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Concerns over the club's direction...... (1 Viewer)

  • Thread starter Paxman II
  • Start date Sep 7, 2024
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blunted

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  • Sep 8, 2024
  • #36
Balli001 said:
Robins did suggest he was part of the decision to axe viveash.
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Must have missed that. Do you have a link? I thought the club has put the shutters up and no one has mentioned what went on at all.
 

blunted

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  • Sep 8, 2024
  • #37
chiefdave said:
its not that hard to read between the lines and there's clearly a reason the ITKs won't outright say what has happened when everything else about the club leaks out in seconds
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Don't think the ITKs know. Loads of people have said bullying, fall out over O'Hare with King or with the new performance management. When you are one year into a four year contract, I don't think it is for organisational reasons.
The way the club have made sure no one talks about Adi and no glowing release about his staggering contribution makes you wonder if a court case is in the offing. Particularly as Adi released his statement via his legal representative.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Sep 8, 2024
  • #38
I think we need to forget about 22/23. It was lightning in a bottle. We struck gold with both Vik and Hamer. I honestly believe the Vik we saw that season was one of the best players to ever play in the championship. Our tactics and style of play were so heavily reliant on both of them. Vik actually played 97% of minutes in the league... that is fucking incredible for the style he plays. The squad was held together with loads of loan players and some who were really playing above their level. We crept in to the playoffs with a very low points tally. The semi could have gone either way too, and we were second best at Wembley and did well to take it to pens.

It wasn't going to be repeated. The changes that we're seeing now are necessary to push the club on.
 
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blunted

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  • Sep 8, 2024
  • #39
Again, I must have missed Robins saying how much happier he was with the new set up. Please could someone please provide a link. Certainly, all I noticed was "It is not my remit" when asked about a Tavares loan to Reading and "No comment" about new players.
In those interviews with Adi in the Telegraph he observed that one of the reasons for our success was based on the strength of our midfield.
Our new coaching staff need to improve the players we have bought like we did in previous seasons. The potential is definitely there.
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Sep 8, 2024
  • #40
If Paxman is worried we all should be
 
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Hobo

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  • Sep 8, 2024
  • #41
blunted said:
Must have missed that. Do you have a link? I thought the club has put the shutters up and no one has mentioned what went on at all.
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Cov Telegraph and CWR interviews. Not stated bluntly but pretty clear.
 

curly_tom

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  • Sep 8, 2024
  • #42
Has your account been hacked @Paxman II ? You’re usually the mot positive on here and I often agree with your comments. Surprised to see a wave of negative anxiety from you after just 4 league games. We’ll be fine.
 
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Sbarcher

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  • Sep 9, 2024
  • #43
Hobo said:
For all we know Viveash might have put himself in an untenable situation?
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I have heard that when Adi was introduced to the new Director he told her that no-one was going to tell him what to do. That sealed it.
 

alexccfc99

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  • Sep 9, 2024
  • #44
blunted said:
Again, I must have missed Robins saying how much happier he was with the new set up. Please could someone please provide a link. Certainly, all I noticed was "It is not my remit" when asked about a Tavares loan to Reading and "No comment" about new players.
In those interviews with Adi in the Telegraph he observed that one of the reasons for our success was based on the strength of our midfield.
Our new coaching staff need to improve the players we have bought like we did in previous seasons. The potential is definitely there.
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Would MR rather have total control of a circus of a football cub or less control over a much better ran football club? No brainer really
 
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Paxman II

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  • Sep 9, 2024
  • #45
Don't tell me that 'circus' of a football club was just a penalty miss from the premier league having come up through the leagues under MR's and A.Vivash's stewardship. Sisu got it right in the final few seasons so now we see what effect King will have.
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 9, 2024
  • #46
Well that's an interesting question isn't it, I'd have thought the former myself!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 9, 2024
  • #47
Paxman II said:
SISU got it right in the final few seasons
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Jesus wept
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 9, 2024
  • #48
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Jesus wept
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Well however it happened, it did and I'd say it was down to the previous 3-4 seasons growth and momentum, coupled with a slightly lower threshold to achieve it, throw it in the bin,hmm brave or mental?
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 9, 2024
  • #49
Paxman II said:
Don't tell me that 'circus' of a football club was just a penalty miss from the premier league having come up through the leagues under MR's and A.Vivash's stewardship. Sisu got it right in the final few seasons so now we see what effect King will have.
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Without King we’d have had to sell Gyokeres in the January of the final season -we were going bust
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 9, 2024
  • #50
wingy said:
Well however it happened, it did and I'd say it was down to the previous 3-4 seasons growth and momentum, coupled with a slightly lower threshold to achieve it, throw it in the bin,hmm brave or mental?
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I think the collapse of Wasps is what we have a lot more to be thankful for in terms of the last few years. We were completely skint.
 
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mmttww

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  • Sep 9, 2024
  • #51
skybluecam said:
I think we need to forget about 22/23. It was lightning in a bottle....
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Really good post with a lot of points people need to get their heads around and be patient.
 

mmttww

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  • Sep 9, 2024
  • #52
Ocelot said:
But now we can bring Asante on after 60 mins then take him off for Bassette at 80. Depth
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Is Greggs and Boosh one person and I missed the memo? It's too much internet.
 
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blunted

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  • Sep 9, 2024
  • #53
Hobo said:
Cov Telegraph and CWR interviews. Not stated bluntly but pretty clear.
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Yes but does anyone have a link, as I am struggling to find even an obvious observation? MR is not going to say the set up is shit.
 

Paxman II

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  • Sep 10, 2024
  • #54
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think the collapse of Wasps is what we have a lot more to be thankful for in terms of the last few years. We were completely skint.
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I'm not sure how the callapse of WASP helped us in the last few years? We had to play in Birmingham. We were locked out of 'our' stadium. The pitch when we returned had to be renewed by us. The only positive was the stadium was sold off again but King didn't get it. The stupid council accepted Ashley's lower bid and he got a steal. In spite of the council undermining its football club for years vindictively, we have risen again and will in my view own the stadium built for us, as I can't see the long term asset for Ashley tbh. He will cash in to King once we ht the premier league...at a much higher price than he paid!
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 10, 2024
  • #55
Paxman II said:
I'm not sure how the callapse of WASP helped us in the last few years? We had to play in Birmingham. We were locked out of 'our' stadium. The pitch when we returned had to be renewed by us. The only positive was the stadium was sold off again but King didn't get it. The stupid council accepted Ashley's lower bid and he got a steal. In spite of the council undermining its football club for years vindictively, we have risen again will in my view own the stadium again, as I can't see the long term asset for Ashley tbh. He will cash in to King once we ht the premier league...at a much higher price than he paid!
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The last thing we want is to own the stadium
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 10, 2024
  • #56
Grendel said:
The last thing we want is to own the stadium
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Much more likely to receive a higher rent Bill in the prem?
 
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skyblue_55

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  • Sep 10, 2024
  • #57
Another experienced freebie , moved to a championship side in Victor Moses … 33 but knows the game …… Luton are searching properly !
 
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Paxman II

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  • Sep 10, 2024
  • #58
If you believe that Grendel please explain your thinking behind it?
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 10, 2024
  • #59
Paxman II said:
If you believe that Grendel please explain your thinking behind it?
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It’s a loss making disaster that bought down ACL and Wasps. We need a lease of 99 years with full rights of the pitch and nothing else
 

Paxman II

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  • Sep 10, 2024
  • #60
Sorry Grendel but you have changed your intial response to basically agreeing with me. A 99 year lease is tentamount to freehold and we would therefore 'own' the stadium in the same way Ashley does. I would doubt very much the lease Ashley has can be sub let on such terms. It would likely be his origional lease of some 200+ years being assigned to CCFC.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 10, 2024
  • #61
Paxman II said:
Sorry Grendel but you have changed your intial response to basically agreeing with me. A 99 year lease is tentamount to freehold and we would therefore 'own' the stadium in the same way Ashley does. I would doubt very much the lease Ashley has can be sub let on such terms. It would likely be his arriginal lease of some 200+ years being assigned to CCFC.
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No it isn’t - I said the playing surface - not any of the other nonsense that we’d be responsible for - so change our current licence to a proper lease for the one purpose
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 10, 2024
  • #62
Paxman II said:
I'm not sure how the callapse of WASP helped us in the last few years? We had to play in Birmingham. We were locked out of 'our' stadium. The pitch when we returned had to be renewed by us. The only positive was the stadium was sold off again but King didn't get it. The stupid council accepted Ashley's lower bid and he got a steal. In spite of the council undermining its football club for years vindictively, we have risen again and will in my view own the stadium built for us, as I can't see the long term asset for Ashley tbh. He will cash in to King once we ht the premier league...at a much higher price than he paid!
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The collapse of Wasps elicited King’s interest in acquiring the stadium and club as a package. No Wasps breakdown, no new interest in taking on the club, SISU remain but with no money at all to contribute. Gyokeres and possibly Hamer are sold for a pittance in January and the club is relegated.
 

Paxman II

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  • Sep 10, 2024
  • #63
Grendel said:
No it isn’t - I said the playing surface - not any of the other nonsense that we’d be responsible for - so change our current licence to a proper lease for the one purpose
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You can't pick and choose what bits you want Grendel! Fantasy world you live in. I have enough business dealings behind me to know what's possible and what isn't.
 

JohnWH

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  • Sep 10, 2024
  • #64
Paxman II said:
You can't pick and choose what bits you want Grendel! Fantasy world you live in. I have enough business dealings behind me to know what's possible and what isn't.
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But is it possible to pay rent on my apartment for ONLY the time I am actually present within inside? Like. Why should I be paying rent when I'm out shopping or out of town? NOPM
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Sep 10, 2024
  • #65
Paxman II said:
Don't tell me that 'circus' of a football club was just a penalty miss from the premier league having come up through the leagues under MR's and A.Vivash's stewardship. Sisu got it right in the final few seasons so now we see what effect King will have.
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We're one more expensive kids ticket away from people wanting SISU back.
 
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Grendel

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  • Sep 11, 2024
  • #66
Paxman II said:
You can't pick and choose what bits you want Grendel! Fantasy world you live in. I have enough business dealings behind me to know what's possible and what isn't.
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Er of course you can. You take a sub lease from the main leaseholder and an assignment from the freeholder. We currently have a licence and not a lease. I would assume the hotel owner operates on the same basis.

A licence offers zero protection - a long tenancy lease to the main leaseholder does. It’s all ultimately down to negotiation with the leaseholder - it’s far more expensive but if the head leaseholder sells you are then fully protected
 

alexccfc99

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  • Sep 11, 2024
  • #67
Cally Fedora said:
I think it’s the polar opposite. We’re moving in the right direction. Off the field is unrecognisable. On it we have our strongest squad in years. Season ticket sales are at record levels. The fans and team are together in a rare way. It’s all going in the right direction
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Are they?

Even in the years of dross football and playing our football in different Cities I cannot recall such a high amount of incessant whinging from our fans than I have the last couple of weeks

Lets not forget the amount of bile and vitriol that was aimed towards Wright and Simms when they weren't scoring last season and let's not forget the fact we were booed off in our last game

A great fanbase to play for when winning, not when losing
 
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wince

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  • Sep 11, 2024
  • #68
pusbccfc said:
We're one more expensive kids ticket away from people wanting SISU back.
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Sisu haven't left
 
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AOM

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  • Sep 11, 2024
  • #69
wince said:
Sisu haven't left
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Brylowes

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  • Sep 11, 2024
  • #70
alexccfc99 said:
Are they?

Even in the years of dross football and playing our football in different Cities I cannot recall such a high amount of incessant whinging from our fans than I have the last couple of weeks
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But with relevant success ‘comes increased popularity and therefore accountability’ compared to the lean years under SISU we now have about 18,000 extra regular customers, the combined murmurs of disapproval are bound to be louder.
 
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