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Otis

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  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #456
David O'Day said:
Said that before and the court of appeals quickly said no.

The new evidence could simply be a technicality that the court of appeal will decide played no part in influencing the decision.

There are a lot of people who want a convicted rapist who admitted he slept with a girl without consent to be set free,
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Is there? You sure about that? Where are all these people who want a convicted rapist set free?

The appeals board only grant 3.5% of all appeal requests, so if any are granted it surely must be because of significant evidence. Evans' team seem convinced he will have his conviction quashed.

Am assuming this new evidence must be something significant. Can't believe for a second that it is just a technicality. That sounds rather lame.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #457
Samo said:
If only we all lived in your 'simple' world! Things are either black or white right?
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Black or white? No you doofus Ched Evans admitted he slept with a girl without consent and that is rape under English and Welsh law.

Not balck or white just rape.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #458
Samo said:
If only we all lived in your 'simple' world! Things are either black or white right?
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If you sleep with a girl who is incapable for what ever reason of giving consent that's rape. There is no grey area there.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #459
David O'Day said:
Black or white? No you doofus Ched Evans admitted he slept with a girl without consent and that is rape under English and Welsh law.

Not balck or white just rape.
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So, no appeal then.

Move along, nothing to see here.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #460
Otis said:
Is there? You sure about that? Where are all these people who want a convicted rapist set free?

The appeals board only grant 3.5% of all appeal requests, so if any are granted it surely must be because of significant evidence. Evans' team seem convinced he will have his conviction quashed.

Am assuming this new evidence must be something significant. Can't believe for a second that it is just a technicality. That sounds rather lame.
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The actual figure for the year is 9 granted 10 rejected for criminal case appeals.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #461
David O'Day said:
Black or white? No you doofus Ched Evans admitted he slept with a girl without consent and that is rape under English and Welsh law.

Not balck or white just rape.
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Wooosh! An appeal has been granted doofus.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #462
Otis said:
So, no appeal then.

Move along, nothing to see here.
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Who is denying a second appeal is taking place?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #463
David O'Day said:
Said that before and the court of appeals quickly said no.

The new evidence could simply be a technicality that the court of appeal will decide played no part in influencing the decision.

There are a lot of people who want a convicted rapist who admitted he slept with a girl without consent to be set free,
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He's been out a while?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #464
Samo said:
Wooosh! An appeal has been granted doofus.
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So a granted appeal automatically means you are inncoent?

Are you really this stupid Samo?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #465
Nick said:
He's been out a while?
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Figure of speech

Free of conviction
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #466
David O'Day said:
So a granted appeal automatically means you are inncoent?

Are you really this stupid Samo?
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Oh the crushing irony! :facepalm:
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #467
David O'Day said:
Who is denying a second appeal is taking place?
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No-one, but people keep saying he raped the girl and that's it, nowt else.

As it stands he is a convicted rapist. He has now however produced new evidence and the appeals board and they have looked at the evidence and believe it to be sgnificant enough to grant an appeal.

This is what Samo means about all black and white.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #468
Samo said:
If only we all lived in your 'simple' world! Things are either black or white right?

By the way: Would you like to show me one post on this entire thread that suggests he should be freed?
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The law is fairly black and white though, you can't partly or half rape someone. Is the law fair in that it doesn't consider grey areas? Maybe not but you need clear definitions for it to work properly.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #469
The bottom line is, it was all done and dusted and now it's not.

He's still a rapist as it stands. Let's see what this new evidence is.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #470
CCFC said:
The law is fairly black and white though, you can't partly or half rape someone. Is the law fair in that it doesn't consider grey areas? Maybe not but you need clear definitions for it to work properly.
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You do indeed, and eventually there will be a black or a white. But right now there is a way to go and we are still in varying degrees of grey until this whole sordid mess is finally resolved.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #471
Appeals are granted for new evidence or failure of process.

As the case was simple i.e Evans testified he had sex with a girl too drunk to give consent and MacDonald backed this statement up. The fact the didn't know this was a crime has no baring on the case. As the were only three people there i.e MacDonald. Evans and the Girl it is unlikely there is a new witness. As the fact that evans had intercourse with the girl is not in dount then it is not DNA evidence. Unless in the unlikely event he girl has remembered that she did give consent or in the even more unlikely event it is claimed she told someone else she gave consent then it is unlikely to be new evidence.

Which leads to due process i.e the technicality that can mean that trial is restarted.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #472
Samo said:
Oh the crushing irony! :facepalm:
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You seem to have as much of a grasp of Irony as Alanis Morrisette
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #473
David O'Day said:
Appeals are granted for new evidence or failure of process.

As the case was simple i.e Evans testified he had sex with a girl too drunk to give consent and MacDonald backed this statement up. The fact the didn't know this was a crime has no baring on the case. As the were only three people there i.e MacDonald. Evans and the Girl it is unlikely there is a new witness. As the fact that evans had intercourse with the girl is not in dount then it is not DNA evidence. Unless in the unlikely event he girl has remembered that she did give consent or in the even more unlikely event it is claimed she told someone else she gave consent then it is unlikely to be new evidence.

Which leads to due process i.e the technicality that can mean that trial is restarted.
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Gosh... are you a lawyer or something?
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #474
David O'Day said:
You seem to have as much of a grasp of Irony as Alanis Morrisette
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Poor Alanis. No I think I understand it fine. You calling me stupid is a perfect example.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #475
Samo said:
Gosh... are you a lawyer or something?
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I thought he was one half of Dollar.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #476
Samo said:
Gosh... are you a lawyer or something?
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No just not stupid
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #477
Samo said:
Gosh... are you a lawyer or something?
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So prove me wrong Samo, I dare ya
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #478
Let's just wait and see what the evidence is.

A lot of second guessing going on,, on here. None of us have any idea whether this is just down to a 'technicality' at all.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #479
David O'Day said:
So prove me wrong Samo, I dare ya
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But that's my point... It isn't over yet, there is yet to be a conclusion, there is no right, wrong, black or white yet. And I suspect that even when the legal system has been exhausted there will be doubts about this case. So you are certainly not wrong, not yet anyway, just a long way off being right.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #480
Otis said:
Let's just wait and see what the evidence is.

A lot of second guessing going on,, on here. None of us have any idea whether this is just down to a 'technicality' at all.
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And equally we don't know the evidence is significant either
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #481
I would say this case has been anything but simple. There have been debates across the land over it.

You only need to Google 'Ched Evans case' to see all the arguments and counter arguments and comment.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #482
CCFC said:
And equally we don't know the evidence is significant either
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Talking of which, you chose not to answer my question, care to do so?
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #483
CCFC said:
And equally we don't know the evidence is significant either
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But it has to be significant enough to warrant an appeal doesn't it? The appeals board have said there is new evidence that aids the Evans defence.

If it wasn't significant, why would they grant an appeal?
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #484
Samo said:
But that's my point... It isn't over yet, there is yet to be a conclusion, there is no right, wrong, black or white yet. And I suspect that even when the legal system has been exhausted there will be doubts about this case. So you are certainly not wrong, not yet anyway, just a long way off being right.
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That's the thing though, he is is in the black/wrong area at the moment. It was decided he was in the wrong, its up to him and his team to prove otherwise and until they can he remains in the wrong.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #485
Otis said:
But it has to be significant enough to warrant an appeal doesn't it? The appeals board have said there is new evidence that aids the Evans defence.

If it wasn't significant, why would they grant an appeal?
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Otis I've pointed out the facts behind the case. As it is unlikely to be a new witness and DNA is not a option it's either third party testimony or due process.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #486
CCFC said:
That's the thing though, he is is in the black/wrong area at the moment. It was decided he was in the wrong, its up to him and his team to prove otherwise and until they can he remains in the wrong.
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Very true. Ched Evans IS a rapist and remains so.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #487
Otis said:
Very true. Ched Evans IS a rapist and remains so.
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And in the balance of probabilities will remain so.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #488
CCFC said:
That's the thing though, he is is in the black/wrong area at the moment. It was decided he was in the wrong, its up to him and his team to prove otherwise and until they can he remains in the wrong.
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Yes... 'at the moment'. It's half time pal!
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #489
David O'Day said:
And in the balance of probabilities will remain so.
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Ooooh a statistician as well as a lawyer! How so?
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 6, 2015
  • #490
David O'Day said:
And in the balance of probabilities will remain so.
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Well, we will see won't we. Evans' team seem very confident of the conviction being quashed.
 
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