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  • Start date Jun 14, 2023
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theferret

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #281
pusbccfc said:
Fraser's will have 4/5 of them. CBS and Jaguar will have a few. There's hardly that many to go round.
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CBS will have a box/boxes tied into the naming rights deal. Fraser's own the boxes. I'm not sure these companies having multiple boxes would yield the revenue you think it would.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #282
djr8369 said:
There are many ways of building customer relations and gauging pricing levels and phoning round customers doesn’t seem a good method to achieve either.
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You don't seem to have much of a clue on how to run a business. Alienating your customer base isn't a particularly great means of generating revenue.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #283
Notts county launched corporate boxes - £16 grand but does include pie and chips
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #284
If boxes were selling last year at £9k and this year at £25k, we would have to sell 14 to match the revenue. Surely that is doable.
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #285
Grendel said:
Notts county launched corporate boxes - £16 grand but does include pie and chips
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So we are still providing L2 prices!
 
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theferret

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #286
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
You don't seem to have much of a clue on how to run a business. Alienating your customer base isn't a particularly great means of generating revenue.
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Anyone who has owned a business or worked in one will know that rewarding customer loyalty with price breaks or preferential deals in order to maintain the relationship is commonplace. People on here genuinely struggling with this concept.
 

GIMOC

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #287
Ccfcisparks said:
If boxes were selling last year at £9k and this year at £25k, we would have to sell 14 to match the revenue. Surely that is doable.
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so it’s gone from making more money to now trying to match last years revenue while in the meantime making many of the corporate fan’s disgruntled.
 
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theferret

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #288
Grendel said:
Notts county launched corporate boxes - £16 grand but does include pie and chips
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And Birmingham City have boxes at £11K. What's your point?
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #289
theferret said:
Anyone who has owned a business or worked in one will know that rewarding customer loyalty with price breaks or preferential deals in order to maintain the relationship is commonplace. People on here genuinely struggling with this concept.
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10% discounts here and there fine but not the prices they were.
 
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djr8369

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #290
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
You don't seem to have much of a clue on how to run a business. Alienating your customer base isn't a particularly great means of generating revenue.
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What percentage of the customer base are affected? What percentage of those will still have a relationship with the club, just it through buying a corporate box?

I get it, it’s personally inconvenient for you, but the reaction on this thread is odd.

They are clearly aiming at a higher market and presumably have interested parties who they think will pay. Maybe they won’t sell and the pricing is too high. It’s DKs and the clubs gamble to make.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #291
theferret said:
And Birmingham City have boxes at £11K. What's your point?
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Do you have a corporate box?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #292
GIMOC said:
so it’s gone from making more more to now trying to match last years revenue while in the meantime making many of the corporate fan’s disgruntled.
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Not trying to match it, just showing we need to sell at least 35% of boxes for it to be deemed a good commercial decision
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #293
Grendel said:
Notts county launched corporate boxes - £16 grand but does include pie and chips
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Isn't that their highest? There's also ones on their website available for less than £6k.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #294
theferret said:
Anyone who has owned a business or worked in one will know that rewarding customer loyalty with price breaks or preferential deals in order to maintain the relationship is commonplace. People on here genuinely struggling with this concept.
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I run a business and I haven’t a clue what you are so annoyed about
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #295
As if people think they would hike the prices without gauging interest in the boxes at the new prices first.
 
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djr8369

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #296
pusbccfc said:
Stadium sponsors and partners. They'll be in on it 100%.

JLR were just an example of a localish business that will be keen.
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I’m not sure JLR would be interested these days.

Funnily enough raising prices and going for a different market. Farmers are furious they weren’t consulted and can’t replace their old Land Rovers.
 
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theferret

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #297
Grendel said:
Do you have a corporate box?
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Again, what's your point?
 

GIMOC

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #298
Ccfcisparks said:
As if people think they would hike the prices without gauging interest in the boxes at the new prices first.
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If they had done that then current box holders would have been informed prior
 
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djr8369

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #299
theferret said:
Anyone who has owned a business or worked in one will know that rewarding customer loyalty with price breaks or preferential deals in order to maintain the relationship is commonplace. People on here genuinely struggling with this concept.
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Yeah great way of maintaining stagnant revenue.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #300
theferret said:
Again, what's your point?
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Well if you don’t then your interest in this very small percentage of fans is strange
 
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theferret

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #301
Grendel said:
I run a business and I haven’t a clue what you are so annoyed about
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What does you owning a business have to do with anything?
 
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theferret

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #302
Grendel said:
Well if you don’t then your interest in this very small percentage of fans is strange
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It's an important and disproportionate revenue source though and this is a big risk imo. I am free to question that even if it doesn't affect me directly.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #303
Anyone mentioning people they know who won't be renewing their box are missing the point that this is the plan.

They want companies that'll use the boxes as corporate boxes instead.

Might flop but they know and are happy that most current holders won't renew.
 
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skyblu3sk

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #304
theferret said:
It's an important and disproportionate revenue source though and this is a big risk imo. I am free to question that even if it doesn't affect me directly.
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Its a fairly small revenue stream vs season tickets isn't it?
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #305
djr8369 said:
What percentage of the customer base are affected? What percentage of those will still have a relationship with the club, just it through buying a corporate box?

I get it, it’s personally inconvenient for you, but the reaction on this thread is odd.

They are clearly aiming at a higher market and presumably have interested parties who they think will pay. Maybe they won’t sell and the pricing is too high. It’s DKs and the clubs gamble to make.
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It's hardly odd if it affects you personally. Fair enough if it doesn't for you but why are you commenting if it doesn't? If anything that's far more bizarre.

They clearly are aiming at a higher market - but a higher market simply doesn't exist in the local region.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #306
theferret said:
It's an important and disproportionate revenue source though and this is a big risk imo. I am free to question that even if it doesn't affect me directly.
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I would suggest it’s a fairly small revenue source.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #307
David O'Day said:
Anyone mentioning people they know who won't be renewing their box are missing the point that this is the plan.

They want companies that'll use the boxes as corporate boxes instead.

Might flop but they know and are happy that most current holders won't renew.
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Christ. What companies from outside the area are going to spend on a box of a mid-table Championship club??

This argument is absurd.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #308
theferret said:
Anyone who has owned a business or worked in one will know that rewarding customer loyalty with price breaks or preferential deals in order to maintain the relationship is commonplace. People on here genuinely struggling with this concept.
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That's a great recipe for ever decreasing profit margins especially as unlike most businesses there is not a way to grow new business while keeping all the current customers at the current pricing.

I.e. there is only an finite number of boxes.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #309
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Christ. What companies from outside the area are going to spend on a box of a mid-table Championship club??

This argument is absurd.
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It's not my argument, it's the clubs. They have talked about bigger and better companies in before.

We are also not as things stand a mid table championship team
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #310
Worst case scenario they don’t sell any boxes:
Lose £360k from lost revenue of previous occupiers

best case they sell all boxes:
Earn £640k extra revenue compared to the prior year.

surely the potential upside outweighs the downside.

like David said we only have a finite number of boxes, so best to try and mark them up as high as possible.
 
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Perryccfc

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #311
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Christ. What companies from outside the area are going to spend on a box of a mid-table Championship club??

This argument is absurd.
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Midtable? Are you still talking about Cov, or?
 
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skyblu3sk

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #312
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Christ. What companies from outside the area are going to spend on a box of a mid-table Championship club??

This argument is absurd.
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Mid table? I get you are emotional but we made the playoffs last year...
 
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djr8369

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #313
Ccfcisparks said:
I would suggest it’s a fairly small revenue source.
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20 boxes at £25k each is half a mil. Less then 10% of season ticket revenue I reckon, although that’s without drinks purchases etc.
 
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pusbccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #314
Ccfcisparks said:
Worst case scenario they don’t sell any boxes:
Lose £360k from lost revenue of previous occupiers

best case they sell all boxes:
Earn £640k extra revenue compared to the prior year.

surely the potential upside outweighs the downside.

like David said we only have a finite number of boxes, so best to try and mark them up as high as possible.
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Plus they'll sell match by match boxes. It won't be too difficult to sell a box for £1250 for Leeds at home.

From what I gather, they had not been able to offer any box packages for home games this season?
 
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djr8369

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  • Jun 14, 2023
  • #315
djr8369 said:
20 boxes at £25k each is half a mil. Less then 10% of season ticket revenue I reckon, although that’s without drinks purchases etc.
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Old pricing scheme would have been sub 5% of season ticket revenue, although I’m using rough numbers.
 
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