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  • Start date May 12, 2017
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • May 12, 2017
  • #1
here we go again.............. :banghead:

Date revealed for CCFC Ricoh Arena court battle over Wasps sale
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 12, 2017
  • #2
Wouldn't be a proper summer without it.
 
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • May 12, 2017
  • #3
and to think not many weeks ago Fisher said it had been suspended and nothing other than bits of legal procedure to keep it open going on

and of course nothing to do with CCFC:facepalm:
 
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bawtryneal

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #4
Madness
Will not help the stadium negotiations for next season.
What is the betting that SISU win a small victory.
 

Monkeyface

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #5
Oh just fuck off you cretins!
 
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Moff

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #6
I live in hope that the sooner the Court cases are exhausted, and what a joke they are, the sooner these clowns will leave.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • May 12, 2017
  • #7
All of the stuff with offers and u turns and then the dates coming out just makes you wonder about the games being played behind closed doors.

It's as if they are all there having a massive match that we don't really know about.

I'll predict now, we will probably find out a few things that make CCC and Wasps look bad but overall SISU will lose and then it will go to appeal.

I'll save a few quid on legal fees and just call it!
 
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Ranjit Bhurpa

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #8
Nick said:
Wouldn't be a proper summer without it.
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And just as we were getting enthused about early signings such as Doyle and possible non-league strikers, this rears it's head again.
1 small step forward then 3 backwards.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #9
oldskyblue58 said:
and to think not many weeks ago Fisher said it had been suspended and nothing other than bits of legal procedure to keep it open going on

and of course nothing to do with CCFC:facepalm:
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It says that SISU wish to amend the claim form, though what that means in actuality I don't know.
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #10
oldskyblue58 said:
and to think not many weeks ago Fisher said it had been suspended and nothing other than bits of legal procedure to keep it open going on

and of course nothing to do with CCFC:facepalm:
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Like you said "Fisher said"
Say no more.
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #11
Do you realise now CCFC is no longer a football club, it is simply a vehicle for litigation.
 
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SkyBlueSid

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #12
bawtryneal said:
Madness
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Indeed it is. This is just One Step Beyond.
I wish Sisu would just Shut Up.
The Ricoh is never going to be Our House.
 
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letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #13
Ranjit Bhurpa said:
And just as we were getting enthused about early signings such as Doyle and possible non-league strikers, this rears it's head again.
1 small step forward then 3 backwards.
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Gives us something to debate over the close season
 
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • May 12, 2017
  • #14
basically rewording it to cover the bits of the kitchen sink they missed including in their rush to file in first place
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #15
So someone remind me what this one is actually about. Is this the main one against Wasps for the council loan or something? Will it be the same stuff as before with appeals and stuff? What can actually happen afterwards?
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • May 12, 2017
  • #16
as I understand it this is presenting the outline case to a judge to get permission to go to a full hearing............... this will run for months even years

Deals with the Wasps purchase and the events concerning the CCC sale of their interest in 2014.

If SISU win the full case they gain nothing immediately, (CCC would appeal in any case) but may be able to bring a commercial case for compensation in future
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • May 12, 2017
  • #17
oldskyblue58 said:
as I understand it this is presenting the outline case to a judge to get permission to go to a full hearing............... this will run for months even years
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Maybe we can sign it for a central midfielder?
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #18
shmmeee said:
So someone remind me what this one is actually about. Is this the main one against Wasps for the council loan or something? Will it be the same stuff as before with appeals and stuff? What can actually happen afterwards?
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It's just another JR examining a different council action, under the same grounds that the council breached State Aid regulations, this time about the sale of ACL to Wasps rather than loaning ACL money.
 
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Malaka

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #19
SkyBlueSid said:
Indeed it is. This is just One Step Beyond.
I wish Sisu would just Shut Up.
The Ricoh is never going to be Our House.
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You forgot
Madness they call it madness
your an embarrassment
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #20
So is this one of the times where Fisher lies when suits and if yes which way does it suit? The SISU apologists or the council lovers

Do you know I'm really surprised that anyone still uses that line to win / dismiss an argument on here. It's like arguing shit stinks when it suits.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #21
shmmeee said:
So someone remind me what this one is actually about. Is this the main one against Wasps for the council loan or something? Will it be the same stuff as before with appeals and stuff? What can actually happen afterwards?
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JR2 is a case in which the litigants make an almost diametrically opposed argument to JR1.

In JR1 it was argued the lease was practically worthless, in JR2 the argument will be that it was sold at a significantly less value than it was worth.

The situation sucks big time, it simply keeps the club unstable and unable to move back to where the only fully professional football club in the 9th largest City in the UK righly belongs.

Excuse me now I'm popping outside to scream at the world.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #22
fernandopartridge said:
It's just another JR examining a different council action, under the same grounds that the council breached State Aid regulations, this time about the sale of ACL to Wasps rather than loaning ACL money.
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Cheers. So it's against the council still but about the sale of ACL to Wasps?

And like before I take it only damages could be awarded? They can't undo the decision?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #23
Can someone do a list of their arguments from JR1 (5 IIRC) so we can play a sort of JR bingo and tick them of when they argue against their own arguments from JR1 in JR2. It seems to me that they'll have to.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #24
Captain Dart said:
JR2 is a case in which the litigants make an almost diametrically opposed argument to JR1.

In JR1 it was argued the lease was practically worthless, in JR2 the argument will be that it was sold at a significantly less vale than it was worth.

The situation sucks big time, it simply keeps the club unstable and unable to move back to where the only fully professional football club in the 9th largest City in the UK righly belongs.

Excuse me now I'm popping outside to scream at the world.
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JR1 wasn't about the value of the lease. It was about the council loaning money to a company at rates that an open market lender wouldn't due to the company's financial position.
 

Esoterica

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #25
Somebody make it stop!
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #26
fernandopartridge said:
JR1 wasn't about the value of the lease. It was about the council loaning money to a company at rates that an open market lender wouldn't due to the company's financial position.
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Yes and part of their argument was that loan amount was far greater than the value of the asset (the lease) upon which it was secured, hence it wasn't an acceptable commercial risk Do keep up.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #27
shmmeee said:
Cheers. So it's against the council still but about the sale of ACL to Wasps?

And like before I take it only damages could be awarded? They can't undo the decision?
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Don't think they could award damages. If the council are found to be in the wrong I think SISU would have to take out a separate case to persue compensation.
 

ohitsaidwalker king power

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #28
skybluetony176 said:
Can someone do a list of their arguments from JR1 (5 IIRC) so we can play a sort of JR bingo and tick them of when they argue against their own arguments from JR1 in JR2. It seems to me that they'll have to.
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Fisher: "Its not our fault "
Bingo..
Where's my prize?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #29
ohitsaidwalker king power said:
Fisher: "Its not our fault "
Bingo..
Where's my prize?
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You forgot "it's wrong in law" and my personal favourite"I'm not a lawyer".

You ain't even got a line fella. I'll give you a corner though so you just need the other 3
 
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Brylowes

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #30
Makes up for no World Cup or euros
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #31
Big bingo phrase ' we can't reveal that information, as it's commercially senstive' that TF trots out

...also we ought to run a SBT forum competition for the next time TF's 'on air' defending the indefensible, for the number of patronising/condescending sighs he lets out.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • May 12, 2017
  • #32
I just hope everything is made crystal clear.

I win the pun off.
 

bawtryneal

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #33
Nick said:
Maybe we can sign it for a central midfielder?
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Shouldn't matter to you Nick because as you always say "SISU and CCFC are two different entities"
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #34
Malaka said:
You forgot
Madness they call it madness
your an embarrassment
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One step beyond

Circus freaks

Tomorrow's dream

Promises promises

No money

And finally....Shut up
 
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Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • May 12, 2017
  • #35
If there is an argument to suggest the Councils sale to the London sports company was not fully compliant with law then shouldn't it be heard in court?

As I understand it, this is different from the first case and could not proceed until the other point of law was dealt with first.
 
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