.
When we played 5atb for a period of games last year we were far tighter defensively with the same players and a far worse keeper.
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Yeah I think it makes sense to use him/set us up like that. I just think Kitching is a poor defender who often loses both his man and his head and it costs us. He should have cost us two goals last night and both were rushes of blood not about his instructions. I also think him and Thomas can’t defend their box and often loses both their man. Also not related to being broken on. I actually think last ditch defending suits them both the most probably.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,726
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We defended brilliantly at Southampton with 10 men, it's not as though the defensive skills aren't in the side.
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Might want to look up the lineup for that game
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,727
shmmeee said:
Might want to look up the lineup for that game
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Don't need to, I was there.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,728
Christ the whingeing is pretty tiresome. We can sit in all games, but I can guarantee we probably wouldn't be top if we did that.
 
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Shannerz

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,729
Evo1883 said:
You cant deny the way we play means we can get caught
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Not just that, but we are often guilty of giving it away very cheaply, either in advanced areas and getting caught on the break, or with poor, risky clearances.

Millwall played very well last night, but the majority of the danger they posed was the result of lackadaisical play from us.

The goal itself was pure stupidity; not from the defenders, but Rudoni throwing himself to the floor rather than protecting the ball.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,730
clint van damme said:
But it does excuse some of the defending when we're so gung ho.
When we played 5atb for a period of games last year we were far tighter defensively with the same players and a far worse keeper.
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Check the xG for the games we played 5 atb. The strength of schedule wasn’t all that either. Ultimately, who cares if you concede just over a goal a game if you’re creating chances to score 2-4? We also scored considerably less goals back then too.

Millwall’s goal against us was pretty unstoppable, great cross and finish. The defence was set and wasn’t because we were hung ho.

The incident most frustrating was the JDS header that went straight to Azeez and he shanks it wide.
 
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Cally Fedora

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,731
shmmeee said:
To defend the box. Statistically crosses from wide are less likely to result in goals than balls into the space between fullback and CB.
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But they don’t do either.
 

Rodders1

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,732
Oggysstarjumps said:
This is the point. We're only ever going to get automatic promotion by winning a lot of games and taking risks. We were never going to be a Burnley (and nor would I want us to be).

That's why we play such a high line, with full backs bombing on. Until teams got used to it, it meant we completely blew lots of them away, especially at home. Now, they're getting wise to it. It still works, but it does mean we're vulnerable to decent teams who can break, particularly because we're asking Grimes to cover for the full backs, and he doesn't have the speed to do so.

All this is why having the best goalkeeper in the division is so important and why Rushworth is my player of the season so far. We need 8 more wins and a few draws to get to 85 points - and although it's not great for the old ticker, I'd say this is the best way to go about it.
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100%. The other point is we’re committed to this ultimately now. Which is stressful and fun and the same time!
 
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covcity4life

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,733
shmmeee said:
Yeah it’s great but it doesn’t make Liam Kitching a good defender.
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Being a good defender is what makes Liam kitching a good defender.
 

mmttww

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,734
Cally Fedora said:
But they don’t do either.
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well it works to an extent, because we've got a reasonable defensive record and we score a lot of goals. It could be better defensively but we are a chunk of points clear at the top so I'm not sure the situation is as bad as you seem to want to make out.
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,735
shmmeee said:
Yeah it’s great but it doesn’t make Liam Kitching a good defender.
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Lampard must be an incredible manager to have us on autos form throughout his tenure while starting shit defenders every week.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Jan 21, 2026
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SeaSeeEffCee said:
Lampard must be an incredible manager to have us on autos form throughout his tenure while starting shit defenders every week.
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He didn't rate lampard as a manager either
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,737
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Lampard must be an incredible manager to have us on autos form throughout his tenure while starting shit defenders every week.
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I feel like we’re going round in circles here but yeah he’s been smart in how he sets us up so it’s not such an issue.
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,738
shmmeee said:
I don’t even know what that question is supposed to mean sorry. What’s a minute of clean sheet?

We’ve conceded 4 fewer than Oxford and Portsmouth if that helps.
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I suggest you take a look at how many conservative clean sheets we have kept, Rushworth holds the record.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,739
shmmeee said:
I don’t even know what that question is supposed to mean sorry. What’s a minute of clean sheet?

We’ve conceded 4 fewer than Oxford and Portsmouth if that helps.
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So? Their defensive records aren’t that bad, the problem with those teams is the goals scored, both have less goals than games played.

5th in the league when it comes to goals conceded
- Ipswich 24
- Stoke 25
- Boro & PNE 29
- Cov & Bristol 51

Meanwhile, we’ve scored 61 goals and have a GD of +30. We’re the only team that’s averaging 2+ goals a game so mathematically, we’re averaging 2-1 every game…
 
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steve101

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,740
Brighton Sky Blue said:
With full respect to Lati for his attitude, it’s pretty damning on Woolf who cost us the best part of £4m and can’t start ahead of him
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Boicey said:
You have to worry that MVE, JDS going walkabouts while we lack the pace to cover them may be very costly in the end.
It just happens too much, it needs more control. Although we have to be honest that MVE and JDS aren't great defenders anyhow.

A shame the defenders bought in Woolf, Brau, KKH don't seem to have been a success and don't offer a better more defensive setup option.
We need one other quality defensive minded player to come in with pace to lower the risk.
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Van Ewijk's defending a 2 v 1 near the end was excellent defending. He got his distances spot on, preventing a pass to their player alone in the penalty area.
 
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Skyblueabo1111

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  • Jan 21, 2026
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shmmeee said:
Yeah it’s great but it doesn’t make Liam Kitching a good defender.
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Thought he played well, in an open system, of Frank's choosing.
 
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Skyblueabo1111

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,742
Hutch11 said:
On the flip side, them committing too many men forward could also be suicidal
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They don't play like that
 
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Skyblueabo1111

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,743
JSL said:
Is it just me or do you think our ball boys weren't briefed last night? They were particularly awful at getting the ball back to players and looked begrudging to even get off their stalls
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I don't think they could be arsed, because of the weather
 
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Skyblueabo1111

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,744
Cally Fedora said:
We can argue about the ability of our defence but in reality we play 3 at the back and one of those is Grimes. We simply don’t play with full backs. MVE and Dasilva are wide midfielders pushed right up to our wingers. You look at last night and most other home games and we could easily be 3 down at HT. But hey, that’s how we’re doing it. Enjoy the chaos.
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Do that against Norwich, we will be 3 down
 

Shannerz

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,745
steve101 said:
Van Ewijk's defending a 2 v 1 near the end was excellent defending. He got his distances spot on, preventing a pass to their player alone in the penalty area.
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I think MvE's a very good defender, but he's a very good defender who is asked to play in a very attacking way (which he is also extremely good at).

He's had a bit of a wobble in form recently, probably due to the sheer amount of work we ask of him, but he's one of the division's top players,
 
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Skyblueabo1111

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  • Jan 21, 2026
  • #1,746
MikeyMoo said:
Sakamoto coming on for the last 25-30 minutes in these last two games a nightmare for defenders, and has basically created a goal in each shift. I still think ALL our goalscorers will hit form in this run now; Rudi is the biggest worry in that regard as he does seem a bit all over the place compared to the others. These next three games a real chance to put a winning run togethor prior to the potential 6-pointer vs 'borough on Feb 16...
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Alkhen said:
Anyone worried we made hard work of that should watch this. Not the only Millwall fan to say how much effort their players put into their performance, players will raise their level to against the league leaders especially the teams chasing us. We'll be in for a lot of games like this but it's massive we now have quality in depth to switch things up and find a way to win.

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Very good.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 22, 2026
  • #1,747
Mucca Mad Boys said:
So? Their defensive records aren’t that bad, the problem with those teams is the goals scored, both have less goals than games played.

5th in the league when it comes to goals conceded
- Ipswich 24
- Stoke 25
- Boro & PNE 29
- Cov & Bristol 51

Meanwhile, we’ve scored 61 goals and have a GD of +30. We’re the only team that’s averaging 2+ goals a game so mathematically, we’re averaging 2-1 every game…
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You are about the fourth person to repeat back to me the idea that we are prioritising attack over defence and to you I say: yes?
 

Gint11

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  • Jan 22, 2026
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Got a feeling MVE ends up staying with us until he retires and becomes a club legend
 

Gint11

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  • Jan 22, 2026
  • #1,749
Got visions of him doing crowd pumps on legends day
 
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Gibbo

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  • Jan 22, 2026
  • #1,750
Ccfcisparks said:
Christ the whingeing is pretty tiresome. We can sit in all games, but I can guarantee we probably wouldn't be top if we did that.
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It's nothing to do with Lampard's strategy, high blocks, low blocks. Or any of that. That is just excuses.

It's just that JDS and Kitching are emphatically not good enough defenders for a team at our level and with our pretensions. And any amount of good passing or nifty footwork does not change that. Thomas has made himself good enough this season and MVE always has his speed to bale himself out.

Only a blind partisan can not see that neither is good enough for a top of the Championship team

I used to like KItching, but how can you when he makes so many errors and lacks the speed to get himself out of trouble
 
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