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Coventry City FC need 11,000 fans at every home game.... (1 Viewer)

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ms639

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #1
To avoid breaking football league's spending rules.


It only gets worse and worse, I remember a similar story when we first moved to the ricoh where i think we required 21 000 to avoid making a weekly loss.

Seems Waggot's call on fans may be for survival not investment
 

matesx

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #2
up to fans to get off their arses and get up there
 
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tom88

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #3
This is why we also need a good cup run and a game at home against a big premier league team to bump the average up
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #4
If it doesn't happen the article also says this:

'The minutes read: “If the club reached a shortfall in funds, Sisu are committed to supporting CCFC and making it a success.'

So hopefully they are not stupid enough to let it affect us.
 
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SimonGilbert

Telegraph Tea Boy
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #5
Link: http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-fc-need-11000-9801357
 

covmark

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #6
hill83 said:
If it doesn't happen the article also says this:

'The minutes read: “If the club reached a shortfall in funds, Sisu are committed to supporting CCFC and making it a success.'

So hopefully they are not stupid enough to let it affect us.
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #7
Tell me if I am wrong, but isn't is a bit stupid to base a prediction on a number significantly higher than last seasons average crowd (and I would remove the Gillingham crowd from the calc myself as it skews the reality).


Since returning to the Ricoh Arena, the club has managed to attract more than 11,000 supporters just four times - including September’s homecoming fixture against Gillingham. In 2015, the club only had one attendance above 11,000 - the last game of the season.
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If SW had used last seasons crowds without that game when 27K turned up then the answer should be...

Last Season - Total attendance 214.633 games 23 average 9.332

Realistic average = (214.633-27,306)/22 = 8514, plus a bit for luck, say 8,750

Go figure...
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #8
I would imagine the attendance needs to be higher as there's been a significant cut in ticket prices. So its either hope that increases attendance or cut the player budget.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #9
chiefdave said:
I would imagine the attendance needs to be higher as there's been a significant cut in ticket prices. So its either hope that increases attendance or cut the player budget.
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Good point.. anyway is Waggot making good decisions in your opinion? I think it is a bit hit & miss.
 

skybluelee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #10
matesx said:
up to fans to get off their arses and get up there
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It is. If somebody claims to be a Coventry supporter and can't be arsed to go to games then by definition they aren't a supporter.
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #11
skybluelee said:
It is. If somebody claims to be a Coventry supporter and can't be arsed to go to games then by definition they aren't a supporter.
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How many will be watching the games from the lounges etc with all the income going to WASPS?
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #12
'The minutes read: “If the club reached a shortfall in funds, Sisu are committed to supporting CCFC and making it a success.'

the accounts statement by the clubs auditors published in February 2015 says
"....... andof their intention to provide or source funding if required by the company to enable the company to continue as a going concern. Notwithstanding this intention there is no contractual certainty that such funding will be made available nor that loans will not be called for immediate payment"

It isn't quite that clear it would seem
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #13
Captain Dart said:
Good point.. anyway is Waggot making good decisions in your opinion? I think it is a bit hit & miss.
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To be honest I'm not entirely sure who is responsible for what these days! The playing side seems to be better run since SW has been pushed out of it.

I think there's been a lot of positives this summer, price reduction, new club shop, Nike deal etc. Do find the season ticket sales disappointing given the price.

Of course there's a hell of a lot at the club that needs to be fixed and a lot of it was caused by SW and co so its a bit early to be singing his praises!
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #14
oldfiver said:
How many will be watching the games from the lounges etc with all the income going to WASPS?
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I thought the club got a percentage of the F&B's and sold hospitality packages themselves including meals?
 

matesx

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #15
must do

12 of my mates clubbed together to get one on a season ticket
 

ms639

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #16
agreed but had we taken those figures the budget would have been absolutely dire. It seems silly to overestimate but if they feel this was necessary to be ambitious so as to atleast have some money to play with then you can see why they have done it. If we're bottom half of the table by christmas i think we'll be lucky to hit 7000


(in rsponse to comment on estimating attendance based on last season's attendance)
 

pusbccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #17
It might sound strange, but I think the club lowering season ticket prices, was a poor move. I think bar maybe a few hundred, the people who have purchased their ST's would have done so at the same prices.

They would have been better lowering the matchday tickets, especially for students and youngsters.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #18
Is it really that ambitious considering the massive reductions to prices this season?
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #19
pusbccfc said:
It might sound strange, but I think the club lowering season ticket prices, was a poor move. I think bar maybe a few hundred, the people who have purchased their ST's would have done so at the same prices.

They would have been better lowering the matchday tickets, especially for students and youngsters.
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They've lowered the matchday prices as well haven't they?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #20
Captain Dart said:
Tell me if I am wrong, but isn't is a bit stupid to base a prediction on a number significantly higher than last seasons average crowd (and I would remove the Gillingham crowd from the calc myself as it skews the reality).



If SW had used last seasons crowds without that game when 27K turned up then the answer should be...

Last Season - Total attendance 214.633 games 23 average 9.332

Realistic average = (214.633-27,306)/22 = 8514, plus a bit for luck, say 8,750

Go figure...
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You have to include the gillingham game as your calculation includes 2 Sixfields matches.
 

no_loyalty

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #21
skybluelee said:
It is. If somebody claims to be a Coventry supporter and can't be arsed to go to games then by definition they aren't a supporter.
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I disagree Lee, I had a season ticket from the late eighties up until the season we got relegated from the Championship, I am now only averaging 10-15 games a season due to the fact that the standard of football is poor and the incompetent fools who run our club
 

skybluelee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #22
no_loyalty said:
I disagree Lee, I had a season ticket from the late eighties up until the season we got relegated from the Championship, I am now only averaging 10-15 games a season due to the fact that the standard of football is poor and the incompetent fools who run our club
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So by definition you are less of a supporter than you used to be. Unless your personal circumstances have changed which isn't suggested in your post.
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #23
oldskyblue58 said:
I thought the club got a percentage of the F&B's and sold hospitality packages themselves including meals?
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Well you would probably know better than me !
 

no_loyalty

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #24
skybluelee said:
So by definition you are less of a supporter than you used to be. Unless your personal circumstances have changed which isn't suggested in your post.
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Just pissed off watching shite football, and fed up with the owners to be honest
 

pusbccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #25
CCFC said:
They've lowered the matchday prices as well haven't they?
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Yeah, if you want to sit in the middle of the Tesco stand it is now cheaper, but no real change elsewhere. The walk up price is £20 which I feel puts people off (despite not being that much for a football match).
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #26
oldfiver said:
Well you would probably know better than me !
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why don't you have access to the clubs own website and the SCG minutes? ...... surely you must
 
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blueflint

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #27
obviously i don't support city any more as will continue NOPM i will not do a four hundred mile round trip to put money into SISU's coffers
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #28
Grendel said:
You have to include the gillingham game as your calculation includes 2 Sixfields matches.
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Fair enough, taking out those 2 game I'd forgotten about

Realistic average = (214.633-27,306-2279-2376)/20 = 9133

I don't think the lowered prices will increase the crowds as much as SW projected, 10K is my guess for now, if TM sorts things out then the 11K will happen, but not before.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #29
no_loyalty said:
I disagree Lee, I had a season ticket from the late eighties up until the season we got relegated from the Championship, I am now only averaging 10-15 games a season due to the fact that the standard of football is poor and the incompetent fools who run our club
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Edited - irrational
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #30
blueflint said:
obviously i don't support city any more as will continue NOPM i will not do a four hundred mile round trip to put money into SISU's coffers
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Obviously not, stroll on then eh.
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #31
oldskyblue58 said:
why don't you have access to the clubs own website and the SCG minutes? ...... surely you must
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http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-rfc-strike-195m-ricoh-9568087

I cannot find the article but somewhere I have read CCFC keep their agreed share of the concourse income

The deal above relies heavily on WASPS filling the lounges so they are squeezing CCFC out ( as reported by SW ) to help repay the Compass deal
 
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oldfiver

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #32
Originally Posted by blueflint

obviously i don't support city any more as will continue NOPM i will not do a four hundred mile round trip to put money into SISU's coffers


fernandopartridge said:
Obviously not, stroll on then eh.
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It is probably a lost cause trying to convince them that do not want to be!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #33
blueflint said:
obviously i don't support city any more as will continue NOPM i will not do a four hundred mile round trip to put money into SISU's coffers
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But will moan about not signing big name players on big wages still.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #34
In fairness to no loyalty I was wrong to call him fair-weather. 10-15 games is a lot better than nothing and better than some of the pretenders on here.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Aug 6, 2015
  • #35
oldfiver said:
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-rfc-strike-195m-ricoh-9568087

I cannot find the article but somewhere I have read CCFC keep their agreed share of the concourse income

The deal above relies heavily on WASPS filling the lounges so they are squeezing CCFC out ( as reported by SW ) to help repay the Compass deal
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There are details given re F&B in the SCG minutes published on the CCFC website

Interesting last sentence to that article :thinking about:

you seem to know more than me about the contractual arrangements and whats going on behind the scenes so.....

What have Wasps got to repay Compass? Is there a minimum level of turnover that Wasps guarantee Compass? are Compass costs fixed or do they flex with demand?

So the deal with Compass is heavily reliant on twenty three days income generated during CCFC use of the stadium then?

Did any of the other events using the lounges pre-date the return to the Ricoh by CCFC?

When CCFC negotiated the contract to return why didn't they block book the lounges so that they were available to CCFC - my guess is they didn't want to take the financial risk in case they didn't sell enough packages? Or could they have block booked in this pre season?

Do the restrictions apply to all games? Will Wasps be booking in new events that clash or do CCFC have first call in future, which you might think would be a priority to obtain given the need for turnover.

What are CCFC doing about negotiating a better position?

and no I do not know the answers to the above
 
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