Thanks, but I’d rather you read it and (respectfully) educate yourself and learn that there are always two sides to a story, and it’s better to listen to both before making a better, informed decision.
Media have to have a point of reference to push the narrative. In football Millwall are the ones they use to paint the picture they want us to see. Every weekend they will be flair ups, fists launched and general disorder..all over the country, Millwall are not at every game..
As for racist club tag, again is media driven as it fits the narrative. Sadly many fall for it as they do in all aspects the media are involved in., no matter which side they are working for.
Anyway 3pts, no injuries .. Next....
No offence taken! It’s all good.I was massively on the wind up. I obviously realise the vast majority of Millwall fans are likely not racists and I meant no offence. I know you don’t care if I like you or not, but you seem like a nice poster.
Charlton fans on the other hand, bloody hell.
Isn’t that why every clubs opposition fans always go on about us lot wearing a lot of Stone Island caps?You’ll never convince me that Millwall fans don’t disproportionately suffer from male pattern baldness compared to other football fans though.
I get that not all Millwall fans aren't racist but the chanting when you played Everton, the reactions when players wanted to take the knee and even a fool who decided to walk down the Foleshill Road to one of the recent games you played here missyook a Gurdwara for a Mosque and got in a tizzy. Not all of you are the same but there's a lot that don't help themselves.Thanks, but I’d rather you read it and (respectfully) educate yourself and learn that there are always two sides to a story, and it’s better to listen to both before making a better, informed decision.
No one thinks about us unless we are playing them is about right.Side note, and one that I feel relevant is that I think Millwall fans singing "no-one likes us" is wildly innaccurate, I think "no-one cares about us" is far closer to the truth!
Yeah yeah anyway...what trousers do you plan on wearing to the match? There's a dress code.Isn’t that why every clubs opposition fans always go on about us lot wearing a lot of Stone Island caps?
Thankfully, for myself, I have a full head of luscious hair and have never ever in my lifetime felt the need to wear a cap of any description!
Ohhh.... I just remembered...he's bald.Leeds fans have been the worst I can ever remember. In my eyes, anyway.
I have a friend who's a Millwall fan. He's not a bad lad.
Any one catch the kerfuffle from the ball boy @ Watford / Millwall game yesterday?
Poor kid was yanked from his role a few minutes later.
There ought to be a go fund me for his bravery in the situation. #supportyourballboys
Ohhh.... I just remembered...he's bald.
And I am talking really bald..
What helped to tarnish my club was the 1977 Panorama documentary in which we were stitched up by the BBC in how they portrayed us! Even now, 50 years on, they haven’t changed - witness how the BBC recently edited two different Trump interviews together to make Trump look like a liar. They’ve been doing this sort of thing for decades and getting away with it!
Ohhh.... I just remembered...he's bald.
And I am talking really bald..
Grimes was visibly swaying from exhaustion during the first half - little worryingI think we could start the same 11 again, but we'd really need to use our subs as so many of our players look a bit leggy.
Grimes especially, Torp still looks like he struggles to play a full 90, MvE could do with a rest as could EMC. I also think Rudoni isn't quite there yet fitness wise.
Potential changes - Eccles for Torp, maybe Woolf for Lati. I can see an argument for reinstating Wright ahead of Simms, but I think that would overall be counterproductive. I'd bring Wright off the bench again around the hour mark.
Other subs I'd be looking to make would be BTA for Rudoni, KKH for MvE and Yang for EMC around 70-75mins all being well. Last sub I'd want to use for Grimes but who? Maybe have Eccles drop into Grimes position and bring on Torp/Allen? Not ideal and something you'd only really want to do if the game is comfortable. And that would mean no chance to bring on Saka for Esse.
Perfectly normal mateGrimes was visibly swaying from Mason Clark running down the wing during the first half - little worrying
It differs in different area, if you rocked up in Chinos in the corner you'd get "Tarquin give us a song, Tarquin, Tarquin give us a song"Yeah yeah anyway...what trousers do you plan on wearing to the match? There's a dress code.
That's a proper assessment and a genuinely good read. I went to our away game 2 seasons ago and me and my lad went into one of your local pubs. No problems and good chat .First of all, I don’t hate Charlton, not in the same way Coventry fans hate the Villa. I see Charlton more as an irrelevance really - a team and fan base we like to laugh at, mainly due to their delusions of grandeur in believing that their rightful place should be in the Premier League, and not slumming it down in the dreadful Championship!
Stoke City fans feel the same way. Go on both the Charlton and Stoke football forums and just read the level of entitlement that makes them think they‘re so superior to all the rest of us. It’s pathetic really, but also very, very funny. That’s why I can’t take either of those clubs seriously anymore.
I’m happy to address your sly racist inference dig because, unlike you, I know the real truth and not learnt a lot of the lies peddled about us by the tabloids and social media over the past five decades!
I‘ve been going to Millwall since 1974. I’m now 62, so I’ve seen it all. I don’t know how old you are, but back in the 70s and 80s football fans rivalry and hatred of other clubs was pretty much the norm and much more intense than it is these days. Every club back then had their fair share of hooligans and racists, even the likes of Leeds, Man Utd, Chelsea, etc.
What helped to tarnish my club was the 1977 Panorama documentary in which we were stitched up by the BBC in how they portrayed us! Even now, 50 years on, they haven’t changed - witness how the BBC recently edited two different Trump interviews together to make Trump look like a liar. They’ve been doing this sort of thing for decades and getting away with it!
Now, I’m not denying we never used to have an element of racist fans at our club, but if you were to look back at our fan base and our club (starting from the late 60’s when we signed our first black player, striker Frank Peterson in 1968) you will see that Millwall fans have always welcomed black players at our club.
Phil Walker and Trevor Lee both signed for us in 1975. They were the first Black players to truly establish themselves and become fan favourites, with Walker winning Player of the Year in 1978. Peterson may have broke the initial barrier, but Walker and Lee were the pioneers who integrated and excelled in the late 1970s, a period when such players were rare in the upper tiers of English football.
Since then we’ve had numerous black players playing for us, many of whom have won the fans player of the season award. Ah, I hear you say, but what about your treatment of other club’s black players? Yes, that did happen in the past, but it also happened with Leeds, Man Utd, Chelsea fans, etc. as well. Those clubs don’t have that stigma against them now, because they’re big boys in the Premier League, so all that nasty history gets forgotten and brushed under the carpet so as to avoid having the Premiership name tarnished by their past misdemeanours.
Unfortunately we still do have a minority of fans who like to dish out racist slurs towards opposition players, and whilst you cannot condone that behaviour, it has been heard less and less over the years down at the Den. We’ve had CCTV and microphones installed in all four stands for a number of years now, and the perpetrators of these crimes are instantly caught and banned for life.
My club has been trying to clean up its tarnished reputation for years now, yet for all that we do in our local community (which the club has won many awards for) it only takes one journalist with an agenda against us to put a spin on something, and all of the good work and things we have put into place, just gets forgotten and the racism tag rears it’s ugly head again. It’s typical lazy journalism and much of it nowadays is totally unwarranted.
Does the drummer know Violin Concerto in B minor?It differs in different area, if you rocked up in Chinos in the corner you'd get "Tarquin give us a song, Tarquin, Tarquin give us a song"
I’d like to test that hypothesis some timeIt differs in different area, if you rocked up in Chinos in the corner you'd get "Tarquin give us a song, Tarquin, Tarquin give us a song"
Esse will either start or finish the game.How nice to have genuine rotation options.
I would go with
Rushworth
MVE - Lati/Wolf - Kitch - Dasilva
Eccles - Grimes
Sakamoto - Rudoni - EMC
Wright
Yang to get 30 mins for EMC and BTA to get 20 odd mins as well
I'll get it started and if you don't give us a song it'll be "no noise from the Rugby boys"I’d like to test that hypothesis some time
Leggy??? FFS most of them just had two weeks off.I think we could start the same 11 again, but we'd really need to use our subs as so many of our players look a bit leggy.
Grimes especially, Torp still looks like he struggles to play a full 90, MvE could do with a rest as could EMC. I also think Rudoni isn't quite there yet fitness wise.
Potential changes - Eccles for Torp, maybe Woolf for Lati. I can see an argument for reinstating Wright ahead of Simms, but I think that would overall be counterproductive. I'd bring Wright off the bench again around the hour mark.
Other subs I'd be looking to make would be BTA for Rudoni, KKH for MvE and Yang for EMC around 70-75mins all being well. Last sub I'd want to use for Grimes but who? Maybe have Eccles drop into Grimes position and bring on Torp/Allen? Not ideal and something you'd only really want to do if the game is comfortable. And that would mean no chance to bring on Saka for Esse.
First of all, I don’t hate Charlton, not in the same way Coventry fans hate the Villa. I see Charlton more as an irrelevance really - a team and fan base we like to laugh at, mainly due to their delusions of grandeur in believing that their rightful place should be in the Premier League, and not slumming it down in the dreadful Championship!
Stoke City fans feel the same way. Go on both the Charlton and Stoke football forums and just read the level of entitlement that makes them think they‘re so superior to all the rest of us. It’s pathetic really, but also very, very funny. That’s why I can’t take either of those clubs seriously anymore.
I’m happy to address your sly racist inference dig because, unlike you, I know the real truth and not learnt a lot of the lies peddled about us by the tabloids and social media over the past five decades!
I‘ve been going to Millwall since 1974. I’m now 62, so I’ve seen it all. I don’t know how old you are, but back in the 70s and 80s football fans rivalry and hatred of other clubs was pretty much the norm and much more intense than it is these days. Every club back then had their fair share of hooligans and racists, even the likes of Leeds, Man Utd, Chelsea, etc.
What helped to tarnish my club was the 1977 Panorama documentary in which we were stitched up by the BBC in how they portrayed us! Even now, 50 years on, they haven’t changed - witness how the BBC recently edited two different Trump interviews together to make Trump look like a liar. They’ve been doing this sort of thing for decades and getting away with it!
Now, I’m not denying we never used to have an element of racist fans at our club, but if you were to look back at our fan base and our club (starting from the late 60’s when we signed our first black player, striker Frank Peterson in 1968) you will see that Millwall fans have always welcomed black players at our club.
Phil Walker and Trevor Lee both signed for us in 1975. They were the first Black players to truly establish themselves and become fan favourites, with Walker winning Player of the Year in 1978. Peterson may have broke the initial barrier, but Walker and Lee were the pioneers who integrated and excelled in the late 1970s, a period when such players were rare in the upper tiers of English football.
Since then we’ve had numerous black players playing for us, many of whom have won the fans player of the season award. Ah, I hear you say, but what about your treatment of other club’s black players? Yes, that did happen in the past, but it also happened with Leeds, Man Utd, Chelsea fans, etc. as well. Those clubs don’t have that stigma against them now, because they’re big boys in the Premier League, so all that nasty history gets forgotten and brushed under the carpet so as to avoid having the Premiership name tarnished by their past misdemeanours.
Unfortunately we still do have a minority of fans who like to dish out racist slurs towards opposition players, and whilst you cannot condone that behaviour, it has been heard less and less over the years down at the Den. We’ve had CCTV and microphones installed in all four stands for a number of years now, and the perpetrators of these crimes are instantly caught and banned for life.
My club has been trying to clean up its tarnished reputation for years now, yet for all that we do in our local community (which the club has won many awards for) it only takes one journalist with an agenda against us to put a spin on something, and all of the good work and things we have put into place, just gets forgotten and the racism tag rears it’s ugly head again. It’s typical lazy journalism and much of it nowadays is totally unwarranted.
MVE won't get any rest, he & Grimes are Frank's comfort blanketIt’s a pity that KKH is injured because MVE really looks as if he could do with being rested.
I guess the only other options are Lati - although FL may wish to keep him at CB - and Eccles. I would probably go with Eccles, at least for part of the game.
Down to nowt, mate. Even zero eyebrowsWhat’s the difference between bald and really bald? Are we down to the finer singular hairs?
Couple of things…I get that not all Millwall fans aren't racist but the chanting when you played Everton, the reactions when players wanted to take the knee and even a fool who decided to walk down the Foleshill Road to one of the recent games you played here missyook a Gurdwara for a Mosque and got in a tizzy. Not all of you are the same but there's a lot that don't help themselves.
Anyway, on the game.
Rushworth
MvE Woolfe/Lati Kitching JDS
Grimes Torp
Esse Rudi EMC
Simms
We can bring Saka, Wright, Yang, BTA and Eccles off the bench so should have too kuch for Millwall
2-0 or 3-1
Sadly we all have muppet fans who are embarrassment to the club and fan baseCouple of things…
Chanting at fans of other clubs has been going on since football first started having home and away fans in the same stadium. Things get tribal and the north-south divide attitude doesn’t help matters.
How many YouTube football chanting compilation videos show what Man Utd fans sing about their rivals, City, or the number of clubs that pick on the Scousers (though mainly Liverpool?) Is it still wrong for Leeds fans to hold their arms out and make aircraft engine noises to the Man Utd fans for what happened nearly 70 years ago at Munich? Of course it is. Its not nice, it’s not funny but it is macabre sense of humour that seems to be exclusive to football fans, but mostly fans from the UK.
Yes, we did boo teams when they took the knee at the Den. For two reasons.
1) All of the knee taking started in the US and collectively Millwall fans wanted no politics to enter football. That doesn’t make us racist. What it says is that politics and sport should never get into bed with one another and fans should not be used as puppets so their clubs can be seen to do “the right thing.”
2) We were eventually proved right about the BLM when investigations into their organisation revealed significant financial mismanagement, including leaders using donor funds for luxury homes and personal expenses, leading to a lack of transparency and accusations of misusing millions of dollars meant for racial justice.
If that doesn’t scream “con” to you, then I don’t know what to say. How is stealing millions of dollars meant for racial justice (to help ethnic minorities) actually helping them?
Also, there were a few (admittedly very few) UK black football players who refused to take the knee, citing as Millwall fans did, that politics had no place in football and one black footballer said that he felt that black players were “being used as puppets.”
Read the following link to get the full story.
Why increasing number of footballers have stopped taking the knee
John Barnes tells Sky News he believes "football can do nothing to change racism" and there have been signs that an increasing number of players are questioning the impact of taking the knee. So what is the future of the protest and has it achieved its aim?news.sky.com
And yes, you‘re right: some Millwall fans (a minority) do not help themselves, but the same can also be said about the small number of racist football fans from many other Prem and EFL clubs, who don’t help themselves either!
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