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Council and Sky Blues in court tomorrow (6 Viewers)

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  • Start date May 13, 2014
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Danceswithhorses

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #351
fernandopartridge said:
The council borrowed the money themselves and also have to repay with interest. All cancels each other out if ACL repay.
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Feel free to correct me if i am wrong, but aren't CCC charging ACL more interest than than they are paying ?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #352
Astute said:
But is loaning money to a company that you own 50% of distorted competition? That is the part I can't get my braincell around.
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Who knows. . Possibly. The court is to decide I suppose.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #353
Deary me. Really?

Kingokings204 said:
Ccc win whoooooohoooooooooooooo
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #354
Fair enough. Let's get on with the JR.

Kingokings204 said:
Simon Gilbert @TheSimonGilbert · 45s CCFC not able to access documents from individual councillors including Mutton and Duggins judge rules.
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #355
fernandopartridge said:
Who knows. . Possibly. The court is to decide I suppose.
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Yep the whole relevance of the JR ,we can't answer only the judge and it looks possible to be kicked again Into the long grass .

IS someone not looking for a resolution here ?
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #356
torchomatic said:
Deary me. Really?
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Only a laugh Torch. Sorry
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #357
torchomatic said:
Fair enough. Let's get on with the JR.
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Bloody hope so!!
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #358
torchomatic said:
Another big if is people on here state that if SISU got the Ricoh then they would liquidate the club. Doesn't stop them using it as a cast iron fact.
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Only people that want to see SISU get the Ricoh on the cheap seem to be the ones that make the accusations that ANTI SISU supporters make comments that way. I am not anti SISU in that way. I want to see them gone as I see the damage they are and have done to our club. I see that they could liquidate our club. They have been threatening to liquidate our club for a couple of years now. All we are getting is stupid court cases wasting lots of money when they could get round a table and sort their differences out. But it isn't the SISU way.

Liquidation is always a possibility. Only an idiot would say differently.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #359
I guess this outcome doesn't matter too much and nothing has changed from before this court date so we go into the JR still on june 10th. I didn't hear it was indeed pushed back which would be a blow for everyone including us fans.

I like everyone else want ccfc back at the ricoh and there has to be a deal to be done that everyone benefits from. I hope the JR is what its building up to be but im a cov fan and it could just be another anti climax.
 
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DaleM

New Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #360
Astute said:
But is loaning money to a company that you own 50% of distorted competition? That is the part I can't get my braincell around.
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Bit like Arvo lending money to CCFC / CCFCH/ Otium etc etc
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #361
torchomatic said:
This bit is interesting. I always thought that CCC didn't borrow the money but used funds they already had in reserve?

The Council to use its prudential powers to borrow the s
um of £14.4 million.



The Council to provide a loan of £14.4 million to Arena Coventry Limited.
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Basically I think this means that the only way that this is going to cost the Coventry council tax payers is if sisu succeed in distressing ACL (if that is indeed what they're trying to do, my lawyer's have asked me to say) to the point that ACL go tits up leaving CCC and the Coventry council tax payers to cover the loan.
 

olderskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #362
CCFC QC states desire to retain June 10th JR date....

CCFC QC wants 2500 documents to be considered, it's important for context....

Maybe a slight contradiction.. ??
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #363
Kingokings204 said:
I guess this outcome doesn't matter too much and nothing has changed from before this court date so we go into the JR still on june 10th. I didn't hear it was indeed pushed back which would be a blow for everyone including us fans.
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The talk of it being pushed back was because SISU wanted access to so many documents. If they had been give access I suspect they would have been given more time to go over them resulting in the JR being delayed. Can't see any reason now that things won't go ahead on schedule.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #364
A lot of things are a possibility but I don't go round worrying about them.

Astute said:
Liquidation is always a possibility. Only an idiot would say differently.
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #365
wingy said:
IS someone not looking for a resolution here ?
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A resolution would be fabulous, but I honestly can't see this JR being the resolution.

More another step on the path to hades.
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #366
torchomatic said:
Nitpicking surely? There is still a £14M sized hole in the councils' coffers.
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Yes I suppose it is nit picking but then that's what court cases can hinge on.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #367
chiefdave said:
I think the idea is that the loan is secured against an asset (the lease) and should SISU default the council gain possession of an asset of greater value than the outstanding balance.
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I assume typo
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • May 14, 2014
  • #368
Those on here who contradictthemselves to defend the council at all costs are unbeliveable.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #369
Application to submit Miss Seppala's 110 page statement and 1,000 pages of illustrations dismissed by judge

Looking bad for sisu folks.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #370
olderskyblue said:
CCFC QC states desire to retain June 10th JR date....

CCFC QC wants 2500 documents to be considered, it's important for context....

Maybe a slight contradiction.. ??
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Very.........
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #371
Simon Gilbert @TheSimonGilbert · 8s Application to enter expert CCFC evidence which suggested ACL deal was a bad one dismissed.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #372
Kingokings204 said:
Application to submit Miss Seppala's 110 page statement and 1,000 pages of illustrations dismissed by judge

Looking bad for sisu folks.[/QU


2-0......
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #373
Simon Gilbert @TheSimonGilbert · 50s Judge says it's not relevant and came late. If he'd accepted would almost certainly have delayed June 10 JR
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #374
3-0.......

Bring on the subs ,take Rodrie off.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #375
Glad it wasn't accepted in that case. I think it's important the JR is heard asap.

Kingokings204 said:
Simon Gilbert @TheSimonGilbert · 50s Judge says it's not relevant and came late. If he'd accepted would almost certainly have delayed June 10 JR
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #376
wingy said:
3-0.......

Bring on the subs ,take Rodrie off.
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They certainly need a Palace-esque last few minutes to be able to spin this as anything other than a defeat.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #377
Simon Gilbert @TheSimonGilbert · 1m Costs will be decided at end of JR. Including costs of today's hearing.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #378
chiefdave said:
They certainly need a Palace-esque last few minutes to be able to spin this as anything other than a defeat.
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Lets get to the replay!!
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #379
wingy are you a ccfc fan or a council fan?

never seen you this happy when cov 3 up(although that might be because we will lose such a lead more often than not)
 
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DaleM

New Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #380
Kingokings204 said:
Simon Gilbert @TheSimonGilbert · 1m Costs will be decided at end of JR. Including costs of today's hearing.
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Fucking hell . Another million down the swanny . Fucking bandying other peoples money around seems to be a doddle for this lot.
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #381
wingy said:
Yep the whole relevance of the JR ,we can't answer only the judge and it looks possible to be kicked again Into the long grass .

IS someone not looking for a resolution here ?
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In fairness at the point of the original application for the JR it was reported that the Council wanted as early a court date as possible. From reading Simon Gilbert's tweets the SISU QC seems to be pushing for the same. I think both sides want this to get in front of a judge, which perhaps suggests they both think they've got a fair shout of a result.

It does sound as if SISU haven't quite got their way today: They've been given access to the ACL minutes from Aug 2012 (which the Council volunteereed at the start of the hearing). However they haven't been granted access to the notes from individual Councillors (Duggins and Mutton), they haven't been allowed to submit Joy Sepalla's 110 page statement(!), and they haven't been allowed to introduce expert evidence from their side supporting their contention that the ACL deal was a bad one.

Costs for this hearing, and the JR, to be decided after the JR.

All courtesy of Simon Gilbert's twitter feed this, I should say. https://twitter.com/TheSimonGilbert
 

olderskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #382
Kingokings204 said:
Simon Gilbert @TheSimonGilbert · 1m Costs will be decided at end of JR. Including costs of today's hearing.
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important to state that the costs aren't 1m.... that was the time since Simon tweet

fook me, just checked simons tweet and its just gone up to 5m..!!
 
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #383
Good job he didn't read it after half an hour then?

olderskyblue said:
important to state that the costs aren't 1m.... that was the time since Simon tweet
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James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #384
TheRoyalScam said:
Was that 'GlobalExpense' by any chance??!
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Think it may have been or an in house version, I've definitely used GE somewhere though.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #385
Sick Boy said:
Those on here who contradictthemselves to defend the council at all costs are unbeliveable.
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? Who's defending the Council at all costs? They seem to be doing that quite well themselves.
 
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