Council/ Higgs must not sell to Sisu (4 Viewers)

OyJimmy · Oct 20, 2011

We haven't any idea who owns our club, and we therefore have no way of holding anyone to account for the future of a Sisu controlled club and ground. Sisu need to give answers before the tax payer sells them anything. We also need to know they have the money to invest in the ground and the club and they won't just sell the lot to the next asset stripper. The campaign to stop Sisu starts here!

Jack Griffin · Oct 20, 2011

I whole heartedly agree.

Gray · Oct 20, 2011

is it true that even if we do buy half the ground we still wont make any money from it?

brinner · Oct 20, 2011

The council have started on several occasions they they do not know who sisu are or what their motives are so they will not sell to them under these current circumstances.

so dont worry fellas they wont be getting their theiving hands on it.

just more spin from ken to try and keep the fans quiet for a few days.

Godiva · Oct 20, 2011

If you want sisu out you really need to think again. If the club(!) acquire the stadium new owners are much more likely to come in!

The exit strategy for sisu is simple:
1) Break even
2) Have a decent squad (in this division)
3) own stadium ... or at the very least a part of it with the possibility to buy the rest.
4) sell on to new owners

So all of you who want sisu out should support their efforts - the faster they succeed, the faster we will have new owners.

ccfcway · Oct 20, 2011

I have 2 things to say the council

1) Dont sell to SISU
2) can you confirm that bin collection will be ok in the event of another bad winter ?

Godiva · Oct 20, 2011

ccfcway said:
I have 2 things to say the council

2) can you confirm that bin collection will be ok in the event of another bad winter ?

Love it!

Lord_Nampil · Oct 20, 2011

The problem is the club needs a better contract regarding the stadium, currently the ground is killing the club, with only season ticket holders corporate and awayfans turning up no money us being made in match day (really)! The club wants a future and the owners of the stadium want tenants then the club needs to have a share of the footballing side of te stadium! Also what use is the stadium to sisu if there was no football club?? Personally the problem is pre sisu, fans just don't like what really the former owners should have done 10 yrs ago !!!!

Nonleagueherewecome · Oct 21, 2011

Godiva said:
If you want sisu out you really need to think again. If the club(!) acquire the stadium new owners are much more likely to come in!

The exit strategy for sisu is simple:
1) Break even
2) Have a decent squad (in this division)
3) own stadium ... or at the very least a part of it with the possibility to buy the rest.
4) sell on to new owners

So all of you who want sisu out should support their efforts - the faster they succeed, the faster we will have new owners.

Well by their own admission (lies?), they aren't doing too great on 1). Still losing 500k a month?!

The whole way that Ken explained that McPake, Bell and Baker on long term contracts actually in itself had increased the value of the company..I mean club...shows how bloody clueless they are in terms of understanding football. And that's coming from someone who rates all 3 players: Bell has a terrible injury record and is inconsistent, you give players like that 2 year deals tops; Same goes for Baker but with a bit less injury-proneness; McPake is the most injury-prone player since O'Neill-not his fault, but it makes him next-to-useless.

According to the SISU logic, signing O'Neill and Sherwood to long-term deals would have represented success. But guess what? They're not STOCK, they're FOOTBALLERS, and securing injury-prone players on long deals actually has a much more negative impact in reality than a positive one. We could still be paying McPakes wages in L2, and he'd still be managing 2 or 3 games a season tops. He may be an "asset" on paper, but is bugger all help when it comes to winning football matches!

And that brings us back to the other big problem with your SISU Strategy: not only is 1)Break even not happening, and indeed imperilled further by their new contracts for crocks, but it is leading to 2) Have a decent squad (in this division) being in very real danger. Without a superb manager, we'd already be screwed. Even their fans must see that they are taking a massive gamble.

So how is 1) Break even and 4) Sell on to new owners affected by being in L1 or L2? Bad enough to make selling whilst you are in The Championship a priority. Yet Brody says the only way we're going out of this division is through promotion, "if not this season, next season"....:thinking about:

Godiva · Oct 21, 2011

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Well by their own admission (lies?), they aren't doing too great on 1). Still losing 500k a month?!

The whole way that Ken explained that McPake, Bell and Baker on long term contracts actually in itself had increased the value of the company..I mean club...shows how bloody clueless they are in terms of understanding football. And that's coming from someone who rates all 3 players: Bell has a terrible injury record and is inconsistent, you give players like that 2 year deals tops; Same goes for Baker but with a bit less injury-proneness; McPake is the most injury-prone player since O'Neill-not his fault, but it makes him next-to-useless.

According to the SISU logic, signing O'Neill and Sherwood to long-term deals would have represented success. But guess what? They're not STOCK, they're FOOTBALLERS, and securing injury-prone players on long deals actually has a much more negative impact in reality than a positive one. We could still be paying McPakes wages in L2, and he'd still be managing 2 or 3 games a season tops. He may be an "asset" on paper, but is bugger all help when it comes to winning football matches!

And that brings us back to the other big problem with your SISU Strategy: not only is 1)Break even not happening, and indeed imperilled further by their new contracts for crocks, but it is leading to 2) Have a decent squad (in this division) being in very real danger. Without a superb manager, we'd already be screwed. Even their fans must see that they are taking a massive gamble.

So how is 1) Break even and 4) Sell on to new owners affected by being in L1 or L2? Bad enough to make selling whilst you are in The Championship a priority. Yet Brody says the only way we're going out of this division is through promotion, "if not this season, next season"....:thinking about:

Ken says in his interview that he hopes to see losses 40% less than last year - he (and we) won't know for sure until the auditors have signed the books. So he is not saying we are still losing 5-6mil a year, he's saying costs are down and will probably show we are en route to break even.

When he says the squad is more valuable than last year he is right in the sense the players will have a higher book value - simply because we have two new players in and a handfull players are on new longer contracts.
He is chairman and simply has to make sure there are assets of value in the books! That's one of his jobs.
Sadly you - and many other fans - are indifferent to book keeping and everything economics, and as you see players like Baker and Bell and judge them to be of almost no footballing value, you dismiss his arguement as nonsens.
Well, that's probably why he is chairman and you and I are 'just' fans. But we shouldn't blame him for doing his job.

We won't get relegated until the end of the season - and I actually think we won't get relegated then. Even if Clingan or Juke or Bigi is sold in January.
So you can't really dismiss sisu strategy point 4 (my list) just yet.

As I see it the plan is still working ... or should I say the plan seems finally to be working now Ranson is gone and somebody has decided to get the costs under control.

Brody might still be right - we can still get out of this division through promotion.

Nonleagueherewecome · Oct 21, 2011

Somewhere between "priceless" and "delusional" is how I have to respond to that

I am not indifferent to book keeping and economics, pal, I've ran a business before. Hence my point about the gamble-what happens if we go down?

Sadly, I just don't buy one iota of his "sell". My mate, who is in his late 60's and a director of a major UK company, agrees entirely with my viewpoint (and indeed informs much of it). He often quotes Goebbels when hearing Ken and Len..."If you are going to tell a lie, make sure it's a big lie".

Bennets Afro · Oct 21, 2011

No chance Godiva. Promotion??? Have a word with yourself!!!!

Godiva · Oct 21, 2011

Bennets Afro said:
No chance Godiva. Promotion??? Have a word with yourself!!!!

Yeah, but I didn't say which year. Only that when we leave this division it will be up - not down.

Godiva · Oct 21, 2011

Nonleagueherewecome said:
He often quotes Goebbels when hearing Ken and Len..."If you are going to tell a lie, make sure it's a big lie".

I always thought Goebbles said something along: If you tell a lie big enough and often enough people will eventually come to believe it.

He (Goebbles) was a master in advertizing

BTW - If you keep on saying sisu are the mother of all evil, people will eventually come to belive it! imp:

Nonleagueherewecome · Oct 21, 2011

There are worse things in the world than SISU, granted. But I don't think there are any owners of a football club in this country as evil as SISU.

wingy · Oct 21, 2011

Godiva said:
Yeah, but I didn't say which year. Only that when we leave this division it will be up - not down.

Sorry Godiva this one sounds right out the Ken/ IGWE school of communication.:claping hands:

TheParsonsHose · Oct 21, 2011

We all know though that given the way the ownership is structured they don't have to tell us. That said though why would you not want to let the fans know? Lack of transparency for me is an unnecessary approach which just makes things worse and fuel speculation of something to hide.

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