council may lower rent? (10 Viewers)

Astute · Jul 9, 2012

Tad said:
Pardon me for living in the real world. The money these club don't pay in tax etc is diabolical. It's money that SHOULD be being used on hospitals, police etc. why should we all suffer from one poorly ran football club?

Have a quick look at what our council tax payments do pay for before making silly comments like this. So you think council tax pays the billions to keep the NHS running? A high percentage actually goes towards pensions for retired council workers. This is the highest percentage out of what is paid for many, if not most local authorities. A small percentage of Police costs come out of your council tax. Where do you think all of the other taxes you pay go to? You even have tax on tax. Yet you think council tax pays for everything Then it is said that the Council don't take any money from the rent paid. More money taken away from the council then?

Our club needs help at the moment. The rent is set at 1.2m. £800,000 for Div 3, 1m for Championship and 1.4m for the prem would do much better for us. Even 0.5m for Div3, 0.8m for Championship and buy the bloody ground when we get back to the Prem The stone is dry. No more blood to give whilst in Div3.

skyblueman · Jul 9, 2012

Grendel said:
Perhaps SISU should look at other legal disputes and regarding this. Ipswich is an example;

A £650,000 rent dispute between Ipswich Town Football Club and the borough council has been settled.

The club faced the bill after an independent assessor ruled rent charges at the council-owned Portman Road site should rise from £15,000 a year to £110,000 a year.

The two sides had been locked in dispute after it was decided the increase should be back-dated to 2004.

Now both the club and council have announced the matter has been resolved.

A football club spokesman said: "We are pleased to see the conclusion of this matter."

'Sensible compromise'
The money will be paid over a six-year period, rather than the four-year timescale previously suggested.

Now tell me the rate we pay is fair.

The Portman Road rent is paid to the council for the LAND only - not the stadium - the club funded all that so it's totally different - Our stadium cost £113 Million - about the same as Man City's - rent probably isn't unreasonable on that basis -

lordsummerisle · Jul 9, 2012

skyblueman said:
The Portman Road rent is paid to the council for the LAND only - not the stadium - the club funded all that so it's totally different - Our stadium cost £113 Million - about the same as Man City's - rent probably isn't unreasonable on that basis -

I think that we paid around £13million or so to clear the land and decontaminate it before the stadium was built though?

skyblueman · Jul 9, 2012

lordsummerisle said:
I think that we paid around £13million or so to clear the land and decontaminate it before the stadium was built though?

Fair enough - £100Million then - actually I think Man City had to pay a load of money to convert the stadium when they took it over didn't they?

skyblueinBaku · Jul 9, 2012

What struck me in the article was Cllr Mutton's description of the business plans put forward by Sisu. Of course, he over simplified things (or was being sarcastic) but there was no mention of trying to increase revenue - just variations on the cost cutting theme. If these are true reflections of Sisu's ideas, we really are in deep trouble.

sky blue zam · Jul 9, 2012

Otis said:
Bit concerned that Mutton has said they would put the rent up if we were in the Premier!

Think hes just trying to set a principal with sisu playing silly buggers again. They want it down when we go down they should expect it to go up when we go up

The soothsayer · Jul 9, 2012

Well its gives me a nice warm feeling to know blackmail is still working in the modern world. good old sisu.

Grendel · Jul 9, 2012

The soothsayer said:
Well its gives me a nice warm feeling to know blackmail is still working in the modern world. good old sisu.

I think you are confusing them with the council.

usskyblue · Jul 9, 2012

Has anyone asked the question:

How the fuck would Mutton know what a football club business plan looks like?

dongonzalos · Jul 9, 2012

Ha ha, so this is why we are getting the odd signing. Fair play to the council.

Grendel · Jul 9, 2012

usskyblue said:
Has anyone asked the question:

How the fuck would Mutton know what a football club business plan looks like?

He can tell the difference between semi-skimmed and full fat and that is that.

Grendel · Jul 9, 2012

dongonzalos said:
Ha ha, so this is why we are getting the odd signing. Fair play to the council.

Please don't put anything positive about the club to the useless non-entities that make up the council.

lordsummerisle · Jul 9, 2012

Grendel said:
He can tell the difference between semi-skimmed and full fat and that is that.

Think he's more a Gold Top man myself.

Grendel · Jul 9, 2012

lordsummerisle said:
Think he's more a Gold Top man myself.

He's certainly full fat.

usskyblue · Jul 9, 2012

More butterball than hardball then...?

Grendel · Jul 9, 2012

usskyblue said:
More butterball than hardball then...?

I sit near the guy at the Ricoh (or did I moved) the fact he is council leader beggars belief.

ccfc_Tom · Jul 9, 2012

Grendel said:
I sit near the guy at the Ricoh (or did I moved) the fact he is council leader beggars belief.

I sat by him at a match last season, looked a right slob

bulkingtonskyblues · Jul 9, 2012

if they lower the rent we might aswell give up, giving in to the blackmailing scumbags that are sisu will finish me for good

Grendel · Jul 9, 2012

ccfc_Tom said:
I sat by him at a match last season, looked a right slob

Yep he looked like someone on benefits. Embarrassing.

lordsummerisle · Jul 9, 2012

bulkingtonskyblues said:
if they lower the rent we might aswell give up, giving in to the blackmailing scumbags that are sisu will finish me for good

I agree, think I'll get a season ticket to the Parks and Recreation meetings at the Council House.

Can get a bit tasty though, don't wear any colours.

valiant15 · Jul 9, 2012

Public sector workers are all the same.

torchomatic · Jul 9, 2012

Yes we are. Poor.

valiant15 said:
Public sector workers are all the same.

Grendel · Jul 9, 2012

torchomatic said:
Yes we are. Poor.

Except the milkman I suspect.

wingy · Jul 9, 2012

Grendel said:
Except the milkman I suspect.[/QUOTE
]Easy on the Milko's did it with pride as a teenager.

johnamcp · Jul 9, 2012

And soon to have shit pensions...... But don't start me on that it will only make me more depressed than I already am!!!!

valiant15 · Jul 9, 2012

Pensions payed by us you mean?

johnamcp · Jul 9, 2012

No by us. I will soon be paying over 15 percent... When I could kinda do with it right now!!!

Grendel · Jul 9, 2012

wingy said:
Grendel said:

Except the milkman I suspect.[/QUOTE
]Easy on the Milko's did it with pride as a teenager.

Click to expand...

So did I. I never though of it as a gateway to a career in politics.

torchomatic · Jul 9, 2012

Gold-plated ones too.

valiant15 said:
Pensions payed by us you mean?

wingy · Jul 9, 2012

Shock horror "A Man of The People Representing The People " just like all the other people that seem to have made something of themselves mentioned on here,just gotto shoot them down ,envy is a nasty disease.

valiant15 · Jul 9, 2012

Nowhere near as good as mine torch.

Jack Griffin · Jul 10, 2012

johnamcp said:
No by us. I will soon be paying over 15 percent... When I could kinda do with it right now!!!

The local government scheme pays 1/60th of salary for 15%.
So for a £20,000 salary the benefit is £333 for a £3000 contribution.
(source http://www.unison.org.uk/acrobat/B3248.pdf)

A private pension typically pays 6% of the contribution p.a these days.
So £3000 equates to £180 p.a, and that is not index linked like the local gov. scheme.
(http://www.hl.co.uk/pensions/annuit...G&Override=1&gclid=CMKA5_XZjbECFUYntAodjVQFFA)

I have no sympathy, that pension is gold plated, you should be paying about twice as much for the reward (though actually the annuity rates should be higher too, I feel sure the pension providers are taking excess profits).

Astute · Jul 10, 2012

I work in the private sector. I have a Final Salary Pension. Not for much longer though. The company I work for makes a few billion profit a year, but can't afford to keep the scheme going They are paying on average 80m a year into the scheme just for the UK. Most of this goes on past employees that have retired or have left the company. There is about 2,500 of us that work for the company in this country. Now think how many in the public sector have a pension. There is not a protected pot like with the private sector. It is paid by present premiums collected plus tax paid by the public. A lot of people can't afford one themselves as they pay so much into so many others through taxes. Doctors went on strike recently to protect their 60k a year pension payouts. It is not the lower paid workers that is killing the system. It is the higher paid that end up with pensions higher than most people will ever earn.

A bit off track, but this is where a lot of your tax goes. If a few pence off each council tax payer went to help our club survive by lowering the rent then it must be a good thing. The council got the Ricoh cheap after selling land to tesco's. They are only into about 40m from what I have been able to work out. We must have put close to half of that amount in, but own nothing. If we can turn things around there is land we could build on. This would bring jobs into the area. This would bring more council tax into the coffers. The long term needs to be looked at, not just the next year or two.

I need to ask if you are a true fan if you think about 1/3 of our turnover should go on paying the rent whilst we are in Div3 just because we are owned by SISU. Then you wonder why we have such a small squad. Before you say it I am not a SISU lover. I am just trying to be realistic.

coundonskyblue · Jul 10, 2012

Can I just ask those who believe that the rent is too high because we have been relegated, would it have been acceptable for acl to increase the rent had we been promoted to the prem?

Bennets Afro · Jul 10, 2012

I'm sure I read when we first moved to the Ricoh the rent is £1.2m and if we got promoted to the prem then it would increase to £2m.

Could be wrong. Was a long time ago

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