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Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #36
SkyBlueRuffian said:
it has the same principles yes.
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So what you are saying is if the owners swap places all of our issues will be resolved?


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Chipfat

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #37
covmartin said:
It's correct that Coventry Sphinx have been around for a while and have made progress to Step 5 in the Non League Pyramid. Cov Utd are now in the same Division (currently below the Sphinx). The accusation that Coventry Sphinx have no ambition is not true but we do live within our means unlike some non league clubs out there. Sphinx are ambitious but will not put the club at risk chasing a dream. A small increase in attendances can make a big difference at this level and we've already seen an increase in attendances in the early stages of this season. We as a club are full of hard working volunteers with alot of those also supporters of Coventry City.
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I done some coaching for the academy kids a few years back, some good people there at he time, clubs like this needs encouraged i know Dev and Dion spent some time there as youngsters.
 

SkyBlueRuffian

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #38
skyblue1991 said:
So what you are saying is if the owners swap places all of our issues will be resolved?


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Well I've meat the owners of Cov Utd and they're not faceless cunts like ours.
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #39
Given it was publicly known talks began in 2015 regarding this move why is this even being discussed?
 

Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #40
SkyBlueRuffian said:
Well I've meat the owners of Cov Utd and they're not faceless cunts like ours.
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So is that a yes or a no?

Forget if you've met them or not, or even if they are a nice bunch of people; do you think they can run this football club?

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Grendel

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #41
skyblue1991 said:
So is that a yes or a no?

Forget if you've met them or not, or even if they are a nice bunch of people; do you think they can run this football club?

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They couldn't - they wouldn't know where to start.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #42
dongonzalos said:
Our strength is its a one club city.
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Which was also a weakness SISU tried to manipulate.
 

SkyBlueRuffian

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #43
skyblue1991 said:
So is that a yes or a no?

Forget if you've met them or not, or even if they are a nice bunch of people; do you think they can run this football club?

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Yes they could, no problem.
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #44
Gazolba said:
The Sphinx have been around forever. They have no ambition and are going nowhere. Cov United at least want to get somewhere. Coventry need a viable second club, lots of cities and towns smaller than us have them.
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The Sphinx, I wonder if they would be interested in ground sharing . :jawdrop:
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #45
To me it is another in a long line of events indicating an unwillingness to want to work with SISU as all they will do is stitch you up or screw you in court

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 

italiahorse

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #46
Grendel said:
They couldn't - they wouldn't know where to start.
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Sisu didnt know where to start but more relevant they are clueless on finishing.
Come to think about it a bit like our strikers they financed.
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #47
Grendel said:
They couldn't - they wouldn't know where to start.
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Oh I bet they could do better then your bed mates.
Start by getting the fans back on side.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #48
SkyblueBazza said:
To me it is another in a long line of events indicating an unwillingness to want to work with SISU as all they will do is stitch you up or screw you in court

...onwards & upwards PUSB
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Cov united opened talks in 2015 - I assume you know that?
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #49
italiahorse said:
Sisu didnt know where to start but more relevant they are clueless on finishing.
Come to think about it a bit like our strikers they financed.
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Didn't know where to start? You used to be very fond of then.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #50
Grendel said:
Cov united opened talks in 2015 - I assume you know that?
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Is that relevant?

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #51
SkyblueBazza said:
Is that relevant?

...onwards & upwards PUSB
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It's entirely relevant - you stated an unwillingness to work with sisu which implied that's the reason they are playing there. It isn't. They wanted to move - no changes need to be made in terms of ground alterations and they move in. It's nothing to do with sisu you buffoon.
 

Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #52
SkyBlueRuffian said:
Yes they could, no problem.
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What makes you think that out of interest? What makes you think that just because they can do it in non league and then make the step up?

Personally I don't think they can and like Grendel says I don't think they'd know where to start.

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Super Graham Withey

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #53
AFCCOVENTRY said:
Interestinhttp://www.coventryrugby.co.uk/2016/09/09/statement-on-coventry-utd-fc/g statement from them:

"Coventry City FC have known about this development and have expressed their support."
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It is interesting. Don't bet against Coventry United picking up the golden share one day.
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #54
Super Graham Withey said:
It is interesting. Don't bet against Coventry United picking up the golden share one day.
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How would that work? It would be their owners buying our club wouldn't it?

Are you suggesting they would buy it, change our name and colours?
 
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Eivissa

Member
  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #55
covmartin said:
It's correct that Coventry Sphinx have been around for a while and have made progress to Step 5 in the Non League Pyramid. Cov Utd are now in the same Division (currently below the Sphinx). The accusation that Coventry Sphinx have no ambition is not true but we do live within our means unlike some non league clubs out there. Sphinx are ambitious but will not put the club at risk chasing a dream. A small increase in attendances can make a big difference at this level and we've already seen an increase in attendances in the early stages of this season. We as a club are full of hard working volunteers with alot of those also supporters of Coventry City.
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Brilliant post. Sphinx are a club close to my heart. People need to realise they have reached the step on the pyramid with limited resources. Without increased consistent backing all that hard work could and would be undone after a season. They have representative sides from 7 year olds upwards which is a brilliant achievement in itself. Cov Utd do not have that depth yet but I wish them all the best.

FYI they play each other boxing day. Sure to be a cracking match.
 
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Super Graham Withey

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #56
chiefdave said:
How would that work? It would be their owners buying our club wouldn't it?

Are you suggesting they would buy it, change our name and colours?
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Other than the golden share what is there to buy? I think SISU may just walk away at the end of next season, I can see no evidence of them being interested in football at present. The golden share is a right to play league football, I think they could transfer that to football people in the city and walk away. They get to keep their legal proceedings, whatever they are worth.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #57
Eivissa said:
Brilliant post. Sphinx are a club close to my heart. People need to realise they have reached the step on the pyramid with limited resources. Without increased consistent backing all that hard work could and would be undone after a season. They have representative sides from 7 year olds upwards which is a brilliant achievement in itself. Cov Utd do not have that depth yet but I wish them all the best.

FYI they play each other boxing day. Sure to be a cracking match.
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Actually Coventry Utd have U9 to U13 and U21 sides as well as their first team.

Their Ladies side was formerly Cov City Ladies & they play in FA Women's Premier League Southern Division. The ladies have U9 to U13 and U21 sides too.

and they have a football academy, http://wearescl.co.uk/coventry-united-fc

Quite a lot of depth for under 4 years years since inception.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #58
Super Graham Withey said:
Other than the golden share what is there to buy?
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If the club ceases to exist that will be it the share won't be reallocated to someone else so the only way they would get it is by buying the club, presumably out of administration. What you're describing is a similar manner to how the Pompey supporters trust took over, the league told the administrator they would not consider issuing the golden share to any other potential buyer.

But you also take on the debt, sure it will probably be on a pence in the pound basis but there will still be debt. And you will inherit all the player contracts and, if there is one in place at the time, any stadium contract.

So lets say SISU walk away at the end of the season and Cov United buy the club out of administration. What happens then? We still don't have an academy base, we still don't have a stadium deal, we're still a L1 club without access to revenues other clubs have.
 

hutch1972

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #59
covmartin said:
It's correct that Coventry Sphinx have been around for a while and have made progress to Step 5 in the Non League Pyramid. Cov Utd are now in the same Division (currently below the Sphinx). The accusation that Coventry Sphinx have no ambition is not true but we do live within our means unlike some non league clubs out there. Sphinx are ambitious but will not put the club at risk chasing a dream. A small increase in attendances can make a big difference at this level and we've already seen an increase in attendances in the early stages of this season. We as a club are full of hard working volunteers with alot of those also supporters of Coventry City.
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Cov united will find that being promoted beyond the division they are currently in, will be unlikely if not impossible.
With only 1 team promoted each season the risk of overspending and then finding yourselves chasing the one spot could be a disaster.
Cov sphinx have to bear this in mind , not only for the 1st team but the hundreds of youngsters who play there.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #60
I don't think a golden share can be transferred from one club to another. The only way Cov United would gain one is by buying CCFC and merging the two clubs or obtaining one in it's own right through successive promotion's. Out of those two scenarios if you consider how far they've moved forward and how far we've moved back the latter scenario is more likely and they'll pass us when moving up while we're moving down.
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #61
hutch1972 said:
Cov united will find that being promoted beyond the division they are currently in, will be unlikely if not impossible.
With only 1 team promoted each season the risk of overspending and then finding yourselves chasing the one spot could be a disaster.
Cov sphinx have to bear this in mind , not only for the 1st team but the hundreds of youngsters who play there.
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That is the same for every club.
But you have to dream and try and be the best.
 
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hutch1972

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #62
To put it politely ,
A team called united, wearing red and white being no1 in this city !!!
Not a fking chance.
 

hutch1972

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #63
letsallsingtogether said:
That is the same for every club.
But you have to dream and try and be the best.
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As you say , you can dream but unless you have money to burn or have a lucky season , the dream stops here.
letsallsingtogether said:
That is the same for every club.
But you have to dream and try and be the best.
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #64
Grendel said:
It's entirely relevant - you stated an unwillingness to work with sisu which implied that's the reason they are playing there. It isn't. They wanted to move - no changes need to be made in terms of ground alterations and they move in. It's nothing to do with sisu you buffoon.
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It isn't relevant at all. If SISU had gone in with an offer they couldn't refuse we would have a deal. As it is they've simply fucked about & toyed with things to upset someone else's apple cart just to make it appear they are seriously seeking a proper agreement somewhere...pacifying buffoons like you!

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 
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Super Graham Withey

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #65
chiefdave said:
If the club ceases to exist that will be it the share won't be reallocated to someone else so the only way they would get it is by buying the club, presumably out of administration. What you're describing is a similar manner to how the Pompey supporters trust took over, the league told the administrator they would not consider issuing the golden share to any other potential buyer.

But you also take on the debt, sure it will probably be on a pence in the pound basis but there will still be debt. And you will inherit all the player contracts and, if there is one in place at the time, any stadium contract.

So lets say SISU walk away at the end of the season and Cov United buy the club out of administration. What happens then? We still don't have an academy base, we still don't have a stadium deal, we're still a L1 club without access to revenues other clubs have.
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I don't disagree with any of that and it's no silver bullet. Struggling to see a way out of this mess to be honest though, as I suspect are our owners!
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #66
chiefdave said:
If the club ceases to exist that will be it the share won't be reallocated to someone else so the only way they would get it is by buying the club, presumably out of administration. What you're describing is a similar manner to how the Pompey supporters trust took over, the league told the administrator they would not consider issuing the golden share to any other potential buyer.

But you also take on the debt, sure it will probably be on a pence in the pound basis but there will still be debt. And you will inherit all the player contracts and, if there is one in place at the time, any stadium contract.

So lets say SISU walk away at the end of the season and Cov United buy the club out of administration. What happens then? We still don't have an academy base, we still don't have a stadium deal, we're still a L1 club without access to revenues other clubs have.
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It (the golden share) can be awarded to anyone the FL deems worthy I think? They do this to keep the numbers right throughout the FL. That doesn't automatically mean another club in Coventry though!

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #67
Chipfat said:
I honestly think its being driven by CCC with Wasps as front seat passengers, together they are a very strong partnership and in a very strong position within the city now. I knew about Wasps way before Sisu moved the club to NTFC, a plan to move to the Ricoh had been in place for a very long time before it happened. Sisu days are numbered in this city and them moving to Northampton allowed all to gain what we see today, while Sisu thought breaking a lease contract was a great idea, the others involved were plotting the move and sealing every avenue for them to come back with no leverage around any table with any party within the city.

The above is true, which what makes me think CCC and Wasps are the instigators and have a bigger plan, what the plan or overall outcome is i would be guessing then?. And this is where me a a certain few disagree, time will tell us all, but something is going to change and a decision or action to force Sisu out will become very clear. Remember Sisu have said it already "the club is being forced out" they have worded it as the club, the ones forcing it are quietly doing it as "forcing Sisu out".

Nick will be onto me again but time will make me out to be a liar or a David Icke follower!! either way im not really bothered, we will still be in the shit but all still want the club to be the best it can be.
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So what are you thinking?
How exactly is this deal done with the intention of screwing over SISU?

The only way I could see that, is if another Northampton happens maybe people will go to this instead?

Not sure how else it could do?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #68
Chipfat said:
I honestly think its being driven by CCC with Wasps as front seat passengers, together they are a very strong partnership and in a very strong position within the city now. I knew about Wasps way before Sisu moved the club to NTFC, a plan to move to the Ricoh had been in place for a very long time before it happened. Sisu days are numbered in this city and them moving to Northampton allowed all to gain what we see today, while Sisu thought breaking a lease contract was a great idea, the others involved were plotting the move and sealing every avenue for them to come back with no leverage around any table with any party within the city.

The above is true, which what makes me think CCC and Wasps are the instigators and have a bigger plan, what the plan or overall outcome is i would be guessing then?. And this is where me a a certain few disagree, time will tell us all, but something is going to change and a decision or action to force Sisu out will become very clear. Remember Sisu have said it already "the club is being forced out" they have worded it as the club, the ones forcing it are quietly doing it as "forcing Sisu out".

Nick will be onto me again but time will make me out to be a liar or a David Icke follower!! either way im not really bothered, we will still be in the shit but all still want the club to be the best it can be.
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For the record, I don't make out you are a liar I agree with most of the thoughts.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #69
SkyblueBazza said:
It (the golden share) can be awarded to anyone the FL deems worthy I think? They do this to keep the numbers right throughout the FL. That doesn't automatically mean another club in Coventry though!

...onwards & upwards PUSB
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I would think it's more likely that it would just save someone from relegation at the end of said season to readdress the numbers.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Sep 9, 2016
  • #70
Nick said:
For the record, I don't make out you are a liar I agree with most of the thoughts.
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I was going to say!

It seems to me chipfat is saying the same as you, SISU and a couple of others. That lots of these decisions by various different organisations are all interlinked and are part of a bigger picture to screw over SISU.
So I can't see why you would call him a liar.
 
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