fernandopartridge
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Why then, considering the alleged potential of the club, was there only one serious bidder in 2007 where the vague offer of half of the Ricoh was still on the table? Anyone know?
Ranson signed 2 players, then promptly sold them the following close season. (Dann and Fox)As far as anyone can tell money isn't being taken out so as I see it increasing the crowds does two things:
1) increases the money coming in to the club therefore giving us more to spend. Sure when it comes to it that might not happen but that's a fight to have then rather than just dismissing the idea on the basis of something that may or may not happen.
2) makes us more attractive to potential new owners. If people see good crowds they are more likely to be interested. Its all well and good saying people know crowds will come back if SISU don't but how does anyone, particularly non-CCFC fans who haven't followed things closely, know that. Its basically Ranson's plan repeated. He thought he'd come in, sign some players and crowds would increase. When they didn't his plan fell apart.
Ranson signed 2 players, then promptly sold them the following close season. (Dann and Fox)
Would you like me to explain it to you?.... Every season since they took charge, the budget has deteriorated. After our best finish in over 40+ years under Mowbray the budget increased dramatically.... Did it fuck!!! IT DROPPED!!!................Again!.....Very strange eh? averaging 14k-15k crowds for the "WHOLE season. Don't you think it would have gone up on the strength of those crowds???So when our crowds were bigger (in the championship) our budget wasn't bigger than now?
Or was it Ranson's 3rd party financing company?I'm convinced there was a bit of third party ownership involved in those deals even though it wasn't allowed, I've a good idea who as well.
Yes the hospitality stands out - it would be interesting to see the matching direct costs - so do a number of other things I pointed to
However the one figure that stuck in my mind was the wages costs that were 5.1m in L2 and they still broke even on the profit & loss.
Entirely different set up I know and yes they have had assistance financial and otherwise but the "fans" seem to be doing a decent job in safeguarding their team so far .
A fans buy out for CCFC has four problems above all
- getting a willing seller at a realistic price
- raising the money from fans or partners
- the creating working capital once they have control
- managing the expectations that CCFC is a big club when in reality it can not afford to be for the immediate future (3 or 4 years at least)
Plenty of problems to overcome but worth exploring ........ probably works best with high net worth partners and buying out of administration..... important thing is to be in a state of readiness in case the club existence really does become an issue, a safety net
Ooooo juicy goss.... Spill!I'm convinced there was a bit of third party ownership involved in those deals even though it wasn't allowed, I've a good idea who as well.
Ian Dowie's brother deserves that honour FP. He was the scout to Dowie. Ian Dowie was at "The Bescott" till midnight to make sure the deal went throughOr was it Ranson's 3rd party financing company?
Tim Flowers was taking credit for scouting and signing Fox and Dann, I don't think Ranson deserves much credit for it as it wasn't his idea.
Yes the hospitality stands out - it would be interesting to see the matching direct costs - so do a number of other things I pointed to
However the one figure that stuck in my mind was the wages costs that were 5.1m in L2 and they still broke even on the profit & loss.
Entirely different set up I know and yes they have had assistance financial and otherwise but the "fans" seem to be doing a decent job in safeguarding their team so far .
A fans buy out for CCFC has four problems above all
- getting a willing seller at a realistic price
- raising the money from fans or partners
- the creating working capital once they have control
- managing the expectations that CCFC is a big club when in reality it can not afford to be for the immediate future (3 or 4 years at least)
Plenty of problems to overcome but worth exploring ........ probably works best with high net worth partners and buying out of administration..... important thing is to be in a state of readiness in case the club existence really does become an issue, a safety net
Point 1 relies on trust Dave. Good luck with that.As far as anyone can tell money isn't being taken out so as I see it increasing the crowds does two things:
1) increases the money coming in to the club therefore giving us more to spend. Sure when it comes to it that might not happen but that's a fight to have then rather than just dismissing the idea on the basis of something that may or may not happen.
2) makes us more attractive to potential new owners. If people see good crowds they are more likely to be interested. Its all well and good saying people know crowds will come back if SISU don't but how does anyone, particularly non-CCFC fans who haven't followed things closely, know that. Its basically Ranson's plan repeated. He thought he'd come in, sign some players and crowds would increase. When they didn't his plan fell apart.
better do my hair.Will be broadcasting the meeting live on Periscope tonight. Just go on my Twitter profile and it'll be on there.
Point 1 relies on trust Dave. Good luck with that.
Point 2, what timescale do you think Ranson was given to achieve promotion? Seems to me Sisu panicked, Ranson was fired and plan b was rolled out to disastrous effect.
Would you like me to explain it to you?.... Every season since they took charge, the budget has deteriorated. After our best finish in over 40+ years under Mowbray the budget increased dramatically.... Did it fuck!!! IT DROPPED!!!................Again!.....Very strange eh? averaging 14k-15k crowds for the "WHOLE season. Don't you think it would have gone up on the strength of those crowds???
No acrimony between he and Sisu then?Ranson resigned after the football league started investigating his loans to another club while still chairman of ours
No acrimony between he and Sisu then?
The prices were massively reduced last year.Would you like me to explain it to you?.... Every season since they took charge, the budget has deteriorated. After our best finish in over 40+ years under Mowbray the budget increased dramatically.... Did it fuck!!! IT DROPPED!!!................Again!.....Very strange eh? averaging 14k-15k crowds for the "WHOLE season. Don't you think it would have gone up on the strength of those crowds???
July 2009 we sold Dann and Fox. So before they went under Ranson we'd also paid money for Eastwood, Westward, Gunnarson, McPake and Bell.Ranson signed 2 players, then promptly sold them the following close season. (Dann and Fox)
No because the ticket prices were way Lower were they not? We also never hit amazing crowds last year did we. We had one or two over 15k and that's it. Our average attendance was actually 12k. Unfortunately they made a massive error with ticketing prices. Maybe if Mowbray hadn't fucked up, we'd have got promoted and this wouldn't be such an issue
Depends what you believe happened mate. According to Ranson he offered his resignation not once, but twice. The first time Hoffman talked him out of it, but he(Ranson) claimed he'd had enough of SISU selling players and finally resigned because of that.... Grenduffy thinks differently.
Will someone be giving live updates on here from the trust meeting tonight?
If you check @cjoiner I think on twitter you may find some info.Will someone be giving live updates on here from the trust meeting tonight?
It really is that simple.NO income No company !!!
12,570 last season, 9,332 the season before. Tickets £18-20 last season, £22-27 season before.
Do you think ticket revenues were more last season or the season before?
Why was he loaning Cardiff city money on high interest rates to buy players while chairman do you think?
Is that something a person of integrity would do in your opinion?
Do you think you're more of a condescending prick, this season, or last season?12,570 last season, 9,332 the season before. Tickets £18-20 last season, £22-27 season before.
Do you think ticket revenues were more last season or the season before?
Must be an important event, CJ isn't in shorts! The web stream is live here:
CJ Joiner on Periscope
Do you think you're more of a condescending prick, this season, or last season?
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