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  • Start date Jul 11, 2023
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napolimp

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  • Feb 1, 2025
  • #351
Nick said:
A bike lane isn't a viable replacement for cars though.

Like I said if we had decent trams and public transport it would be well worth the short term pain while it was being built.

When you have people saying "use a bike" just shows they clearly aren't in the real world for most scenarios.
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It's not for everyone, but it will be suitable for some people. And if it doesn't exist, people can't use it.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 1, 2025
  • #352
napolimp said:
It's not for everyone, but it will be suitable for some people. And if it doesn't exist, people can't use it.
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I'm sure some people would find a horse and carriage lane suitable too.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 1, 2025
  • #353
Nick said:
Yes, making the infrastructure smaller increases it more.

It's really not hard to grasp.
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No the amount of traffic remains the same. Offering alternatives to driving reduces it. More roads = more cars is a fairly well established fact: How Does Roadway Expansion Cause More Traffic? | Blog | Science Museum of Virginia.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 1, 2025
  • #354
shmmeee said:
No the amount of traffic remains the same. Offering alternatives to driving reduces it. More roads = more cars is a fairly well established fact: How Does Roadway Expansion Cause More Traffic? | Blog | Science Museum of Virginia.
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I'm still not sure you get it, if you decrease the infrastructure and cause a bottleneck. It causes more traffic.

The only way it will reduce it is if everybody suddenly decides to use a bike and again, it's not really viable for a lot of people.

If the council and whoever want more people in the city centre then they have to decide how they want them to get there. If they want everybody on bikes, fine. What are those people going to do in town once they arrive on their bike? Where are they going to put it so that it isn't stolen?

If there was better public transport, people could leave their cars at home. They aren't all going to suddenly get a bike.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 1, 2025
  • #355
Nick said:
I'm sure some people would find a horse and carriage lane suitable too.
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Get them built!
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 14, 2025
  • #356
Whats this all about? Something planned for the weekend?
We have introduced special powers in Coventry city centre this morning (Fri) following reports of organised antisocial behaviour.
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 14, 2025
  • #357
chiefdave said:
Whats this all about? Something planned for the weekend?
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Well I was going to do some organised antisocial behaviour but now that’s out the window!
 
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CCfC2023

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  • Feb 14, 2025
  • #358
Yesterday i noticed to plain clothes officers in a unmarked car at high speed down Longfellow Road . A few hours later i was in the precinct by HMV and they where both walking around . It did seem strange at the time . And sometime you just get a feel for plain clothes cops by there gear . I think there is a lot of selling of hard drugs in the city centre at the moment .
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 14, 2025
  • #359
Weird, schools emailing about it too although nobody mentions what the planned violence is?
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 14, 2025
  • #360
CCfC2023 said:
Yesterday i noticed to plain clothes officers in a unmarked car at high speed down Longfellow Road . A few hours later i was in the precinct by HMV and they were both walking around . It did seem strange at the time . And sometime you just get a feel for plain clothes cops by there gear . I think there is a lot of selling of hard drugs in the city centre at the moment .
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Isn’t that always illegal? This whole “we’ve got special powers just in the city centre just this weekend” is a bit weird.
 

mmttww

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 14, 2025
  • #361
shmmeee said:
Well I was going to do some organised antisocial behaviour but now that’s out the window!
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Unlicenced music events, Covid lockdown style?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 14, 2025
  • #362
Nick said:
People are pointing out that it's causing much more traffic than relieving.
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The only thing that causes traffic is drivers nick

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andy86

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #363
Bistro Pierre closing in town. Another empty until at Cathedral Lanes.
 
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mmttww

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #364

Interesting clip going into detail re: the City Centre South work with a lot of visuals. Only thing that looks a bit sh*t is the Pavillion thing in Bull Yard which looks like a crap Boxpark. Just leave it as a square FFS!
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #365
mmttww said:

Interesting clip going into detail re: the City Centre South work with a lot of visuals. Only thing that looks a bit sh*t is the Pavillion thing in Bull Yard which looks like a crap Boxpark. Just leave it as a square FFS!
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Hate the pavilion thing. I don't understand the logic of knocking stuff down, with the justification of opening up the space, to then build something to block it off again. Especially with how many empty buildings there are.

Just leave it open and if at some point in the future there's a need for it then build it.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #366
chiefdave said:
Hate the pavilion thing. I don't understand the logic of knocking stuff down, with the justification of opening up the space, to then build something to block it off again. Especially with how many empty buildings there are.

Just leave it open and if at some point in the future there's a need for it then build it.
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I hate it too.

Probably there for viability so they can add on the rent/rates for the building.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #367
If it’s like a small scale Rotterdam market hall I could dig it. Lots of food and drink stands market style.
 
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mmttww

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #368
shmmeee said:
If it’s like a small scale Rotterdam market hall I could dig it. Lots of food and drink stands market style.
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It's where it is that's daft. It basically contradicts their whole brief - open up spaces, make routes visible etc. It's been plonked right in the middle of what looks like it was originally going to be an open space.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 29, 2025
  • #369
mmttww said:

Interesting clip going into detail re: the City Centre South work with a lot of visuals. Only thing that looks a bit sh*t is the Pavillion thing in Bull Yard which looks like a crap Boxpark. Just leave it as a square FFS!
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That's the old design, it's been changed since then so the buildings around it are generally taller. We don't need any more wind swept squares, if the pavilion is active frontages all around it it'll be good.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 29, 2025
  • #370
We’ve got the cathedral square, broad gate, the precinct fountain, Belgrade plaza, outside the transport museum, its not like we’re lacking in squares, more things to bring life to them.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #371
What I don’t get is why it’s so empty. The notion people don’t shop in centres is a myth if you go to other cities
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #372
Grendel said:
What I don’t get is why it’s so empty. The notion people don’t shop in centres is a myth if you go to other cities
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I think ours suffers more for a few reasons.

1. We have a lot of out of town retail parks on old industrial sites that take a lot of business away.
2. We don't have a huge amount of other sort of workers, like office workers, in the city centre. Even a lot of council stuff is moving a bit further out.
3. The ring road has made the journey from close lying suburbs a quite unpleasant one, with subways etc. so a lot of people from those areas that would normally use the city centre don't.
4. There are certain services that are not available in the city centre that would increase usage. Hospital is one
5. We have Birmingham so a lot of businesses open there and with the extra choice Coventrians shop there. Snobby people would probably prefer places like Warwick and Leamington because they're perceived to be classier.

These all then help lead to the fact that less shops etc open in our city centre, pushing more people away and so the vicious cycle continues.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #373
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I think ours suffers more for a few reasons.

1. We have a lot of out of town retail parks on old industrial sites that take a lot of business away.
2. We don't have a huge amount of other sort of workers, like office workers, in the city centre. Even a lot of council stuff is moving a bit further out.
3. The ring road has made the journey from close lying suburbs a quite unpleasant one, with subways etc. so a lot of people from those areas that would normally use the city centre don't.
4. There are certain services that are not available in the city centre that would increase usage. Hospital is one
5. We have Birmingham so a lot of businesses open there and with the extra choice Coventrians shop there. Snobby people would probably prefer places like Warwick and Leamington because they're perceived to be classier.

These all then help lead to the fact that less shops etc open in our city centre, pushing more people away and so the vicious cycle continues.
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I wonder if the Ikea building might be a decent location to deliver some NHS services, I suspect a cultural centre will go down like a lead balloon in Coventry.

There are a few services at the old Coventry & Warwick site that could probably be relocated.
 
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cowboy1850

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #374
With the very high cost of property in the city centre, who is buying all of these new apartments?

I think people who can or want to pay £1000+ per month for apartment living are in the minority.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #375
Grendel said:
What I don’t get is why it’s so empty. The notion people don’t shop in centres is a myth if you go to other cities
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I bang this drum over and over again. Those in charge are let off far too easily with the 'it's the same everywhere' attitude when it really isn't.

You go to other city centres and they're bustling with activity day and night. People only visit our city centre if they have a specific reason and they get in and out as quickly as possible.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #376
cowboy1850 said:
With the very high cost of property in the city centre, who is buying all of these new apartments?

I think people who can or want to pay £1000+ per month for apartment living are in the minority.
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This is why we have a housing market.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #377
Why are the buildings so tall, it's just going to create shade and no aspect of space. You go to Nottingham, Oxford, Leicester there is hardly anything over 3 storeys. They feel open and airy.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #378
Gynnsthetonic said:
Why are the buildings so tall, it's just going to create shade and no aspect of space. You go to Nottingham, Oxford, Leicester there is hardly anything over 3 storeys. They feel open and airy.
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The obvious answer is economics. More floors = more rentable space = more viable proposal (supposedly).

Also modern cities have taller buildings. Without them the places feel more like a quaint little town than a major city. Wouldn't want them to be everywhere, but a few strategically placed is fine. And in architecture circles these wouldn't be considered particularly tall.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #379
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
The obvious answer is economics. More floors = more rentable space = more viable proposal (supposedly).

Also modern cities have taller buildings. Without them the places feel more like a quaint little town than a major city. Wouldn't want them to be everywhere, but a few strategically placed is fine. And in architecture circles these wouldn't be considered particularly tall.
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Would be nice to have a five storey limit and denser blocks tbh, more frontage, people closer to the street.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #380
shmmeee said:
Would be nice to have a five storey limit and denser blocks tbh, more frontage, people closer to the street.
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To what traffic?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #381
wingy said:
To what traffic?
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foot traffic for a start.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #382
shmmeee said:
Would be nice to have a five storey limit and denser blocks tbh, more frontage, people closer to the street.
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In some places sure. In others I'm fine with higher than that. As long as they leave sightlines to some interesting/old stuff.

Agree with more frontages - Cov does seem to specialise in dead street level fronts.

As with the squares, I like built up areas to have open spaces (preferably including some greenery) but I think there are a few too many and some are placed in slightly odd places rather than at nodes or meeting points of major routes.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #383
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
In some places sure. In others I'm fine with higher than that. As long as they leave sightlines to some interesting/old stuff.

Agree with more frontages - Cov does seem to specialise in dead street level fronts.

As with the squares, I like built up areas to have open spaces (preferably including some greenery) but I think there are a few too many and some are placed in slightly odd places rather than at nodes or meeting points of major routes.
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Im not against height. But it seems like Coventry needs density more in the middle. Just feel a student village with lower blocks would be much more vibrant than everyone stuck in a tower block.
 
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CCfC2023

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  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #384
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
In some places sure. In others I'm fine with higher than that. As long as they leave sightlines to some interesting/old stuff.

Agree with more frontages - Cov does seem to specialise in dead street level fronts.

As with the squares, I like built up areas to have open spaces (preferably including some greenery) but I think there are a few too many and some are placed in slightly odd places rather than at nodes or meeting points of major routes.
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Greenery has ongoing costs with upkeep that's why you see less of it and more bricks and concrete . Just look at old photos of Coventry center and parks from the 60s 70s 80s to see the changes .
 

Gynnsthetonic

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #385
There are too many pedestrianised areas, some light traffic on a one way road would give it a sense of busyness. Corporation St and The Burges as an example
 
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