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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #106
David O'Day said:
You can't so sorry Chelsea you've gotten fat on the stolen wealth of the Russian people so you made your bed on this.
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I think so. The answer will be to sell quickly and abromovic not to get the money
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #107
I probably shouldn't be surprised people care this much about Chelsea as they're modern high profile and in London. If only the same coverage was given to Bury ...
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #108
Sky Blue Pete said:
How do you sanction him without it affecting the club
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I don't care if 5hey sanction him, what I'm saying is either Sanction them all and end their involvement in this countrys institutions or don't bother.
Same with banging on about Newcastle, the PM is off to meet the Saudis in a few days, ifour PM is doing that why should a football club be any different?
 
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rob9872

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  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #109
clint van damme said:
I don't care if 5hey sanction him, what I'm saying is either Sanction them all and end their involvement in this countrys institutions or don't bother.
Same with banging on about Newcastle, the PM is off to meet the Saudis in a few days, ifour PM is doing that why should a football club be any different?
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Whist I do agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right here.

If someone had been murdered it wouldn't be ok for some else to steal the dead man's wallet however small their crime in relation to the first.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #110
clint van damme said:
I don't care if 5hey sanction him, what I'm saying is either Sanction them all and end their involvement in this countrys institutions or don't bother.
Same with banging on about Newcastle, the PM is off to meet the Saudis in a few days, ifour PM is doing that why should a football club be any different?
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I suppose the basic answer is the global sanction response to Russia

what I find slightly odd is the general acceptance that a government can freeze a persons assets as they don’t like them very much. The much droned on about delay was clearly as the government were working out ways to ensure no legal challenge was forthcoming

I doubt we’d have been feeezing any assets of Americans here if the us decided to roll back the years and Napalm Vietnam
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #111
Grendel said:
I suppose the basic answer is the global sanction response to Russia

what I find slightly odd is the general acceptance that a government can freeze a persons assets as they don’t like them very much. The much droned on about delay was clearly as the government were working out ways to ensure no legal challenge was forthcoming

I doubt we’d have been feeezing any assets of Americans here if the us decided to roll back the years and Napalm Vietnam
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Classic whataboutery
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #112
Sky Blue Pete said:
Classic whataboutery
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The general point about whether a government can arbitrarily freeze someone's assets is fair, however. tbh I don't know where I stand on that - on the one hand it's he path towards a controlling dictatorial government that we claim to be opposing, and along the lines of banning protest etc. On the other hand, when times are special, does government *have* to act of its own accord?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #113
Sky Blue Pete said:
Classic whataboutery
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Hardly its a pretty direct observation - I think you confuse whataboutery with hypocrisy
 

oakey

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  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #114
Deleted member 5849 said:
The general point about whether a government can arbitrarily freeze someone's assets is fair, however. tbh I don't know where I stand on that - on the one hand it's he path towards a controlling dictatorial government that we claim to be opposing, and along the lines of banning protest etc. On the other hand, when times are special, does government *have* to act of its own accord?
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You're right. Governments should have limited powers to affect private assets. But, in times of war governments give themselves special powers.
I would argue that we should be "at war" with Putin and his gangsters. I would rather freeze or confiscate assets than send bombs and bullets or send young men to die.
I would go much further, suspending or expelling all with clear links to Putin, as we would do in wartime.
We cannot stand idly by whilst gangsters infiltrate our institutions after looting Russia's wealth, then attack a sovereign nation.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #115
rob9872 said:
Whist I do agree with you, two wrongs don't make a right here.

If someone had been murdered it wouldn't be ok for some else to steal the dead man's wallet however small their crime in relation to the first.
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I'd rather the government, whoever they are, made well thought out decisions based on sound logic rather than knee jerk ones based on getting a thumbs up from the public.
For me, that would have meant nipping this all in the bud a long time ago but it is what it is.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #116
Grendel said:
I suppose the basic answer is the global sanction response to Russia

what I find slightly odd is the general acceptance that a government can freeze a persons assets as they don’t like them very much. The much droned on about delay was clearly as the government were working out ways to ensure no legal challenge was forthcoming

I doubt we’d have been feeezing any assets of Americans here if the us decided to roll back the years and Napalm Vietnam
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Indeed. Similarly I doubt the Americans would have responded so tepidly had Jamal Kashoggi been chopped up by Iranians but that's the world of geopolitics I suppose.
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #117
Deleted member 5849 said:
The general point about whether a government can arbitrarily freeze someone's assets is fair, however. tbh I don't know where I stand on that - on the one hand it's he path towards a controlling dictatorial government that we claim to be opposing, and along the lines of banning protest etc. On the other hand, when times are special, does government *have* to act of its own accord?
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It’s not the government acting unilaterally - our power to sanction countries or freeze assets is based in both British law and UN resolutions which we’re obliged to follow.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #118
clint van damme said:
I don't care if 5hey sanction him, what I'm saying is either Sanction them all and end their involvement in this countrys institutions or don't bother.
Same with banging on about Newcastle, the PM is off to meet the Saudis in a few days, ifour PM is doing that why should a football club be any different?
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Newcastle should be sanctioned because of their horrible despotic murderous owners
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #119
Grendel said:
its just an easy can to kick down the road
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It's a nice distraction from the fact that politicians, Tories especially but New Labour ones too, are up to their neck in it with courting these oligarchs
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #120
Grendel said:
Hardly its a pretty direct observation - I think you confuse whataboutery with hypocrisy
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Nah this is whataboutery

doubt we’d have been feeezing any assets of Americans here if the us decided to roll back the years and Napalm Vietnam
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #121
Sky Blue Pete said:
Nah this is whataboutery

doubt we’d have been feeezing any assets of Americans here if the us decided to roll back the years and Napalm Vietnam
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no that’s a fact as is the west continuing to pile money into Russia when it needs trade but can play “look we seem tough” - which they also wouldn’t be if 40,000 uk jobs were at stake
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 16, 2022
  • #122
It’s nonsense anyway as whatever he’s directly done himself this is a country where Shiniwatra owned a club and was described by the Boddy equivalent at the club “as a good guy to play golf with”
 

SkyBlueSoul

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 17, 2022
  • #123
Ridiculously, in the last fortnight the BBC have received the most complaints about "Bias against Roman Abramovich and/or Chelsea FC"

Taken from here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/sites/default/files/2022-03/28 February - 13 March 2022.pdf


 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 17, 2022
  • #124
SkyBlueSoul said:
Ridiculously, in the last fortnight the BBC have received the most complaints about "Bias against Roman Abramovich and/or Chelsea FC"

Taken from here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/sites/default/files/2022-03/28 February - 13 March 2022.pdf


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Chelski fans innit
 

no_loyalty

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 21, 2022
  • #125
The government allowing Chelsea their full ticket allocation for the cup semi, after talks with the FA.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 21, 2022
  • #126
Wow, the government really has it in for Chelsea, what a disgrace etc etc
 
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no_loyalty

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 21, 2022
  • #127
SBT said:
Wow, the government really has it in for Chelsea, what a disgrace etc etc
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Yes they should ban them from all competitions lol.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 22, 2022
  • #128
"Chelsea is more than just its owner, it's a living organism with huge importance to its fans and community," Knight said.

"It was understandable that, at short notice, last week's game against Middlesbrough went ahead without Chelsea fans.

"But with this much notice, the FA have no excuse for excluding them. The FA must be allowed to sell tickets to Chelsea fans”
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Thought this quote was from a Chelsea supporters group at first glance - it’s actually from the head of the parliamentary DCMS committee.

Remember when people (including on this thread) were talking about the government forcing Chelsea into liquidation?
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 23, 2022
  • #129

Chelsea: Club allowed to sell tickets after government alters licence

Chelsea are allowed to sell tickets to some games again after the UK government altered the club's licence.
www.bbc.co.uk

Wow, the hits keep coming - how will Chelsea even struggle on under these arduous government sanctions?
 
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