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DT-R

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  • Today at 9:51 AM
  • #351
torchomatic said:
Yeah, that is weird. Like British Trumpers, just dont get it.

I dont want any children to lose their father or a wife to lose her husband, but fuck, he was a racist and misogynistic and pretty much overflowing with hate.

This can never be a watershed moment when you have a Commander In Chief who sows division and hate rather than unity.

I can't think of a worst place to live than the United States.

Saying that, when you have hoards of illiterate twats shouting at hotels then we seem to be catching up fast.
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Im a British Trumper! My missus says, on my day I could be a world champion trumper!

Mine and the kids favourite game, to the disgust of the missus, is guess my trump. Where i shout "guess my trump" and the kids tale it in turns to make fart sounds to see who gets closest to my actual fart I do! Great fun and very childish! Always disappointing though when you end up with a silent one


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chiefdave

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  • Today at 10:08 AM
  • #352
SIR ERNIE said:
Wow that sounds like a horrible place, you must obviously know the country really well.

You're making me wonder whether I should sell my beautiful Florida waterfront vacation home and warn my fantastic friends over there to lock their doors and watch out for that nasty Iceman.
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Come on mate, you aren't that dumb. You can't take your personal situation and apply it to 350 million people across all races, religions, sexualities etc

When you've got the Supreme Court literally telling ICE they can target people on race alone of course that is going to be concerning for many people

SCOTUS tells ICE it can target people based on race

ICE gets the go-ahead for indiscriminate immigration stops in LA.
www.vox.com
 
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PVA

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  • Today at 10:16 AM
  • #353
SIR ERNIE said:
Wow that sounds like a horrible place, you must obviously know the country really well.

You're making me wonder whether I should sell my beautiful Florida waterfront vacation home and warn my fantastic friends over there to lock their doors and watch out for that nasty Iceman.
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You loving Florida is the least surprising thing ever
 
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fatso

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  • Today at 10:42 AM
  • #354
robbiekeane said:
Weird as fuck

Why does anyone in England care that much to go out and stand in the streets over a creepy religious guy who hates women thinks rape victims should carry babies to term
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Hilarious the way you've chosen that
one thing to obsess over, what about the thousands of other opinions he was happy to debate anyone on???

You dont seam to want to mention them for some reason?

And what's wrong with someone choosing to follow the teachings of Jesus???

What did Jesus say that you find so creepy? Come on give us an example, come on, just one???

I think your views are so bigoted and hate filled its pointless trying to get any sense out of you.
 
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Otis

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  • Today at 10:43 AM
  • #355
SIR ERNIE said:
Wow that sounds like a horrible place, you must obviously know the country really well.

You're making me wonder whether I should sell my beautiful Florida waterfront vacation home and warn my fantastic friends over there to lock their doors and watch out for that nasty Iceman.
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I have a friend in Houston, who is very scared. She works in newsroom editing and is of Korean heritage and then have friends in Denver and Indianapolis and they add pretty scared too. None of them could be described as democrats.

It's a huge country.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Today at 10:52 AM
  • #356
rob9872 said:
Have you not heard of @shmmeee ?
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I’m a delight
 
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shmmeee

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  • Today at 10:53 AM
  • #357
fatso said:
Hilarious the way you've chosen that
one thing to obsess over, what about the thousands of other opinions he was happy to debate anyone on???

You dont seam to want to mention them for some reason?

And what's wrong with someone choosing to follow the teachings of Jesus???

What did Jesus say that you find so creepy? Come on give us an example, come on, just one???

I think your views are so bigoted and hate filled its pointless trying to get any sense out of you.
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He wasn’t happy to debate anyone. He exclusively “debated” students
 

Otis

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  • Today at 10:55 AM
  • #358
fatso said:
Hilarious the way you've chosen that
one thing to obsess over, what about the thousands of other opinions he was happy to debate anyone on???

You dont seam to want to mention them for some reason?

And what's wrong with someone choosing to follow the teachings of Jesus???

What did Jesus say that you find so creepy? Come on give us an example, come on, just one???

I think your views are so bigoted and hate filled its pointless trying to get any sense out of you.
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The teachings of Jesus are fine, if that's what you believe in, sure .

But "most people are scared when they see a black person flying a plane?"

And "Leftists shouldn't be allowed to move to red states?"

"The guy who assaulted the Pelosi's should be bailed out?"

Where's the caring, Christian values and teachings of Jesus in that?

And where's the "though shalt not kill in all this?" He was saying gun deaths were acceptable to continue the 2nd amendment.

Hypocritical at best.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Today at 10:55 AM
  • #359
Ccfcisparks said:
i’m reading in the last couple hours he’s nick fuentes influenced right winger so i’m not sure
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This is bollocks. People not understanding memes and thinking the Slavic squat is Pepe.

He was just an overly online nihilist by the looks of it.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Today at 10:57 AM
  • #360
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Maybe in places like Russia and China, but in the west? Come on!

We and America have always been staunchly anti Communist and not shy to advertise that. People used to be blacklisted from jobs for being communists. The BBC had a symbol they put on employee records they suspected of being communists so they could keep an eye on them. The security services kept a very watchful eye on known or suspected communists. The likes of Stalin and Mao were definitely seen as bad/evil and that they were responsible for the deaths of tens of millions and were oppressive, executing or disappearing those who dissented.

I don't know what you think the definition of a whitewash is but it sure isn't the same as mine.

By the same criteria there is a whitewashing of the failures of capitalist ideology. It constantly talks up those few that have got rich while ignoring the millions that struggle to get by. It glamorises wealth and oppulence under the pretence that you can have this to if you try hard enough when that is just not true. Many of the richest cities have the highest levels of deprivation. Even the common metric of economic growth deliberately hides the massive discrepancies of a tiny few getting much richer while most get poorer by lumping it all into a single figure.

And for what it's worth, I'm hugely anti-Communist. I think even in its purest form it can't succeed as it's absolutely impossible for everyone to be equal in terms of power, influence and wealth especially when you take human nature and greed into account. And even if you could give everyone exactly the same then you just get a race to the bottom cos if people can't get more by doing more the only way they can 'win' is to get that equal share doing less.

Socialism on the other hand can be done with an equitable, but not equal, share and while there will be an almost infinite number of ways that could occur, and you can reasonably argue about whether it is possible to overcome things like the potential corruption, it does have the possibility of creating a society with a fairer distribution of wealth and power. Not perfect, but better.

Capitalism on the other hand we can see does not do that. It deliberately chooses to value and reward a very small set of circumstances that do not necessarily have any correlation to effort or ability so that a tiny number of people get a lot in perpetuity while most of the people get little. It is an inherently unfair system.
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Right, there's a huge amount to unpack here.

First point. Yes, in the West. As I've already stated communism societies are popping up in campuses across the UK. On the cesspit of social media the amount of Gen Z or Gen A which are self-proclaimed commie's due to anti-capitalism sentiment seemingly being on the rise.

The use of the USSR flag in communist marches such as those hosted by the RCP is bizarre and inappropriate given the history and what it's grown to represent, yes albeit the same argument could be used national flags such as the Union Jack, but regardless, the former is still tied directly to an unachievable ideology and a regime responsible for immense suffering. Many on the left are anti-flag seeing them as symbols of division. So for me it feels pretty inconsistent, or at the very least selective, when the USSR flag seems to be not just tolerated but actually embraced by a certain section of the movement.

The BBC point is utterly irrelevant and about 70 years out of date during a time when anti-communist paranoia was basically ingrained everywhere. During that time in the US the FBI were actively encouraging American citizens to report neighbours, colleagues, and family members for communist activity and there was a whole media campaign about it urging people to basically stay vigilant at all times.

That paranoia has waned massively since the USSR was dissolved and isn't really deemed a threat anymore. That paranoia however has though, among certain groups, been replaced by either apathy or even romanticisation among the younger generation. There are countless examples in the media and on socials of young (Western) people romanticising Communist leaders such as Che, Stalin or even Lenin, all of which committed awful atrocities and were ruthless when it came to oppressing their 'enemies'. I saw one recently which called the Soviet Union a 'vibe'.

This is a pretty good article in the WSJ although it's behind a paywall but it highlights my point about how a lot of this is down to a lack of proper education - most notably in the US - and general awareness of the atrocities communist leaders committed over the 20th Century: https://www.wsj.com/articles/teach-crimes-communism-stalin-hitler-school-43f76f4f

I'm well aware of what whitewashing means. I categorically don't need you to tell me when you clearly can't particularly understand the term yourself.

Not at all interested in a socialist vs capitalist debate, it's irrelevant to the discussion.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Today at 10:58 AM
  • #361
chiefdave said:
Come on mate, you aren't that dumb. You can't take your personal situation and apply it to 350 million people across all races, religions, sexualities etc

When you've got the Supreme Court literally telling ICE they can target people on race alone of course that is going to be concerning for many people

SCOTUS tells ICE it can target people based on race

ICE gets the go-ahead for indiscriminate immigration stops in LA.
www.vox.com
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He is that dumb. And old and white.
 

shmmeee

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  • Today at 10:59 AM
  • #362
torchomatic said:
He is that dumb. And old and white.
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He can only help one of those so not sure there’s a need.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 11:01 AM
  • #363
shmmeee said:
He can only help one of those so not sure there’s a need.
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There is a need. I'm old and white too, but not a racist or misogynistic. Ernie has shown what he is many times on here.

And, being white in Florida means he has ZERO to worry about. It's a fact.
 
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hill83

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  • Today at 11:02 AM
  • #364

Charlie Kirk was killed by a meme

Making sense of our dark new era of extremely online political violence
www.garbageday.email

Freely admit this is confusing as fuck to me. But interesting nonetheless.
 
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Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 11:04 AM
  • #365
hill83 said:

Charlie Kirk was killed by a meme

Making sense of our dark new era of extremely online political violence
www.garbageday.email

Freely admit this is confusing as fuck to me. But interesting nonetheless.
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Its interesting if not terrifying. Feel like in the UK we are maybe 3/4 years behind that nonsense going on in the US
 
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hill83

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  • Today at 11:05 AM
  • #366
Ccfcisparks said:
Its interesting if not terrifying. Feel like in the UK we are maybe 3/4 years behind that nonsense going on in the US
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A small part of me is thinking fuck it and require ID to be online after all. Or just shut the lot down.
 
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ajsccfc

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  • Today at 11:05 AM
  • #367
I remember the days when the internet was just the domain of slightly sad but ultimately harmless nerds. Put the screechy dialup sound back on everyone's connection and drive the nutters back offline.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Today at 11:06 AM
  • #368
torchomatic said:
There is a need. I'm old and white too, but not a racist or misogynistic. Ernie has shown what he is many times on here.

And, being white in Florida means he has ZERO to worry about. It's a fact.
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Ron DeSantis approves this message.
 

fatso

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  • Today at 11:10 AM
  • #369
Otis said:
The teachings of Jesus are fine, if that's what you believe in, sure .

But "most people are scared when they see a black person flying a plane?"

And "Leftists shouldn't be allowed to move to red states?"

"The guy who assaulted the Pelosi's should be bailed out?"

Where's the caring, Christian values and teachings of Jesus in that?

And where's the "though shalt not kill in all this?" He was saying gun deaths were acceptable to continue the 2nd amendment.

Hypocritical at best.
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I've no interest in defending the guy, and ive said I dont agree with everything he has said, but certain quotes have been taken very much out of context,

The quote about black pilots (as i understand) was taken from a debate about the pilot training program being forced to hit race quoters, and fast tracking black students through their exams who otherwise would not have been passed.

Thus the concern was that (some) sub standard pilots are getting their licences.

But that doesn't fit the narrative of the loonies who just want to paint him as a racist to (I'd imagine) justify what happened.

The fact that this guy was always prepared to debate with anyone while the lefties justvwanted to cancel him speaks volumes.

When you go to such extremes lengths to silence a man, its not because you disagree, its because you fear what he says.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 11:13 AM
  • #370
fatso said:
I've no interest in defending the guy, and ive said I dont agree with everything he has said, but certain quotes have been taken very much out of context,

The quote about black pilots (as i understand) was taken from a debate about the pilot training program being forced to hit race quoters, and fast tracking black students through their exams who otherwise would not have been passed.

Thus the concern was that (some) sub standard pilots are getting their licences.

But that doesn't fit the narrative of the loonies who just want to paint him as a racist to (I'd imagine) justify what happened.

The fact that this guy was always prepared to debate with anyone while the lefties justvwanted to cancel him speaks volumes.

When you go to such extremes lengths to silence a man, its not because you disagree, its because you fear what he says.
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No one is painting him as a racist because he was. Misogynist and a homophobe too. You want to defend that? Fine, fill yer boots.
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 11:13 AM
  • #371
fatso said:
I've no interest in defending the guy, and ive said I dont agree with everything he has said, but certain quotes have been taken very much out of context,

The quote about black pilots (as i understand) was taken from a debate about the pilot training program being forced to hit race quoters, and fast tracking black students through their exams who otherwise would not have been passed.

Thus the concern was that (some) sub standard pilots are getting their licences.

But that doesn't fit the narrative of the loonies who just want to paint him as a racist to (I'd imagine) justify what happened.

The fact that this guy was always prepared to debate with anyone while the lefties justvwanted to cancel him speaks volumes.

When you go to such extremes lengths to silence a man, its not because you disagree, its because you fear what he says.
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Oh good hopefully when he said the civil rights amendment was a mistake that was just taken out of context too.
 
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fatso

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  • Today at 11:15 AM
  • #372
torchomatic said:
No one is painting him as a racist because he was. Misogynist and a homophobe too. You want to defend that? Fine, fill yer boots.
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I've no reason to defend him, but its funny how all the hate words are being thrown around now

Come on, im sure you must have more up your sleeve.
 
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SBT

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  • Today at 11:16 AM
  • #373
fatso said:
The quote about black pilots (as i understand) was taken from a debate about the pilot training program being forced to hit race quoters, and fast tracking black students through their exams who otherwise would not have been passed.
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Questioning whether any black pilots are properly qualified because of “race quoters” sounds like pretty textbook racism to me?
 
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fatso

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  • Today at 11:17 AM
  • #374
Ccfcisparks said:
Oh good hopefully when he said the civil rights amendment was a mistake that was just taken out of context too.
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Im sure that debate will be on youtube or somewhere on line, have you listened to it?
If you find it send me a link and I'll gladly listen and give an opinion (if you want one)
 

Otis

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  • Today at 11:19 AM
  • #375
Ccfcisparks said:
Oh good hopefully when he said the civil rights amendment was a mistake that was just taken out of context too.
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Yeah, I left that one out, because I wanted to read up on it a bit more
 

TomRad85

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  • Today at 11:21 AM
  • #376
torchomatic said:
There is a need. I'm old and white too, but not a racist or misogynistic. Ernie has shown what he is many times on here.

And, being white in Florida means he has ZERO to worry about. It's a fact.
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Google Shawn Tyson. The news was fairly big over here at the time and involved a young Coventry City fan who some on here may have known sadly.
 

David O'Day

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  • Today at 11:21 AM
  • #377
fatso said:
Im sure that debate will be on youtube or somewhere on line, have you listened to it?
If you find it send me a link and I'll gladly listen and give an opinion (if you want one)
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Fact Check: Charlie Kirk once said passing the Civil Rights Act was a 'huge mistake'

The conservative activist's quote about the landmark legislation circulated online after he was fatally shot in September 2025.
ca.news.yahoo.com
 

fatso

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  • Today at 11:23 AM
  • #378
SBT said:
Questioning whether any black pilots are properly qualified because of “race quoters” sounds like pretty textbook racism to me?
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Well if one group of pilots is allowed to qualify when another group would of failed, is that acceptable.

Just to clarify. Not all black pilots are under qualified, this is down to the pass rate (allegidly) being lowered to allow less capable black pilots to pass their exams who would otherwise of failed.
This was supposedly done to allow a pre determined number of black people to qualify.

I dont know about you, but I'd just want the best candidates to pass, regardless of race. Colour, religion, sexuality etc etc.
Why should the bar be lowered for one demographic just to satisfy some arbitrary quota that someone, somewhere has plucked out of thin air?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Today at 11:24 AM
  • #379
Ccfcisparks said:
Its interesting if not terrifying. Feel like in the UK we are maybe 3/4 years behind that nonsense going on in the US
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There’s so much conflation between the USA and UK these days, especially with political rhetoric and beliefs.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 11:25 AM
  • #380
fatso said:
I've no interest in defending the guy, and ive said I dont agree with everything he has said, but certain quotes have been taken very much out of context,

The quote about black pilots (as i understand) was taken from a debate about the pilot training program being forced to hit race quoters, and fast tracking black students through their exams who otherwise would not have been passed.

Thus the concern was that (some) sub standard pilots are getting their licences.

But that doesn't fit the narrative of the loonies who just want to paint him as a racist to (I'd imagine) justify what happened.

The fact that this guy was always prepared to debate with anyone while the lefties justvwanted to cancel him speaks volumes.

When you go to such extremes lengths to silence a man, its not because you disagree, its because you fear what he says.
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no one was letting anyone fly planes when they weren't qualified
 

David O'Day

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  • Today at 11:25 AM
  • #381
Sick Boy said:
There’s so much conflation between the USA and UK these days, especially with political rhetoric and beliefs.
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We've already had internet inspired killers, just it was the incel community that inspired them
 
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fatso

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  • Today at 11:29 AM
  • #382
David O'Day said:
no one was letting anyone fly planes when they weren't qualified
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I think you misunderstood,

Some pilots qualifications were gained at a far lower pass rate than others.
So they may have gained the qualification, when others of a similar standard or higher, would of failed.

That's what was being alleged.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Today at 11:31 AM
  • #383
fatso said:
I think you misunderstood,

Some pilots qualifications were gained at a far lower pass rate than others.
So they may have gained the qualification, when others of a similar standard or higher, would of failed.

That's what was being alleged.
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Do you actually have any proof?
 
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wingy

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  • Today at 11:34 AM
  • #384
fatso said:
I've no interest in defending the guy, and ive said I dont agree with everything he has said, but certain quotes have been taken very much out of context,

The quote about black pilots (as i understand) was taken from a debate about the pilot training program being forced to hit race quoters, and fast tracking black students through their exams who otherwise would not have been passed.

Thus the concern was that (some) sub standard pilots are getting their licences.

But that doesn't fit the narrative of the loonies who just want to paint him as a racist to (I'd imagine) justify what happened.

The fact that this guy was always prepared to debate with anyone while the lefties justvwanted to cancel him speaks volumes.

When you go to such extremes lengths to silence a man, its not because you disagree, its because you fear what he says.
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It really does expose the racist tone of that quote tbf,if it's true then let's see evidence not anecdotes or not hearsay .
 
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Senior Vick from Alicante

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  • Today at 11:36 AM
  • #385
If you are a free speech advocate then this and any other assassination on the grounds of disagreement of the content of that speech is abhorrent. The fact that a father with different thoughts on life was murdered in front of his family and then sent around the world in seconds shows how quick social media is with news compared to traditional outlets. Charlie will always be right in one thing, you have to debate out in the open to win an argument. Driving fringe extremist views out can only be achieved by exposing it to the truth. He was also right to target university's, currently any student who disagrees with the group think ideology is effectively excommunicated. Look at the case of the girl who interviewed Graham Linehan at Leeds University, her treatment was appalling. See the Heretics podcast. Rules are there to be challenged and improved, the issue with part of society is they want them ripped up and to live lives without consequences and see violence as reasonable to achieve those aims. Be careful what you wish for!
 
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