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Council and Sky Blues in court tomorrow (2 Viewers)

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  • Start date May 13, 2014
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shmmeee

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #456
Grendel said:
No one liquidates through spite - absurd Also this bit about not owning the Ricoh - id ask OSB if that is commercially sensible if I were you.[/QUOTE said:
They do liquidate because a company is losing several million pounds each year though. And after all, you keep telling us that there are no serious buyers out there.
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The Gentleman

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #457
Grendel said:
Possible, win win? The jury is out.
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I think the burning question on everyone's lips at the moment is have you started on the JD? I suppose we will find out in a couple of hours
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #458
shmmeee said:
Grendel said:
They do liquidate because a company is losing several million pounds each year though. And after all, you keep telling us that there are no serious buyers out there.
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None that would rent from the council that's for sure.
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #459
olderskyblue said:
When would the deadline be for SISU to pull out of the JR ? Is it too late for that?

Not suggesting they would, I just wondered...
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Around the time they realise SP will walk + the time for correspondence to bounce between the two parties .
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #460
Grendel said:
And how does the stance of "don't let sisu get the Ricoh for cheap" help the club?
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It doesn't. The council is subject to public scrutiny and they are accountable to the voters who are not exclusively CCFC fans ( or rather CCFC is not the highest voter priority ). As a fan, I want the club to survive as a priority, but there are the interests of 315000 people to consider.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #461
Grendel said:
shmmeee said:
None that would rent from the council that's for sure.
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Grendulls "fact" of the day, people.
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stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #462
bigfatronssba said:
But in both those cases sisu didn't batter anyone in court.

Sisu have now been beaten by both ACL and CCC in court, and failed to beat the Higgs.
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Didn't ACL lose?


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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #463
stupot07 said:
Didn't ACL lose?


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Not my boys
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #464
stupot07 said:
Didn't ACL lose?


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You mean with the admin process? I didn't think ACL had been in court yet, though frankly I'm losing track of court cases, we have more of those than matches these days.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #465
Grendel said:
No one liquidates through spite - absurd

Also this bit about not owning the Ricoh - id ask OSB if that is commercially sensible if I were you.
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And as usual you only read what you want to or what goes best with some kind of point you are trying to put together. So now I said that they will liquidate our club I suppose.

Liquidation is still a possibility though. They have threatened to liquidate our club for over two years. So if no bidder comes forward for our club that is willing to pay as much as liquidating our club and they don't want to rent the Ricoh, build a stadium and don't want to keep loaning our club money what do you say they would do? Like I said I don't think it will happen, but with seeing the way they do things it wouldn't be a shock.
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Spionkop

New Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #466
Sick Boy, on the contrary, because of Sisu we DON'T have the kind of club we deserve.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #467
I don't think they would liquidate, there'll always be a buyer, but I expect them to threaten it again if things aren't going their way. It's the last card in their hand.

Of course, the real question is: what do we as fans do if they do sell? Do we accept anyone again? Do we ask some serious questions of them (if that's still possible with Sisu's systematic destruction of any fan representation)?

Personally, I'm not convinced Byng would be any better if it is him. But I worry that most will be do focussed on getting rid of Sisu we won't care what's next.

I know I'm in a minority here, but there are some options worse than liquidation IMO and dragging out the death of the club a few more years is one of them.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #468
shmmeee said:
You mean with the admin process? I didn't think ACL had been in court yet, though frankly I'm losing track of court cases, we have more of those than matches these days.
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ACL have taken SISU to court twice over rent arrears and won on both occasions.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #469
Hope this does not become their excuse for an appeal after the main event, so we can move on.
 

RegTheDonk

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #470
Danceswithhorses said:
Feel free to correct me if i am wrong, but aren't CCC charging ACL more interest than than they are paying ?
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Careful horse - you'll have some on here screaming the council are ripping their own off now!
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #471
Spionkop said:
Sick Boy, on the contrary, because of Sisu we DON'T have the kind of club we deserve.
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It would have to take some really appalling owners for fans to hope they lose court cases against the Council.
To be fair though most people see the difference between a custodian of your club (who it seems does not care)and the club itself.
 

RegTheDonk

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #472
DaleM said:
No one at all would be celebrating if CCFC went . After your secret meeting with Labovich , do you think they will play their last spiteful card if the JR doesn't go their way and liquidate CCFC along with all their debts OR put it up for sale and try to at least get something back...
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Think he missed this one.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #473
chiefdave said:
ACL have taken SISU to court twice over rent arrears and won on both occasions.
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Was that the orders just before admin? I'd forgotten about those. I thought he meant the actual admin process, which I'm not sure anyone "won".
 
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John_Silletts_Nose

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #474
oldskyblue58 said:
I think the point is that the case is about the procedures undertaken by CCC regarding the loan to ACL.

So not really to do with CCFC as such. Any contact was between SISU and CCC so SISU would already have title to their side of the documents.

The costs. These must be mounting up. 8 barristers and lawyers for the Higgs case 5 for this today, time and cost of putting a 110 page statement together with 2500 supporting documents, a detailed experts report on the ACL loan deal........ and we haven't got to the main event yet.

I know things are never clear cut in putting things to a court but their counter claim dismissed as no basis in law, a lengthy & costly statement dismissed, an experts report stated as not relevant ............. does make you wonder as to what they are doing and the advice they are getting

It wasn't really a case of winners or losers as such today ....... it was a process to go through that is quite normal usually.....but it does come across as a miscalculation by SISU though

ps Simon could have put SISU QC on twitter stupot would have been more accurate
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I would be interested to understand the total costs involved for all the areas you outlined and include the costs involved in the rent dispute, administration of CCFC and CCFC H, etc.

I expect these costs to be significant and the club could have simply purchased half of ACL for £6.5 million. This choice would have led to no points deductions, no transfer embargos, no loss of fans, higher income and maybe even a promotion to a higher league!
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #475
John_Silletts_Nose said:
I would be interested to understand the total costs involved for all the areas you outlined and include the costs involved in the rent dispute, administration of CCFC and CCFC H, etc.

I expect these costs to be significant and the club could have simply purchased half of ACL for £6.5 million. This choice would have led to no points deductions, no transfer embargos, no loss of fans, higher income and maybe even a promotion to a higher league!
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They're backed into a corner now. It reminds me of the teenagers I work with, keep pushing and they fight harder and harder not to lose face. Give them some time on their own, out of the spotlight and they usually see the error of their ways and calm down.
 
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John_Silletts_Nose

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #476
shmmeee said:
They're backed into a corner now. It reminds me of the teenagers I work with, keep pushing and they fight harder and harder not to lose face. Give them some time on their own, out of the spotlight and they usually see the error of their ways and calm down.
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Or you could speak to their parents, in this case the investors.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #477
shmmeee said:
You mean with the admin process? I didn't think ACL had been in court yet, though frankly I'm losing track of court cases, we have more of those than matches these days.
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Misread it, though he's said Higgs.

Re: Admin process, no one won that one


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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #478
John_Silletts_Nose said:
Or you could speak to their parents, in this case the investors.
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To carry on the analogy, in many cases speaking to the parents will only confirm your suspicions of where the behaviour comes from.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #479
stupot07 said:
Misread it, though he's said Higgs.

Re: Admin process, no one won that one


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Agreed on the admin thing.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #480
stupot07 said:
Misread it, though he's said Higgs.

Re: Admin process, no one won that one


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Re the admin process: Paul Appletons bank account says differently.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #481
John_Silletts_Nose said:
I would be interested to understand the total costs involved for all the areas you outlined and include the costs involved in the rent dispute, administration of CCFC and CCFC H, etc.

I expect these costs to be significant and the club could have simply purchased half of ACL for £6.5 million. This choice would have led to no points deductions, no transfer embargos, no loss of fans, higher income and maybe even a promotion to a higher league!
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Am I imagining it or was it not 4.5 million?
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #482
So JS wrote a 100 page statement.....
 

sw88

Chief Commentator!
  • May 14, 2014
  • #483
dongonzalos said:
So JS wrote a 100 page statement.....
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So that's what she's been doing since 2007........

And escaped the photographers. How does she do it?
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #484
Grendel said:
And how does the stance of "don't let sisu get the Ricoh for cheap" help the club?
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Because on five years form if SISU did get the Ricoh on the cheap there is no evidence it would benefit the club anyway. That is the point! People do not trust SISU because of the way they, no one else has handled things.
 
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John_Silletts_Nose

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #485
dongonzalos said:
Am I imagining it or was it not 4.5 million?
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You are correct it was not £4.5 million.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #486
John_Silletts_Nose said:
You are correct it was not £4.5 million.
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Are we talking about the "formula" price, or the deal Sisu walked away from?
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #487
shmmeee said:
Are we talking about the "formula" price, or the deal Sisu walked away from?
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The one SISU walked away from I thought that was 4 million?
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #488
Hobo said:
Because on five years form if SISU did get the Ricoh on the cheap there is no evidence it would benefit the club anyway. That is the point! People do not trust SISU because of the way they, no one else has handled things.
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So far I do not feel that they have made decisions in the best interests of the club.
We need owners who realise success on the pitch is the answer...
 

sw88

Chief Commentator!
  • May 14, 2014
  • #489
oldskyblue58 said:
I think the point is that the case is about the procedures undertaken by CCC regarding the loan to ACL.

So not really to do with CCFC as such. Any contact was between SISU and CCC so SISU would already have title to their side of the documents.

The costs. These must be mounting up. 8 barristers and lawyers for the Higgs case 5 for this today, time and cost of putting a 110 page statement together with 2500 supporting documents, a detailed experts report on the ACL loan deal........ and we haven't got to the main event yet.

I know things are never clear cut in putting things to a court but their counter claim dismissed as no basis in law, a lengthy & costly statement dismissed, an experts report stated as not relevant ............. does make you wonder as to what they are doing and the advice they are getting

It wasn't really a case of winners or losers as such today ....... it was a process to go through that is quite normal usually.....but it does come across as a miscalculation by SISU though

ps Simon could have put SISU QC on twitter stupot would have been more accurate
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I think today was a waste of the judges time!

For SISU to turn up and want to add more and more evidence is laughable. Glad the judge seen sense to dismiss most of their requests
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #490
sw88 said:
So that's what she's been doing since 2007........

And escaped the photographers. How does she do it?
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What does her doing this at the last minute suggest?
 
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