City of Culture Bid (1 Viewer)

Irish Sky Blue · Oct 17, 2017

I was talking to my son as we walked across Tesco car park after the game tonight. Hard to be made even gloomier after that result and performance but what he told me made me more depressed and also annoyed. He told me that the presentation put forward by the body promoting Coventry as The City of Culture made mention of Wasps but not CCFC, CRFC, Bees or Blaze. Seemingly the only sporting club worthy of talking about in the Bid are a franchise club from London who 3 years ago had no association with Coventry. Two one hundred plus year old Coventry born and bred clubs with a history of sporting excellence are not worth a mention.
Now this might be completely wrong and if so I apologise for a thread that is wasting everyone's time. Perhaps someone who is in the know could confirm or deny what my son has been lead to believe. If it is true, it would be interesting to hear the views of those responsible as to how they could ignore the club that brought this City its single most glorious sporting and cultural moment while lauding a club that should not be here.

Nick · Oct 17, 2017

Wasps are sponsoring it aren't they?

Greggs · Oct 17, 2017

City of Culture......walk around town any day of the week and you are surrounded by homeless people and buskers, is that what our culture consists of?

Greggs · Oct 17, 2017

Nick said:
Wasps are sponsoring it aren't they?

Heard that on the radio too, made me spit on me steering wheel!

Ian1779 · Oct 17, 2017

I hope the city doesn't win - it doesn't deserve to. It's fucked it's own history and tradition right in the shitter.

ccfctommy · Oct 17, 2017

Ian1779 said:
I hope the city doesn't win - it doesn't deserve to. It's fucked it's own history and tradition right in the shitter.

Jeez...

Irish Sky Blue · Oct 18, 2017

I was listening to someone from Hull on the radio recently. They have done really well out of their City of Culture status, millions of pounds pumped into the local economy. I hope Coventry is successful as it would be a force for good in the City. I just can't understand, if it is true, a bid which would exclude mention of great sporting tradition in CCFC and CRFC.

Otis · Oct 18, 2017

I am really hoping we win it too. Don't like the Wasps aspect of it at all, but this is our city and surely we should all want our city to be and do better and also to receive some kind of boost to its economy.

Fingers crossed.

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 18, 2017

Otis said:
I am really hoping we win it too. Don't like the Wasps aspect of it at all, but this is our city and surely we should all want our city to be and do better and also to receive some kind of boost to its economy.

Fingers crossed.

It's not just the other sporting clubs it doesn't focus on however.

Hopefully things change, but they're missing out a fair amount of the culture that's already there, and that desperately needs an economic boost!

Otis · Oct 18, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's not just the other sporting clubs it doesn't focus on however.

Hopefully things change, but they're missing out a fair amount of the culture that's already there, and that desperately needs an economic boost!

I don't disagree with that.

Coventry certainly needs a boost though and I welcome anything like this. Just a shame Wasps are involved.

covcity4life · Oct 18, 2017

our council do not deserve it

Terry Gibson's perm · Oct 18, 2017

They have no chance they are up against stoke on Trent it's like battle of the dumps

SonofErnie · Oct 18, 2017

I'm afraid it's nailed on for Stoke to win it. Unfortunately the pervading mood of Coventry residents that 'nothing good ever happens to Cov' will continue.
Until Coventry people have faith in their own City and want to promote it rather than run it down, then why should outsiders have faith in it and be willing to invest in it? The same goes for CCFC.

clint van damme · Oct 18, 2017

covcity4life said:
our council do not deserve it

I agree, I would still like it to be successful though for the good of the City.
If City ever get back to the Premiership the same arseholes who are trying to airbrush us from the Citys history will be falling over themselves to give us a civic reception and glad hand the players.

SonofErnie · Oct 18, 2017

Terry Gibson's perm said:
They have no chance they are up against stoke on Trent it's like battle of the dumps

My point perfectly illustrated!

Hobo · Oct 18, 2017

Coventry has plenty of history and culture despite the cynical knockers.

It also has a proud sporting cultural history which CCFC, CRFC, Bees and many other sports clubs have been a part of for years. If they haven't been mentioned and Wasps have it is an absolute joke.

ccfcway · Oct 18, 2017

Join the 2021 Club - UK City of Culture 2021 Bid, Coventry

The rugby club have a supporting video on there

and its the Ricoh who are the sponsor

Woz01 · Oct 18, 2017

Wasps are sponsoring it but CCFC, Blaze and Coventry Rugby are all supporting the bid and therefore part of the bid.

Otis · Oct 18, 2017

SonofErnie said:
I'm afraid it's nailed on for Stoke to win it. Unfortunately the pervading mood of Coventry residents that 'nothing good ever happens to Cov' will continue.
Until Coventry people have faith in their own City and want to promote it rather than run it down, then why should outsiders have faith in it and be willing to invest in it? The same goes for CCFC.

Why is it nailed on for Stoke?

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 18, 2017

Otis said:
I don't disagree with that.

Coventry certainly needs a boost though

It does, but (and I'm not talking the sporting clubs of the city here!) the way established elements of the city are being hung out to dry is rather... awful IMNSHO.

If they're not careful, there'll be some big-ish parts of the cultural hub of the city that decline and fall, even if they win the city of culture bid.

oucho · Oct 18, 2017

Irish Sky Blue said:
a club that should not be here.

They are here, and they have every legal right to be. You don't have to be happy about that, but that's reality nonetheless. Your post implies that we all ought to agree with you - obviously what's happened is far from being to CCFC's advantage, but let's face it, the real responsibility for what has happened lies principally with CCFC owners past and present.

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 18, 2017

oucho said:
They are here, and they have every legal right to be. You don't have to be happy about that, but that's reality nonetheless. Your post implies that we all ought to agree with you - obviously what's happened is far from being to CCFC's advantage, but let's face it, the real responsibility for what has happened lies principally with CCFC owners past and present.

Them being here is not very Coventry Cultural. It doesn't exactly signify that great tradition and heritage of our city...

In the context of the City of Culture bid, whose 'fault' it is (and we can debate that to death... again) is irrelevant really, as is the legality.

NortonSkyBlue · Oct 18, 2017

I saw the video the other week and actually was impressed with the multi cultural content, the people on it spoke of what Coventry has given them from refugees to a Chinese jaguar Land Rover designer but the Coventry City omission was not on my radar.
I will tell you why! It's a sales video to award the city the city of culture and I fully understand why a failing fourth division side isn't sexy and a premiership winning rugby club is.
Blinkers off, this is here and now not 1987 or the 34 years.

oucho · Oct 18, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
Them being here is not very Coventry Cultural. It doesn't exactly signify that great tradition and heritage of our city...

In the context of the City of Culture bid, whose 'fault' it is (and we can debate that to death... again) is irrelevant really, as is the legality.

Well NW, the fact is they are a Coventry club now and represent an aspect of the future of culture/sport in Coventry.

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 18, 2017

oucho said:
Well NW, the fact is they are a Coventry club now and represent an aspect of the future of culture/sport in Coventry.

So if we rip up the past we're as bad as the Taliban destroying monuments in Syria.
It's what Coventry does time and time again in its recent history, it never takes pride in what it has because it's had it for time, it tries to move ointo the next shiny, bright, transient thing.

And as such it loses an identity.

skyblueinBaku · Oct 18, 2017

oucho said:
Well NW, the fact is they are a Coventry club now and represent an aspect of the future of culture/sport in Coventry.

Given their predilection for moving around, it remains to be seen whether or not they are still a 'Coventry' club when the City of Culture prize is awarded.

fernandopartridge · Oct 18, 2017

riyadhskyblue said:
I saw the video the other week and actually was impressed with the multi cultural content, the people on it spoke of what Coventry has given them from refugees to a Chinese jaguar Land Rover designer but the Coventry City omission was not on my radar.
I will tell you why! It's a sales video to award the city the city of culture and I fully understand why a failing fourth division side isn't sexy and a premiership winning rugby club is.
Blinkers off, this is here and now not 1987 or the 34 years.

Premiership rugby club which does not feature in the cultural psyche of Coventry

Grendel · Oct 18, 2017

Nick said:
Wasps are sponsoring it aren't they?

Indeed they are right behind the bid

Wasps backing Coventry's City of Culture bid

fernandopartridge · Oct 18, 2017

oucho said:
Well NW, the fact is they are a Coventry club now and represent an aspect of the future of culture/sport in Coventry.

No they don't. They are a franchise and represent an aspect of Coventry as much as a branch of Tesco represents Coventry retailers. They have no real connection with Coventry and the only thing they're really interested in his PR to grow their income.

It'd be good to see Coventry City Council do an impact analysis of Wasps to demonstrate all the jobs and economic growth they were going to bring, it must have materialised by now. I do hope none of them are those horrible zero hours contracts that Labour are (rightly) against.

Ashdown · Oct 18, 2017

SonofErnie said:
I'm afraid it's nailed on for Stoke to win it. Unfortunately the pervading mood of Coventry residents that 'nothing good ever happens to Cov' will continue.
Until Coventry people have faith in their own City and want to promote it rather than run it down, then why should outsiders have faith in it and be willing to invest in it? The same goes for CCFC.

Absolutely. most of the miserable gits spend their whole lives running the place down and the other half are foreign born and have no real affinity with the place. I enjoy a trip to Cov, always have, love some of the old buildings and the history, enjoy the theatre and some of the characterful little pubs. My relatives were all from Cov and almost all of them ran it down too.

fernandopartridge · Oct 18, 2017

Ashdown said:
Absolutely. most of the miserable gits spend their whole lives running the place down and the other half are foreign born and have no real affinity with the place. I enjoy a trip to Cov, always have, love some of the old buildings and the history, enjoy the theatre and some of the characterful little pubs. My relatives were all from Cov and almost all of them ran it down too.

Yes, was saying the same to my mate the other week (he's one of the positive people about Cov). In the 10 years since I've moved away it has improved, but the people in Coventry have the same apathetic attitude to their city as they do to the football team.

Ashdown · Oct 18, 2017

fernandopartridge said:
Yes, was saying the same to my mate the other week (he's one of the positive people about Cov). In the 10 years since I've moved away it has improved, but the people in Coventry have the same apathetic attitude to their city as they do to the football team.

I've took sceptics from over my way on beery tours of the City, doing a decent pub alternated by a bit of history and they've all loved it by the end of it and the likes of the motor museum, cathedral, Herbert art gallery and Guildhall all come for no charge too.

Sky Blue Dal · Oct 18, 2017

covcity4life said:
our council do not deserve it

Surely the people of Coventry do with the criticism we have been taking from people of other cities around the country. Might be great for the city.

Sky Blue Dal · Oct 18, 2017

Greggs said:
City of Culture......walk around town any day of the week and you are surrounded by homeless people and buskers, is that what our culture consists of?

Many cities have this problem. Even the best one's. Talking about homeless, I work in Cambridge and they have a fair share of homeless people more than Coventry and its still a great city to live in though expensive like London.

chiefdave · Oct 18, 2017

riyadhskyblue said:
I fully understand why a failing fourth division side isn't sexy and a premiership winning rugby club is.

I don't buy that argument. If you went to any other city in the country and asked random people in the street to name a sports team they associate with Coventry the answer would overwhelmingly be Coventry City.

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