Counter Attack (1 Viewer)

Hincha · Sep 23, 2024

Do we need to go back to counter-attacking football?

1. We’ve played our best championship football under Robins this way

2. Defence is shite so we need more numbers back

3. Midfield is getting overrun and can’t control a game anyway

4. Forwards are more suited to running into space

5. Performance against Spurs showed we look better soaking up pressure and springing quick attacks

skybluedan87 · Sep 23, 2024

no_loyalty · Sep 23, 2024

Inverted fullbacks is the way to go these days, apparently.

Monty · Sep 23, 2024

What ever happened to play it wide beat your man put a cross in try to get on the end of it football

Winny the Bish · Sep 23, 2024

Monty said:
What ever happened to play it wide beat your man put a cross in try to get on the end of it football

This is our entire tactic right now. It's not going great.

Nuskyblue · Sep 23, 2024

Winny the Bish said:
This is our entire tactic right now. It's not going great.

Yarp.

To be fair we also had one game where we tried to go long (Bristol away, in the league I think) and that did not work either.

Nick · Sep 23, 2024

Monty said:
What ever happened to play it wide beat your man put a cross in try to get on the end of it football

Because we have nobody in the box to get on the end of it.

Pricey1984 · Sep 23, 2024

I think we probably will play counter against Leeds so let's see.

Thing is Swansea adopted this painful, boring ass pass pass pass pass between their keeper and centre backs all game. If teams play like that, how do you counter?

Nick · Sep 23, 2024

Pricey1984 said:
I think we probably will play counter against Leeds so let's see.

Thing is Swansea adopted this painful, boring ass pass pass pass pass between their keeper and centre backs all game. If teams play like that, how do you counter?

They do it against us a lot

fernandopartridge · Sep 23, 2024

We are creating chances though? It's less that we need to play counter attacking football, more than we just need to play at a higher intensity, move the ball quickly. We are generally one of the quicker attacking teams in the league already mind.

We've had the second highest number of shots in the league! Opta says we've got the second most 'fast-break' shots in the league.

BlueSkiesForever · Sep 23, 2024

Hincha said:
Do we need to go back to counter-attacking football?

100%. We play our best football against oppositions that like to have the ball and think they can play around us. We look lost when we have to break down a very defensive team, whereas when we’re on a quick break we seem to be way more threatening.

The way we attack currently usually results in there being no space behind the opposition’s defence, and as we don’t seem to have a player like O’Hare that can unlock tight defences well, it means we just knock the ball around with no purpose, resulting in loads of crosses which usually get headed out.

jordan210 · Sep 24, 2024

Leaving a player higher up the pitch at corners would be a start. having all 10 out fielders in the box is stupid

Sky Blue Goblin · Sep 24, 2024

jordan210 said:
Leaving a player higher up the pitch at corners would be a start. having all 10 out fielders in the box is stupid

Yeah I don’t know why we’ve started this as in our first championship year we would always stick one or two up front so teams had to put some of their players behind the corner. Just seems to invite pressure and I don’t know why when we’ve got some fast players would could break.

wingy · Sep 24, 2024

Sky Blue Goblin said:
Yeah I don’t know why we’ve started this as in our first championship year we would always stick one or two up front so teams had to put some of their players behind the corner. Just seems to invite pressure and I don’t know why when we’ve got some fast players would could break.

Stats mate, some new coach has produced something here but probably out of context!

MalcSB · Sep 24, 2024

Winny the Bish said:
This is our entire tactic right now. It's not going great.

There never seemed to be anyone far post or beyond against Swansea, which is where most crosses ended up going.

Mucca Mad Boys · Sep 24, 2024

I have my own opinion that we’re better playing direct, counterattacking football but again, we’re 6 games in. When we hit some good form I genuinely get the impression we’ll go for decent run.

It’s a cliche for a reason, but momentum is so important in this league. We’re also not the only team to start off slowly.

Johhny Blue · Sep 25, 2024

Monty said:
What ever happened to play it wide beat your man put a cross in try to get on the end of it football

We would need a good old fashioned centre forward and sadly the closest thing we have is Thomas

Robinshio · Sep 25, 2024

wingy said:
Stats mate, some new coach has produced something here but probably out of context!

Norwich pushed their whole team forward and left them totally exposed to a break. We tried a couple of times but unfortunately didn’t come off

Brighton Sky Blue · Sep 25, 2024

Sky Blue Goblin said:
Yeah I don’t know why we’ve started this as in our first championship year we would always stick one or two up front so teams had to put some of their players behind the corner. Just seems to invite pressure and I don’t know why when we’ve got some fast players would could break.

The vast majority of teams do it now. If I can just get hold of the data I’ve been really wanting to do a meta analysis on it, I’m convinced it’s a bollocks idea.

Monty · Sep 25, 2024

MOst teams pull all 10 players back. This explains what every Premiership did, and how different tpes of coreners - inswingers and outswingers are defended How Do All 20 Premier League Clubs Defend Corner Kicks in 23-24? [Detailed Analysis of Defending Corner Kicks]｜Football Bunseki

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Sep 25, 2024

On Saturday Dovin had the ball more than once with most Swansea player in our half and instead of launching it long he rolls it out to our backs.We just don't seem to put enough pressure on teams.
When did we last attack the near posts for corners and free kicks?
We are so predictable.

Monty said:
MOst teams pull all 10 players back. This explains what every Premiership did, and how different tpes of coreners - inswingers and outswingers are defended How Do All 20 Premier League Clubs Defend Corner Kicks in 23-24? [Detailed Analysis of Defending Corner Kicks]｜Football Bunseki

Judging by that report I'm stupid( don't all agree ).My thought on this are you put 1 or 2 players on the half way line forceing 3 players back .Leaving less attacking players and less chance of a stray leg or even worse hand deflecting the ball.Easier for the keeper to see whats going on as well.
Free kicks no one seem to put a big defender on the line any more why?

Great_Expectations · Sep 25, 2024

Another massive thing to sort out is the “press”.

Either do it properly or don’t at all. It’s either a tactic from MR et al or indiscipline, but this half arsed pressing in ones and twos and leaving acres of space behind is hurting us.

We could actually press really effectively, our four most offensive players all have pace and acceleration to make it work.

Brighton Sky Blue · Sep 25, 2024

Great_Expectations said:
Another massive thing to sort out is the “press”.

Either do it properly or don’t at all. It’s either a tactic from MR et al or indiscipline, but this half arsed pressing in ones and twos and leaving acres of space behind is hurting us.

We could actually press really effectively, our four most offensive players all have pace and acceleration to make it work.

Well Bassette actually does it properly but gets support from nobody else meaning he’s wasting his energy. Eccles was doing it for a bit when Simms just stood staring at it, again that kind of sums the team up at the moment.

Too many players are hiding.

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Sep 25, 2024

Great_Expectations said:
Another massive thing to sort out is the “press”.

Either do it properly or don’t at all. It’s either a tactic from MR et al or indiscipline, but this half arsed pressing in ones and twos and leaving acres of space behind is hurting us.

We could actually press really effectively, our four most offensive players all have pace and acceleration to make it work.

Agree. Faceing up to goal kicks on Saturday we had the hound and Rudoni marking their backs and keeper Asante and Wright marking no one big gap then to the half way line empty.Like I keep saying not following orders get word sent to them via another player still persist take them off.
Were so disjointed MR needs to sort things out.

Boicey · Sep 25, 2024

Johhny Blue said:
We would need a good old fashioned centre forward and sadly the closest thing we have is Thomas

You would think that is Simms. He needs to get in the box far more often

stevefloyd · Sep 25, 2024

thekidfromstrettoncamp said:
On Saturday Dovin had the ball more than once with most Swansea player in our half and instead of launching it long he rolls it out to our backs.We just don't seem to put enough pressure on teams.
When did we last attack the near posts for corners and free kicks?
We are so predictable.

Judging by that report I'm stupid( don't all agree ).My thought on this are you put 1 or 2 players on the half way line forceing 3 players back .Leaving less attacking players and less chance of a stray leg or even worse hand deflecting the ball.Easier for the keeper to see whats going on as well.
Free kicks no one seem to put a big defender on the line any more why?

Have you seen Dovins long range passing? It's not great

stevefloyd · Sep 25, 2024

Great_Expectations said:
Another massive thing to sort out is the “press”.

Either do it properly or don’t at all. It’s either a tactic from MR et al or indiscipline, but this half arsed pressing in ones and twos and leaving acres of space behind is hurting us.

We could actually press really effectively, our four most offensive players all have pace and acceleration to make it work.

Well when you have the likes of Allen playing you can forget the press

Cov98 · Sep 25, 2024

I think one of the reasons we went away from counter attack is because it just doesn't seem to the players we had up front.

Basette looks like he'd be perfect for counter attack football as we saw against Spurs. In terms of play style, he's the Vik replacement we were looking for.

Mucca Mad Boys · Sep 25, 2024

Cov98 said:
I think one of the reasons we went away from counter attack is because it just doesn't seem to the players we had up front.

Basette looks like he'd be perfect for counter attack football as we saw against Spurs. In terms of play style, he's the Vik replacement we were looking for.

Simms is still our best striker and like last season, there’s a lack of good chances for him. Basette is 19 and is energetic and raw but he is a longer term project and probably does not have the skill or consistency to start regularly in a Championship campaign.

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Sep 25, 2024

stevefloyd said:
Have you seen Dovins long range passing? It's not great

Sorry but most of the time all he had to do was get it anywhere in their half outside their box and Bassette , MVE or someone with a bit of pace would have made it very hard for their defenders.He even rolled it out when the clock had stopped at the end of added time with the ref. about to blow his whistle might just as well held on to it for a few more seconds.

Great_Expectations · Sep 25, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well Bassette actually does it properly but gets support from nobody else meaning he’s wasting his energy. Eccles was doing it for a bit when Simms just stood staring at it, again that kind of sums the team up at the moment.

Too many players are hiding.

Agree and it’s the same point as mine.

Even if one player is doing it properly it’s entirely pointless, so by default it isn’t actually being done properly.

PUSB-We_are_going_up · Sep 26, 2024

If we left Sakamoto and Simms up the pitch they’d be forced to leave 2 players at least back maybe even 3 means more space for Dovin to command and 2 outlets when we get the ball up, its basic stuff.

Cov98 · Sep 26, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Simms is still our best striker and like last season, there’s a lack of good chances for him. Basette is 19 and is energetic and raw but he is a longer term project and probably does not have the skill or consistency to start regularly in a Championship campaign.

Oh for sure. I'm just saying I'm not sure the quick counter attack suits Simms.

Simms seems to be more suited to balls in behind that he can run on to, which for some reason we rarely play. It's all balls to feet with his back to goal or crosses.

Hobo · Sep 26, 2024

fernandopartridge said:
We are creating chances though? It's less that we need to play counter attacking football, more than we just need to play at a higher intensity, move the ball quickly. We are generally one of the quicker attacking teams in the league already mind.

We've had the second highest number of shots in the league! Opta says we've got the second most 'fast-break' shots in the league.

Yes I think a bit of tweaking will sort things out. Rather than panic and go for radical changes.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 26, 2024

PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
If we left Sakamoto and Simms up the pitch they’d be forced to leave 2 players at least back maybe even 3 means more space for Dovin to command and 2 outlets when we get the ball up, its basic stuff.

Sakamoto I can understand. Simms is big so can help defend. Leaving up at least one of the smaller players I'd definitely agree with, especially if they had pace.

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