dongonzalos
Well-Known Member
I am just concerned if things do not go their way they will use this for their grounds for an appeal
I think the point is that the case is about the procedures undertaken by CCC regarding the loan to ACL.
So not really to do with CCFC as such. Any contact was between SISU and CCC so SISU would already have title to their side of the documents.
The costs. These must be mounting up. 8 barristers and lawyers for the Higgs case 5 for this today, time and cost of putting a 110 page statement together with 2500 supporting documents, a detailed experts report on the ACL loan deal........ and we haven't got to the main event yet.
I know things are never clear cut in putting things to a court but their counter claim dismissed as no basis in law, a lengthy & costly statement dismissed, an experts report stated as not relevant ............. does make you wonder as to what they are doing and the advice they are getting
It wasn't really a case of winners or losers as such today ....... it was a process to go through that is quite normal usually.....but it does come across as a miscalculation by SISU though
ps Simon could have put SISU QC on twitter stupot would have been more accurate
Of course, the real question is: what do we as fans do if they do sell? Do we accept anyone again? Do we ask some serious questions of them (if that's still possible with Sisu's systematic destruction of any fan representation)?
I am just concerned if things do not go their way they will use this for their grounds for an appeal
What does her doing this at the last minute suggest?
Appeals on Judicial Reviews are very difficult to get.
Appeals on Judicial Reviews are very difficult to get.
Appeals on Judicial Reviews are very difficult to get.
Probably muddy the waters by trying to introduce a load of other stuff. Hence the Judge dismissing it as it will not further evidence for the JR. Saying it very late in the day...means you are trying to delay things.
Has to be with new evidence I believe. You can't appeal on the original evidence.
I know and I mean this genuinely which ever way it goes I hope there isn't one.
However I do think if the council lose I don't believe the judge will put in a remedy. So I am unsure what SISU will achieve.
But can you appeal that you were not allowed to introduce the new evidence
What does her doing this at the last minute suggest?
If you mean in context to the "evidence" they tried to acquire today I would say no. If there is no new evidence available then there are no grounds for appeal. What I don't know is if sisu can appeal on today's ruling?
I know and I mean this genuinely which ever way it goes I hope there isn't one.
However I do think if the council lose I don't believe the judge will put in a remedy. So I am unsure what SISU will achieve.
Well its the land of milk and honey isn't it? You, bigfatron, astute, Schmee, sky blue John, Spoinkop, king of very little can all finger point and celebrate your victory.
You are right and I am wrong. The club will be purchased by someone else who is really delighted to deal with CCC and we will be back at the Ricoh.
You told me so.
Well its the land of milk and honey isn't it? You, bigfatron, astute, Schmee, sky blue John, Spoinkop, king of very little can all finger point and celebrate your victory.
You are right and I am wrong. The club will be purchased by someone else who is really delighted to deal with CCC and we will be back at the Ricoh.
You told me so.
No one liquidates through spite Also this bit about not owning the Ricoh - id ask OSB if that is commercially sensible if I were you.[/QUOTE said:She told Mutton she would liquidate the club.
Well its the land of milk and honey isn't it? You, bigfatron, astute, Schmee, sky blue John, Spoinkop, king of very little can all finger point and celebrate your victory.
You are right and I am wrong. The club will be purchased by someone else who is really delighted to deal with CCC and we will be back at the Ricoh.
You told me so.
I believe the aim for SISU/ARVO and particularly CCFC H is that if they win then they are able to sue the council and council individuals for their losses related to an illegal funding which was put in place by CCC.
Losing access to personal minutes from meetings will make it harder to sue these individuals as it will be more difficult to prove liability.
The amounts which will be claimed in these cases will be large and the council will be forced to settle, settlement will probably be in the form of the Ricoh.
I believe this explains why CCFC H are part of the case against CCC in the judicial review and why they have not yet been liquidated.
It was rushed......
Well its the land of milk and honey isn't it? You, bigfatron, astute, Schmee, sky blue John, Spoinkop, king of very little can all finger point and celebrate your victory.
You are right and I am wrong. The club will be purchased by someone else who is really delighted to deal with CCC and we will be back at the Ricoh.
You told me so.
SimonGilbert said:Coun has copy of August ACL board minutes from 2012 and is willing to provide to CCFC. Relevant as this is meeting Mr Harris of ACL / Higgs
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Said he sought assurances Sisu would be notified of council plan to buy ACL debt.
I believe the aim for SISU/ARVO and particularly CCFC H is that if they win then they are able to sue the council and council individuals for their losses related to an illegal funding which was put in place by CCC.
Losing access to personal minutes from meetings will make it harder to sue these individuals as it will be more difficult to prove liability.
The amounts which will be claimed in these cases will be large and the council will be forced to settle, settlement will probably be in the form of the Ricoh.
I believe this explains why CCFC H are part of the case against CCC in the judicial review and why they have not yet been liquidated.
And how does the stance of "don't let sisu get the Ricoh for cheap" help the club?
Thanks for following today guys. It's been a long day! Updated story will be up online first thing which will hopefully answer some of your questions.
Probably won't be able to reply to any more questions until tomorrow now I'm afraid. But will try to respond in the morning.
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I think people know it's part of the JR process, it's just new news isn't it?
On another note: Just looking through Simon's tweets from today, can anyone shed any more light on this:
Who is the "he" in this case? Is this relating to the alleged not telling Sisu about the council plan? Has anything new come out of that?
Mr Harris
Able to sue the council for what losses?
I understood that you can sue if you have suffered loss. As a tenant of ACL I struggle to see where SISU have suffered any losses. They put the club into administration and walked away from the Ricoh so where is the loss? There is an argument that the loss was ACL's - the rent.
SISU admitted during the Higgs case that they didn't have an agreement with the bank regarding the mortgage so they (as tenants) don't seem to have lost anything. How does the club's landlord's funding affect the club?
As an opening for litigation against individuals then there might be some mileage in creating nuisance through your lawyers! I don't see much merit to any claim.
If the judicial review is in the club's favour then how they will link the funding of ACL by CCC to losses at the club or SISU is a matter for SISU employed lawyers to prove.
Note, that the line by Labovitch and Fisher, more recently, appears to be "we were kicked out" / "forced to leave" rather than "we decided to leave", indicating a belief that ACL/CCC caused the move to another ground and subsequent losses.
There are many details of the events of which we are unaware that may be revealed in the judicial review or later, it is not possible to guess the outcome without all of the facts and a thorough understanding of the law.
Give one valid reason why a hedge fund that turned "OUR CLUB" from a decent Championship side into a near penniless basket case, one that
struggles to survive in the !st Division, Be given the RICOH on the cheap.
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