Corners, Why dont we leave one man up the pitch? (3 Viewers)

We'll_live_and_die · Nov 21, 2011

On saturday I noticed a couple of times that when the Iron were taking corners all 10 outfield players for City were in the box. All 10 Outfield players for Iron were well inside our area.

Why oh why do we not leave someone short but relatively quick (Mcsheffrey/Mcdonald) on the half way line, so when we clear the ball it does not come straight back at us? We may even have the chance of hitting them on the counter.

If I can see this why can't managers like Thorn?

Sky Blue Sheepy · Nov 21, 2011

No arguments here. Even Baker could do the job well enough, showed he can still beat a man (albeit based on 15mins on Saturday)

ccfcway · Nov 21, 2011

its the law....

Apparently all CCFC managers sign to say they will have all CCFC players back for a corner..

oldskyblue58 · Nov 21, 2011

We have adopted this tactic for seaons. Coleman and Boothroyd set it up the same. Doesnt give us an outlet and I think it keeps pressure on us

We'll_live_and_die · Nov 21, 2011

The only way we can relieve the pressure realistically is for the ball to go out for a goal kick or go in the back of the net.

kg82 · Nov 21, 2011

Like OSB says, we've had it like that for seasons. I don't get it after all this time, it obviously keeps pressure on us. If you keep a little man up near the halfway line it means that the opposition will normally put 2 back to mark him. That instantly relieves a bit of pressure.

We'll_live_and_die · Nov 21, 2011

kg82 said:
Like OSB says, we've had it like that for seasons. I don't get it after all this time, it obviously keeps pressure on us. If you keep a little man up near the halfway line it means that the opposition will normally put 2 back to mark him. That instantly relieves a bit of pressure.

And gives you a target when clearing instead of knocking up to the opposition or out of play.

kg82 · Nov 21, 2011

Rich said:
And gives you a target when clearing instead of knocking up to the opposition or out of play.

Yeah, and someone like Cody isn't going to be very effective in a box full of brutes either!

sky blue john · Nov 21, 2011

Agreed a lot of teams do it I find it so infuriating. I would go as far as leaving two up on the halfway line. This tactic has a good effect in as much stops the penalty area being so crowded. We have outlets for the clearance. It stops the opposing team from loading players into our box because they have to leave extra players back to cover. Which also makes opposing team have to think about which players to leave back for cover. Say they leave back their smaller players to allow centre halves to go up then these players tend not to be as experienced defensively and can make mistakes when caught on the break. If they leave their centre halves back to cover then they will generally not be as effective offensively at the corner.

Glenn Storer · Nov 21, 2011

sky blue john said:
Agreed a lot of teams do it I find it so infuriating. I would go as far as leaving two up on the halfway line. This tactic has a good effect in as much stops the penalty area being so crowded. We have outlets for the clearance. It stops the opposing team from loading players into our box because they have to leave extra players back to cover. Which also makes opposing team have to think about which players to leave back for cover. Say they leave back their smaller players to allow centre halves to go up then these players tend not to be as experienced defensively and can make mistakes when caught on the break. If they leave their centre halves back to cover then they will generally not be as effective offensively at the corner.

So many teams are doing. I remember when Boothroyd started and was asked why. He responded with "Sir Alex does it".

It just seems to be suicidal, you've got all the pressure immediately coming back at you with no outlet. And like someone said above, your lads like Cody aren't gunna do much in the box, but if the balls breaks away to him it's a chance on. I just don't get it...

Nonleagueherewecome · Nov 21, 2011

We left two men up on Saturday when we were behind!

Glenn Storer · Nov 21, 2011

Nonleagueherewecome said:
We left two men up on Saturday when we were behind!

Fuck me, we are getting desperate.

sky blue john · Nov 21, 2011

Nonleagueherewecome said:
We left two men up on Saturday when we were behind!

Thats when I would have four up there !!!!!!!!!

Grendel · Nov 21, 2011

Nonleagueherewecome said:
We left two men up on Saturday when we were behind!

Correct and although I would like to see Thorn gone on this he cannot be criticised. Be honest, if were one up and left players upfield and we conceded he would be hung out to dry. Also who really do we have who is effective at being left upfield? McSheffrey is hopless at holding up possession. From what I have seen of McDonald he wouldn't move to the ball anyway and Platt and Lucas are needed to defend the set-piece.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Nov 21, 2011

If you ask any other CCFC manager they have always said it is statistically the best way of successfully defending corners.

We'll_live_and_die · Nov 21, 2011

CCFC said:
If you ask any other CCFC manager they have always said it is statistically the best way of successfully defending corners.

That's because we have never tried it the alternative way and therefore have no alternative statistics to compare them too.

Otis · Nov 21, 2011

This is a real bugbear of mine. Drives me crazy.

All you do by bringing all 10 men back is to give any subsequent clearance form the penalty area straight back to the opposition. :facepalm:

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Nov 21, 2011

Rich said:
That's because we have never tried it the alternative way and therefore have no alternative statistics to compare them too.

I assumed they were talking about the rest of the league in general.

Skybluesimon · Nov 21, 2011

Back to Sunday league here!
For my team we leave our quickest player right on the halfway line, and have another man on the edge of the box, this system seems to work well as the pressure is easily relieved and even a hoof forward can lead to a goal. Or you can play the ball out to the man on the edge and pass your way out!
Can't see why this wouldnt work for city! So frustrating...

valiant15 · Nov 21, 2011

Why do we even bother with corners?

sw88 · Nov 21, 2011

colemans excuses, sorry reasons, really irritated me."Man Utd do it", well CC, your not managing Man U and they have players who can counter attack, even from having 11 men back. Or "check the stats" - did he never think to check the goals for / against colum as a whole?

And for Thorn to be the 3rd consecutive manager, if not more (I cant remember if Dowie adopted the tactic too??) I find it really irritating, even more so. One does think thay Harrison may influence this.

Nonleagueherewecome · Nov 21, 2011

valiant15 said:
Why do we even bother with corners?

Yeah, we should just the opposition do whatever they want. That should work out well.

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