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CV22SBA

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  • Jun 19, 2023
  • #526
DazzleTommyDazzle said:
That was me.

Entertainment is not tax deductible in the UK.

It will be deducted as part of the calculation of accounting profit, but then has to be added back as part of the tax computation.

If VoR is deducting it from his taxable profit he'll have to hope he doesn't get an HMRC audit
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Entertaining your “staff” at a football match is tax deductible. Now you’re either a bad accountant or you need to get a new accountant
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #527
CV22SBA said:
Entertaining your “staff” at a football match is tax deductible. Now you’re either a bad accountant or you need to get a new accountant
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Ehm ,, you have included the word 'staff' which makes a difference.

Do remember the cost inc VAT may be a staff benefit in kind that is taxed at the employees highest rate PLUS Employers National Insurance at 13.8%

So don't get too excited!

Expenses and benefits: entertainment

Tax and reporting rules for employers providing entertainment for clients
www.gov.uk
 
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ajl

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #528
rob9872 said:
It's the sense of entitlement that's odd from those who have enjoyed cheaper corporate or boxes. Would I have liked one? Sure. But I couldn't afford one so I sat in the stands.

They've had one priced that they could afford, now they either can't afford or can't justify the cost so move on and sit with the rest of us who can't afford one.

It doesn't make them any more important because for a few seasons they could put more than the average fan in, we've all done what we can. I had a season ticket in L2, at Brum, through Covid when we couldn't go and since we returned to CBS, just like many of you on here will have too. We're all equal in my eyes of supporting the club when it needed us most and spent what we could afford.

The thing the club have got wrong imo is the delay in getting them out not enabling them to find other premium seats.
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The delay was due to the Arena and Frasers changing their corporate packages, getting new caterers in,

Ie Frasers new it was shit, so they invested in it, but that meant cov couldn't put prices out as they didn't know the outgoings, so Coventry didn't delay it, they had to wait to find out how much was going to have to be spent on the corporate packages, to then get the revenue they wanted

I personally can't blame them for that

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rob9872

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #529
ajl said:
The delay was due to the Arena and Frasers changing their corporate packages, getting new caterers in,

Ie Frasers new it was shit, so they invested in it, but that meant cov couldn't put prices out as they didn't know the outgoings, so Coventry didn't delay it, they had to wait to find out how much was going to have to be spent on the corporate packages, to then get the revenue they wanted

I personally can't blame them for that

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I wasn't aware of that, however did they contact all corporate season ticket holders when the premium offer was made to make them aware of that and give them a choice? To my knowledge they were simply not released yet.
 
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CV22SBA

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #530
oldfiver said:
Ehm ,, you have included the word 'staff' which makes a difference.

Do remember the cost inc VAT may be a staff benefit in kind that is taxed at the employees highest rate PLUS Employers National Insurance at 13.8%

So don't get too excited!

Expenses and benefits: entertainment

Tax and reporting rules for employers providing entertainment for clients
www.gov.uk
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Don’t you think they all use the word “staff”.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #531
ajl said:
The delay was due to the Arena and Frasers changing their corporate packages, getting new caterers in,

Ie Frasers new it was shit, so they invested in it, but that meant cov couldn't put prices out as they didn't know the outgoings, so Coventry didn't delay it, they had to wait to find out how much was going to have to be spent on the corporate packages, to then get the revenue they wanted
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I know someone who works on the catering side. He said a few weeks ago the facilities there are barely functioning as Wasps just let everything fall apart. Good to hear that Frasers are cracking on with the remedial work that is needed
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #532
CV22SBA said:
Don’t you think they all use the word “staff”.
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Probably - the same people may also not complete BIK returns. However if on a PAYE audit or similar these errors are spotted it could be costly. The employee could have a tax bill at 40% rate, the Employer will be paying extra NI at 13.8% plus penalties

Not complying with the regulations is not the same as saying they don't exist!
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #533
DazzleTommyDazzle said:
That was me.

Entertainment is not tax deductible in the UK.

It will be deducted as part of the calculation of accounting profit, but then has to be added back as part of the tax computation.

If VoR is deducting it from his taxable profit he'll have to hope he doesn't get an HMRC audit
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If that’s now the case, how the hell do all the insurance companies get away with their involvement in sport , cricket, rugby , football matches and golf days etc ?
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #534
Executive boxes, Premier League STs, Premium Zones, increased price kids tickets……The value of all these options will ultimately be judged on team performances and results. A quality season at the right end of the table and dissent will be minimal ,If it’s poor quality football and league position…..There will be outrage.
 
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Deity

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #535
Ashdown said:
Executive boxes, Premier League STs, Premium Zones, increased price kids tickets……The value of all these options will ultimately be judged on team performances and results. A quality season at the right end of the table and dissent will be minimal ,If it’s poor quality football and league position…..There will be outrage.
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You would need to be a little odd to be outraged for paying the going rate to attend something.

if I go to the cinema I’m not annoyed with the price of the ticket if the film is poor.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #536
Deity said:
You would need to be a little odd to be outraged for paying the going rate to attend something.

if I go to the cinema I’m not annoyed with the price of the ticket if the film is poor.
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You think people will be happy after six years of progress if when we put prices up we go backwards?
 

Robinshio

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #537
Ashdown said:
If that’s now the case, how the hell do all the insurance companies get away with their involvement in sport , cricket, rugby , football matches and golf days etc ?
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Advertising versus entertainment
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #538
Ashdown said:
If that’s now the case, how the hell do all the insurance companies get away with their involvement in sport , cricket, rugby , football matches and golf days etc ?
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If they sponsor it, then it's allowable for tax, subject to certain tests - basically is it really a commercial deal to benefit the sponsoring company or are they trying to scam HMRC.
 

ccfcchris

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #539
shmmeee said:
Nope. That’s Championship football. You want to stop losing money you go up or down. King knew this just like Sisu did. I won’t feel pity for owners of football clubs losing money. If Championship football isn’t for you don’t get involved.
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I never mentioned King. If we want a sustainable football club we have to reduce losses and live within our means. I think it's obvious King hasn't got big money to splaff at the club so ways must be found to increase revenue.

Even MR is saying it's all about incremental steps.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #540
ccfcchris said:
I never mentioned King. If we want a sustainable football club we have to reduce losses and live within our means. I think it's obvious King hasn't got big money to splaff at the club so ways must be found to increase revenue.

Even MR is saying it's all about incremental steps.
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Again, there are no sustainable clubs at this level.
 

ccfcchris

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #541
shmmeee said:
Again, there are no sustainable clubs at this level.
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Well, get used to it. We ain't getting someone who's going spunk millions into the team trying to get to the Prem. You may not like it but the way they're doing things is the best approach for me.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #542
ccfcchris said:
Well, get used to it. We ain't getting someone who's going spunk millions into the team trying to get to the Prem. You may not like it but the way they're doing things is the best approach for me.
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The way they are doing it is fine….as long as all this increased input by supporters improves the club in every way ….We’ve had all the chat from owners before to find …..a number of wankers have had their fingers in the pie
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 20, 2023
  • #543
ccfcchris said:
Well, get used to it. We ain't getting someone who's going spunk millions into the team trying to get to the Prem. You may not like it but the way they're doing things is the best approach for me.
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Nice straw man you’ve built there.

So is the plan to drop down to L1 if it’s not getting to the Prem?

Saying we won’t sign players while we’re losing money is saying we won’t ever sign players. There aren’t enough revenue increases and cost cuts to do that.
 

ccfcchris

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #544
I've built nothing. Just pointing out how it makes me laugh how people like yourself sit back and criticize other people and how they should spend their money to your liking.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #545
Deity said:
if I go to the cinema I’m not annoyed with the price of the ticket if the film is poor.
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I am!
 

Samo

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #546
Deleted member 5849 said:
I am!
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Then you should be more discerning.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 21, 2023
  • #547
Samo said:
Then you should be more discerning.
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Being a Marvel fan now is like being a City fan under Andy Thorn…
 

pusbccfc

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  • Aug 12, 2023
  • #548
Happy to admit I was wrong. Majority empty today.


The positive is that it fills out the rest of the stadium.
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Aug 13, 2023
  • #549
pusbccfc said:
Happy to admit I was wrong. Majority empty today. View attachment 31392


The positive is that it fills out the rest of the stadium.
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In the interest of balance and fairness

I caved in to getting ‘The Mill’ membership for the season and was majorly impressed and looks a snip at the price paid so hats off
 
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slowpoke

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  • Aug 13, 2023
  • #550
pusbccfc said:
Happy to admit I was wrong. Majority empty today. View attachment 31392


The positive is that it fills out the rest of the stadium.
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Will grow I’m sure, how many were unsold.
 

pusbccfc

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  • Aug 13, 2023
  • #551
alexccfc99 said:
In the interest of balance and fairness

I caved in to getting ‘The Mill’ membership for the season and was majorly impressed and looks a snip at the price paid so hats off
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Seems plenty moved from boxes to there.
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 13, 2023
  • #552
alexccfc99 said:
In the interest of balance and fairness

I caved in to getting ‘The Mill’ membership for the season and was majorly impressed and looks a snip at the price paid so hats off
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What do you get for that, a decent seat and access to The Mill (which is presumably closed to non corporate)?
 

hill83

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  • Aug 13, 2023
  • #553
alexccfc99 said:
In the interest of balance and fairness

I caved in to getting ‘The Mill’ membership for the season and was majorly impressed and looks a snip at the price paid so hats off
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Shame you can’t wear hats
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Aug 13, 2023
  • #554
Yea tbf even Dougs privately acknowledged he fucked up on this. Wouldn't be surprised to see a 'flash sale' of boxes or something in the coming weeks
 
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MAFF

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  • Aug 13, 2023
  • #555
Saddlebrains said:
Yea tbf even Dougs privately acknowledged he fucked up on this. Wouldn't be surprised to see a 'flash sale' of boxes or something in the coming weeks
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what happened in the end? did he offer boxes at a discounted rate to holders from last season?
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Aug 13, 2023
  • #556
MAFF said:
what happened in the end? did he offer boxes at a discounted rate to holders from last season?
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He did yea, i think they went down to 20k. But still only a few took that up.

Lesson learnt i suppose. If next season he makes the box prices more reflective of what you actually get for your money, gets kits released on time and ensures that there isnt a 4th season running where ST's are late it will show hes listened and learnt
 
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 13, 2023
  • #557
Box pricing will be interesting as it surely will need to be more per person than , for example, Club Coventry.

12 Club Coventry @ £925 = £11,100
3 parking permits @ £250 = £750
Drink and 1 course, say £15 per person per match = £4,140

That totals £15,990 without the “exclusivity” etc of the boxes (limited though they may be). Anything less than £20,000 would make Club Coventry seem overly expensive and poor value, which it already is for me.
 

alexccfc99

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  • Aug 13, 2023
  • #558
PVA said:
What do you get for that, a decent seat and access to The Mill (which is presumably closed to non corporate)?
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Pretty much

Found it a lot more laid back and less formal than normal hospitality, was a big fan and glad I did it
 

Si80

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  • Aug 13, 2023
  • #559
alexccfc99 said:
Pretty much

Found it a lot more laid back and less formal than normal hospitality, was a big fan and glad I did it
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Have they fixed the tv's in there because at the end of last season they were pretty much impossible to watch. Good choice of beers though.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 13, 2023
  • #560
Saddlebrains said:
He did yea, i think they went down to 20k. But still only a few took that up.

Lesson learnt i suppose. If next season he makes the box prices more reflective of what you actually get for your money, gets kits released on time and ensures that there isnt a 4th season running where ST's are late it will show hes listened and learnt
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That’s the thing. As a new owner he’s got a right to make calls and as long as he’s big enough to admit when they don’t work and take responsibility then no worries.

I’d rather we price too high and have to come down than the other way from a business perspective TBH.
 
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