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Council and Sky Blues in court tomorrow (7 Viewers)

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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #316
torchomatic said:
Same with me. I have to provide receipts for all my travel and claims. Does seem strange.
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We have minutes for a discussion about buying a pencil sharpener back in 1993.

Riveting stuff.
 
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The Gentleman

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #317
Ian1779 said:
Unbelievable - you sound like a politician.
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What's unbelievable, the fact that I am not bothered that the Council loaned someone money to be re-payed with a bit of profit and no-one loses. Something about ACL/CCC really does seem to bother you though as it is mainly these type of threads that you seem to come out on, you sure you blame all sides?
 

torchomatic

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #318
This bit is interesting. I always thought that CCC didn't borrow the money but used funds they already had in reserve?

The Council to use its prudential powers to borrow the s
um of £14.4 million.

The Council to provide a loan of £14.4 million to Arena Coventry Limited.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #319
Should a meeting talking about borrowing £14m been minuted? Hnmmmmm
 

torchomatic

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #320
So how much interest do they lose by not having £14M in their account?

Danceswithhorses said:
£14 million less in cash
£14 million more in debtors (ie an asset), with interest due as extra income.

Think you forgot to mention that
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Grendel

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #321
torchomatic said:
This bit is interesting. I always thought that CCC didn't borrow the money but used funds they already had in reserve?

The Council to use its prudential powers to borrow the s
um of £14.4 million.

The Council to provide a loan of £14.4 million to Arena Coventry Limited.
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I thought they got it from some central fund or something?
 

torchomatic

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #322
Me too. Maybe that's what Prudential borrowing is? Someone else may know.

I guess though as long as they get more interest from ACL than they are paying for the loan then all is hunky dory?

Grendel said:
I thought they got it from some central fund or something?
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Astute

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #323
torchomatic said:
This bit is interesting. I always thought that CCC didn't borrow the money but used funds they already had in reserve?

The Council to use its prudential powers to borrow the s
um of £14.4 million.

The Council to provide a loan of £14.4 million to Arena Coventry Limited.
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A fair few and myself said several times that CCC got a loan of 14.4m and then loaned it to ACL. IIRC they also charged a slightly higher interest rate to ACL than they got it for. But yourself and others still said it was taxpayers money.

You would have lost out on a technicality in court
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #324
Danceswithhorses said:
£14 million less in cash
£14 million more in debtors (ie an asset), with interest due as extra income.

Think you forgot to mention that
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The council borrowed the money themselves and also have to repay with interest. All cancels each other out if ACL repay.
 

torchomatic

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #325
Apologies then, missed that. I was always under the impression that they used their own cash.

Astute said:
A fair few and myself said several times that CCC got a loan of 14.4m and then loaned it to ACL. IIRC they also charged a slightly higher interest rate to ACL than they got it for. But yourself and others still said it was taxpayers money.

You would have lost out on a technicality in court
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wingy

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #326
Is It over the yet ??


The stats suggest CCFC had 80% of play based on Tweets ,however we're still awaiting the first goal.

Wonder how many pages this thread will run to,I'm f***ing dreading a delay to the JR ,horendous prospect .

When will this stop??
 

Astute

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #327
torchomatic said:
Apologies then, missed that. I was always under the impression that they used their own cash.
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No problem. So much crap has gone on that us normal supporters will never be able to keep up with everything.
 
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wingy

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #328
torchomatic said:
Apologies then, missed that. I was always under the impression that they used their own cash.
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Must have had the Blinkers on !! :thinking about:
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #329
I've stated on here before that prudential borrowing is councils borrowing from the financial markets. It's not like using the public borrowing scheme that gives preferential rates. Not sure what rate the council are paying.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • May 14, 2014
  • #330
wingy said:
Is It over the yet ??


The stats suggest CCFC had 80% of play based on Tweets ,however we're still awaiting the first goal.

Wonder how many pages this thread will run to,I'm f***ing dreading a delay to the JR ,horendous prospect .

When will this stop??
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When SISU get the arena or finally give up
 
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The Gentleman

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #331
wingy said:
Is It over the yet ??


The stats suggest CCFC had 80% of play based on Tweets ,however we're still awaiting the first goal.

Wonder how many pages this thread will run to,I'm f***ing dreading a delay to the JR ,horendous prospect .

When will this stop??
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Cannot go on 80% of the play though, Chelsea turned Liverpool at Anfield over recently with those sort of possession stats (where Stupot when you need him)
 

olderskyblue

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #332
fernandopartridge said:
I've stated on here before that prudential borrowing is councils borrowing from the financial markets. It's not like using the public borrowing scheme that gives preferential rates. Not sure what rate the council are paying.
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So what's this mean FP ? That you were right all along....again..
 

Astute

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #333
fernandopartridge said:
I've stated on here before that prudential borrowing is councils borrowing from the financial markets. It's not like using the public borrowing scheme that gives preferential rates. Not sure what rate the council are paying.
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Would be a much lower rate than ACL or ourselves could get. That is why ACL were able to offer a much lower rent to SISU.
 

chiefdave

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #334
torchomatic said:
This bit is interesting. I always thought that CCC didn't borrow the money but used funds they already had in reserve?

The Council to use its prudential powers to borrow the s
um of £14.4 million.

The Council to provide a loan of £14.4 million to Arena Coventry Limited.
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I had an argument with one of the councillors about that. Basically accused them of saying it was coming from central funds when it was actually paid out of their reserves and was told it was an administration thing. It had been decided that it was the most efficient way to carry out the transaction and the money paid out of the reserves would be covered by money coming in from the loan and that as the interest rate ACL were being charged was higher than the interest rate CCC were receiving from the bank CCC would not lose any money on the transaction.
 
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The Gentleman

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #335
fernandopartridge said:
I've stated on here before that prudential borrowing is councils borrowing from the financial markets. It's not like using the public borrowing scheme that gives preferential rates. Not sure what rate the council are paying.
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So if the Council are getting better rates off ACL than they are paying on the loan there is no problem?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #336
Astute said:
A fair few and myself said several times that CCC got a loan of 14.4m and then loaned it to ACL. IIRC they also charged a slightly higher interest rate to ACL than they got it for. But yourself and others still said it was taxpayers money.

You would have lost out on a technicality in court
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Who repays it if ACL go belly up?
 
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Kingokings204

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #337
Judge summing up:

Is it another nil all draw. (WORST PHRASE EVER)
 
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wingy

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #338
Astute said:
When SISU get the arena or finally give up
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Maybe this JR will happen after December when all the loans get called In.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #339
The Gentleman said:
So if the Council are getting better rates off ACL than they are paying on the loan there is no problem?
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That's possibly distorted competition. ACL have been able to access a rate that other companies haven't.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #340
This should of been finished at 4pm. Extra time here folks with sisu a man down. Holding out for the draw now.
 

Astute

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #341
fernandopartridge said:
Who repays it if ACL go belly up?
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Big if isn't it. I would say that repayments will be down to about 300k. And ACL have been doing better than that. If that is the case SISU are about to pay them two years worth of payments. Why do you think they are so pissed off with the remortgage?
 

chiefdave

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #342
fernandopartridge said:
Who repays it if ACL go belly up?
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I think the idea is that the loan is secured against an asset (the lease) and should SISU default the council gain possession of an asset of greater value than the outstanding balance. They can either put the lease up for sale in the hope of achieving a sale price greater than the amount owed or takeover the running of the arena and hope that profits are higher than repayments.

Of course the flip side is that if no one wants to buy it or the arena doesn't make enough money then they will have to cover repayments, presumably from reserves.
 

Astute

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #343
fernandopartridge said:
That's possibly distorted competition. ACL have been able to access a rate that other companies haven't.
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But is loaning money to a company that you own 50% of distorted competition? That is the part I can't get my braincell around.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #344
chiefdave said:
I think the idea is that the loan is secured against an asset (the lease) and should SISU default the council gain possession of an asset of greater value than the outstanding balance. They can either put the lease up for sale in the hope of achieving a sale price greater than the amount owed or takeover the running of the arena and hope that profits are higher than repayments.

Of course the flip side is that if no one wants to buy it or the arena doesn't make enough money then they will have to cover repayments, presumably from reserves.
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The lease reverts to the council if ACL go belly up anyway.
 

James Smith

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #345
torchomatic said:
Same with me. I have to provide receipts for all my travel and claims. Does seem strange.
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I agree a bit odd.

One place I worked at briefly had moved over to an online system for expenses and it was causing a few headaches. One girl had spent £200+ on a train ticket and hotel room/meals after a day visit to another office up North had resulted in an overnight stay. She got back to claim her expenses complete with receipts etc. to discover her boss was away and was the only person who could authorise her on the system. The firms finance people said they couldn't pay her expenses without her boss okaying everything but could offer her a loan. This loan would be interest free but that would make it a taxable benefit and would therefore probably need to be declared on her P60 etc. She gave up and put everything on the credit cards until her boss got back from holiday to okay it.
 

torchomatic

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #346
Another big if is people on here state that if SISU got the Ricoh then they would liquidate the club. Doesn't stop them using it as a cast iron fact.

Astute said:
Big if isn't it. I would say that repayments will be down to about 300k. And ACL have been doing better than that. If that is the case SISU are about to pay them two years worth of payments. Why do you think they are so pissed off with the remortgage?
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Kingokings204

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #347
Ccc win whoooooohoooooooooooooo
 

Philosoraptor

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #348
Results out..
 
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Kingokings204

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #349
Simon Gilbert @TheSimonGilbert · 45s CCFC not able to access documents from individual councillors including Mutton and Duggins judge rules.
 

TheRoyalScam

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  • May 14, 2014
  • #350
James Smith said:
I agree a bit odd.

One place I worked at briefly had moved over to an online system for expenses and it was causing a few headaches. One girl had spent £200+ on a train ticket and hotel room/meals after a day visit to another office up North had resulted in an overnight stay. She got back to claim her expenses complete with receipts etc. to discover her boss was away and was the only person who could authorise her on the system. The firms finance people said they couldn't pay her expenses without her boss okaying everything but could offer her a loan. This loan would be interest free but that would make it a taxable benefit and would therefore probably need to be declared on her P60 etc. She gave up and put everything on the credit cards until her boss got back from holiday to okay it.
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Was that 'GlobalExpense' by any chance??!
 
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