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  • Start date Jul 29, 2019
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Macca

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  • Jul 29, 2019
  • #1
Can’t help thinking that this kind of thing along with the issues at the school in Birmingham are going to become far more common in the future as one more permissive society and one more dogmatic move further apart

Police probe 'homophobic abuse' at Pride event
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 29, 2019
  • #2
When the world becomes so polarised as it is things like this always grow especially on the right. You look at the majority of those who promoted brexit and look at their other views, climate change deniers, intolerance of other cultures, intolerant of religions other than Christianity, look at America where they’re eradicating women’s freedom to choose so much Trump could call for a ban on women drivers Saudi Arabia style and still get in. Going too far to the right or the left and it just breeds intolerance and an unwillingness to accept that people are different. The LGBT community are always going to be in that firing line. The truth is it’s probably not even because they’re LGBT, as a community they tend to be liberal thinkers and in some people’s eyes that makes them an enemy.
 
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Macca

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  • Jul 29, 2019
  • #3
I was making just the point you’ve touched on there just the other day about the world being “polarised”. It seems that on any given subject you have to nail your colours to the mast and not waiver regardless of evidence in front of your eyes.
 
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OhhEnnEmm

Member
  • Jul 29, 2019
  • #4
If we compare to the past, we could think "Thank goodness we're now at a point in society where pride events are a thing at all!"

Homophobic abuse at a pride event is so much better than every gay person remaining in the closet so they're not lynched or thrown in jail.

Every generation automatically has it in their head "Oh, it's all downhill from here, look how much worse things are getting."

Often though, a little thought into the reality of the past is enough to change such thoughts.
 
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Ricketts

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2019
  • #5
skybluetony176 said:
When the world becomes so polarised as it is things like this always grow especially on the right. You look at the majority of those who promoted brexit and look at their other views, climate change deniers, intolerance of other cultures, intolerant of religions other than Christianity, look at America where they’re eradicating women’s freedom to choose so much Trump could call for a ban on women drivers Saudi Arabia style and still get in. Going too far to the right or the left and it just breeds intolerance and an unwillingness to accept that people are different. The LGBT community are always going to be in that firing line. The truth is it’s probably not even because they’re LGBT, as a community they tend to be liberal thinkers and in some people’s eyes that makes them an enemy.
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Made me smile that you put 'especially on the right'

I assume from this that you are a socialist, that classes yourself as pretty much central.

Read into that what you wish, but look in the mirror.

The 'hard right' and 'hard left' are as bad as each other. I have disdain for both.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jul 30, 2019
  • #6
Macca said:
Can’t help thinking that this kind of thing along with the issues at the school in Birmingham are going to become far more common in the future as one more permissive society and one more dogmatic move further apart

Police probe 'homophobic abuse' at Pride event
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You make it sound as though the LGBT community has enjoyed decades of acceptance by society.

How many men do you see walking down the street holding hands?

Sadly there’s homophobia across society still and people who are ‘uncomfortable’ with it, which I cannot understand, personally.
 

fellatio_Martinez

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  • Jul 31, 2019
  • #7
Sick Boy said:
Sadly there’s homophobia across society still and people who are ‘uncomfortable’ with it, which I cannot understand, personally.
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In films nearly every homophobe turns out to be a raging homosexual that's so far in the closet that the mere mention of gayness sends them into a rage.

I tend to think it's the same in the real world too.
 
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The Lurker

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  • Jul 31, 2019
  • #8
Sick Boy said:
You make it sound as though the LGBT community has enjoyed decades of acceptance by society.

How many men do you see walking down the street holding hands?

Sadly there’s homophobia across society still and people who are ‘uncomfortable’ with it, which I cannot understand, personally.
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difference is - groups like hope not hate would be on this if a white skinhead has shouted abuse. Because it’s a Muslim woman they haven’t said anything. nowadays issues like this only suit people when it’s within their agenda. I don’t see the public outcry here as seen with the 2 poor females on the bus
 
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Mcbean

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  • Jul 31, 2019
  • #9
It’s not possible to nail your colours to the mast anymore as someone somewhere will be offended on someone’s else’s behalf - free speech is no longer possible
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 31, 2019
  • #10
Mcbean said:
It’s not possible to nail your colours to the mast anymore as someone somewhere will be offended on someone’s else’s behalf - free speech is no longer possible
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Yes it is.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 31, 2019
  • #11
The Lurker said:
difference is - groups like hope not hate would be on this if a white skinhead has shouted abuse. Because it’s a Muslim woman they haven’t said anything. nowadays issues like this only suit people when it’s within their agenda. I don’t see the public outcry here as seen with the 2 poor females on the bus
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I agree that it’s inconsistent and any sort of homophobia should be condemned.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 31, 2019
  • #12
Sick Boy said:
I agree that it’s inconsistent and any sort of homophobia should be condemned.
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Any kind of bigotry should be condemned, full-stop. The issue is when people use it as a totalising political tool to demonise a particular group...
 
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Mcbean

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  • Jul 31, 2019
  • #13
Sick Boy said:
Yes it is.
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No its not
 

Otis

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  • Jul 31, 2019
  • #14
My concern is with these parents then poisoning their own children's minds with this rubbish and then I worry about the segregation that comes with faith schools and would guess someone like this bigoted woman would be very much of the notion to send her kids to such a school.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 31, 2019
  • #15
Ricketts said:
Made me smile that you put 'especially on the right'

I assume from this that you are a socialist, that classes yourself as pretty much central.

Read into that what you wish, but look in the mirror.

The 'hard right' and 'hard left' are as bad as each other. I have disdain for both.
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Name three foiled far left terrorist plots in the UK in the last five years.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 31, 2019
  • #16
The Lurker said:
difference is - groups like hope not hate would be on this if a white skinhead has shouted abuse. Because it’s a Muslim woman they haven’t said anything. nowadays issues like this only suit people when it’s within their agenda. I don’t see the public outcry here as seen with the 2 poor females on the bus
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Strongly disagree considering the large battle against the Birmingham bigots who harassed a primary school
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jul 31, 2019
  • #17
There's a story up on the CT site today about flat pack homes and there's a picture of the occupiers of the first one. Have a look on the Telegraph facebook page, the number of comments that are just openly racist is shocking. I certainly didn't think racism was a thing of the past but is it as prevalent in the city as the comments on that post would imply?

https://www.facebook.com/
 
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Ian1779

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #18
Macca said:
Can’t help thinking that this kind of thing along with the issues at the school in Birmingham are going to become far more common in the future as one more permissive society and one more dogmatic move further apart

Police probe 'homophobic abuse' at Pride event
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The one good thing is that the kids themselves are generally far more tolerant. I work in a school that has about 20% Muslim population, and we have kids of different sexualities and also boys and girls that identify as being of the opposite sex. Apart from a tiny minority of 1 or 2 kids... the rest are happy to let people be who they want. Sure they ask questions because they done have exposure to that kind of world at home, but they listen and respect each other for their differences.

It’s the older generation in the main where the intolerance lies. The future looks far brighter.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #19
Ian1779 said:
The one good thing is that the kids themselves are generally far more tolerant. I work in a school that has about 20% Muslim population, and we have kids of different sexualities and also boys and girls that identify as being of the opposite sex. Apart from a tiny minority of 1 or 2 kids... the rest are happy to let people be who they want. Sure they ask questions because they done have exposure to that kind of world at home, but they listen and respect each other for their differences.

It’s the older generation in the main where the intolerance lies. The future looks far brighter.
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I think on the whole I'd agree with you - we are steadily becoming more tolerant as generations go by.

But people do, for some reason, seem to think differently as they age. A number of pensioners were hippies/children of the 60's which was about tolerance and love. There was an increased tolerance of different races, cultures and sexuality. So why are so many of this age now increasingly intolerant? Is it that the tolerant ones have died earlier than the 'conservative' ones due to drugs and lifestyle, leaving the less tolerant behind? I'd probably expect them to struggle a bit with gender issues as they're pretty new. I seem to notice they're also more likely to have a racist attitude towards middle eastern/Asians than West Indian because they're the ones they were familiar with when they were younger, but also no doubt fueled by coverage of terrorism.

I also find it worrying how many of the high profile cases of intolerance involve people in their 20's and 30's - these are people who've grown up in a much more diverse and multicultural environment. Blaming of foreigners etc for all societies ills when far more are caused by the greed of white upper class elites. Maybe the older generations are quieter about their prejudices and are also able to remove themselves from it by having the choice to live elsewhere where the issue is less likely to present itself?
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #20
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I think on the whole I'd agree with you - we are steadily becoming more tolerant as generations go by.

But people do, for some reason, seem to think differently as they age. A number of pensioners were hippies/children of the 60's which was about tolerance and love. There was an increased tolerance of different races, cultures and sexuality. So why are so many of this age now increasingly intolerant? Is it that the tolerant ones have died earlier than the 'conservative' ones due to drugs and lifestyle, leaving the less tolerant behind? I'd probably expect them to struggle a bit with gender issues as they're pretty new. I seem to notice they're also more likely to have a racist attitude towards middle eastern/Asians than West Indian because they're the ones they were familiar with when they were younger, but also no doubt fueled by coverage of terrorism.

I also find it worrying how many of the high profile cases of intolerance involve people in their 20's and 30's - these are people who've grown up in a much more diverse and multicultural environment. Blaming of foreigners etc for all societies ills when far more are caused by the greed of white upper class elites. Maybe the older generations are quieter about their prejudices and are also able to remove themselves from it by having the choice to live elsewhere where the issue is less likely to present itself?
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Less people were hippies than you think. Most would’ve been quite grumpy at the hippies at the time and have carried that on now.
 

torchomatic

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #21
fellatio_Martinez said:
In films nearly every homophobe turns out to be a raging homosexual that's so far in the closet that the mere mention of gayness sends them into a rage.

I tend to think it's the same in the real world too.
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I bet my left nut some of those protesting outside the school are gay too.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Aug 1, 2019
  • #22
chiefdave said:
There's a story up on the CT site today about flat pack homes and there's a picture of the occupiers of the first one. Have a look on the Telegraph facebook page, the number of comments that are just openly racist is shocking. I certainly didn't think racism was a thing of the past but is it as prevalent in the city as the comments on that post would imply?

https://www.facebook.com/
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It was always there. Brexit has set it free and many people now think they have a right to be openly hostile to anyone who they regard as an outsider.
 
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Macca

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  • Aug 2, 2019
  • #23
Sick Boy said:
You make it sound as though the LGBT community has enjoyed decades of acceptance by society.

How many men do you see walking down the street holding hands?

Sadly there’s homophobia across society still and people who are ‘uncomfortable’ with it, which I cannot understand, personally.
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Not my intention. Just interested how the future pans out in places like London with such diverse views
 

Otis

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  • Aug 2, 2019
  • #24
torchomatic said:
It was always there. Brexit has set it free and many people now think they have a right to be openly hostile to anyone who they regard as an outsider.
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And 'outsiders' covers a very broad spectrum for some.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Aug 3, 2019
  • #25
Macca said:
Not my intention. Just interested how the future pans out in places like London with such diverse views
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It’s more tolerant than most other parts of the country and unlikely to change in the future.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 3, 2019
  • #26
Otis said:
And 'outsiders' covers a very broad spectrum for some.
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Yeah even at Crewe away a couple of seasons ago there were some idiots next to us shouting anti-Irish crap on St Patrick’s Day. I managed to teach to main culprit a lesson when we scored though
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 7, 2019
  • #27
shmmeee said:
Name three foiled far left terrorist plots in the UK in the last five years.
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Corbyn, McDonnell and momentum
 

Otis

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  • Aug 7, 2019
  • #28
Sky Blue Pete said:
Corbyn, McDonnell and momentum
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That sounds like a bunch of solicitors I would like to avoid.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Aug 7, 2019
  • #29
shmmeee said:
Less people were hippies than you think. Most would’ve been quite grumpy at the hippies at the time and have carried that on now.
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This checks out. My in-laws were hippies and are very tolerant now. the rest of their family weren't and are a lot more prejudiced.
 
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