The problem is we looked shaky and leaked silly goals before this season when we've gone gung ho to attack.In our last 14 games we've won 11, drawn 1 lost 2. We've won games because of the goals our defenders score.
Would you prefer our defenders to defend and not attack?
Overall, we haven’t looked shaky in defence this season. The majority of the goals we’ve conceded have been from set pieces which suggest that from open play, we’ve got a solid defensive structure.The problem is we looked shaky and leaked silly goals before this season when we've gone gung ho to attack.
There's problems in this defensive line. Id say it's improved especially with Rushworth but it's still is a concern and might well cost us.
The problem is we looked shaky and leaked silly goals before this season when we've gone gung ho to attack.
There's problems in this defensive line. Id say it's improved especially with Rushworth but it's still is a concern and might well cost us.
Overall, we haven’t looked shaky in defence this season. The majority of the goals we’ve conceded have been from set pieces which suggest that from open play, we’ve got a solid defensive structure.
I'd suggest if you cant defend a set piece, when you have time to organise and pick up your opponent and defend a cross that you know full well is coming into the box, then your not very solid at allwe haven’t looked shaky in defence this season. The majority of the goals we’ve conceded have been from set pieces which suggest that from open play, we’ve got a solid defensive structure.
Do you actually watch our games or just look at stats on the internet?
I'd suggest if you cant defend a set piece, when you have time to organise and pick up your opponent and defend a cross that you know full well is coming into the box, then your not very solid at all
Just on the eye test I think we’ve started home games very complacently and had to go behind in order to be jolted into action. That’s something I really want to see changing.The difference between our defence and the Ipswich and Stoke's defence is 3 goals... Our defence is the 5th best in the league. Overall, it is solid and recent uptick in goals conceded shouldn't cause too much panic.
One thing to note is that we've played less home matches than most of the teams around us (bar Boro) and we've still won the most home games in the league. At home, we've conceded 7 goals all season, it's away where our defence is a little more shaky.
There aren’t any teams around us!The difference between our defence and the Ipswich and Stoke's defence is 3 goals... Our defence is the 5th best in the league. Overall, it is solid and recent uptick in goals conceded shouldn't cause too much panic.
One thing to note is that we've played less home matches than most of the teams around us (bar Boro) and we've still won the most home games in the league. At home, we've conceded 7 goals all season, it's away where our defence is a little more shaky.
We've been caught out a number of times pressing a high line, and a simple ball behind the centre backs has caused huge problems.The difference between our defence and the Ipswich and Stoke's defence is 3 goals... Our defence is the 5th best in the league. Overall, it is solid and recent uptick in goals conceded shouldn't cause too much panic.
One thing to note is that we've played less home matches than most of the teams around us (bar Boro) and we've still won the most home games in the league. At home, we've conceded 7 goals all season, it's away where our defence is a little more shaky.
That applies to WBA, not so much the other games. Charlton, Sheff U and Norwich were all games where we conceded against the run of play.Just on the eye test I think we’ve started home games very complacently and had to go behind in order to be jolted into action. That’s something I really want to see changing.
Did you read what I said? We've played a number of ways over the last few seasons and always leak sloppy goals. And not just on the break.It’s a function of how we play. You can’t have it both ways.
Over 20 games, to cite 2 examples demonstrates my point to be honest. In any case, Ipswich was different, we were chasing the game. The pertinent point about that game is the goal we conceded in the first half was against the run of play and soft. We situationally play a high line when we’re chasing a goal or expecting to dominate possession so we will get caught on the odd occasion.We've been caught out a number of times pressing a high line, and a simple ball behind the centre backs has caused huge problems.
Watford at home was a classic case, but since then other teams have caught on to it.
Ipswich used it and scored 2.
Luckily Rushworth has saved us a few times, but we may need to tweak things a bit.
I haven't missed a game... What about you? If you based more of your opinions on stats, perhaps you'd be more level headed and wouldn't be so hysterical at times.
That's my 2 pence worth for you.
And yet whenever we’ve played a back 5 it’s looked pretty solid.My point is we give up more chances than our domination of some games suggests we should. We play aggressively and try and keep the ball in the opponents half and we rarely undergo sustained pressure without conceding. Our defence is easily turned with pace, especially is MvE is out, and has two CBs who struggle to defend their box. We are where we are because we play aggressively in the oppositions half a create chances to score. We don’t have a solid defence to fall back on if the goals dry up, we’ve just got a porous defence. And it’s not just “oh we’re attacking” because as you point out we concede from set pieces and when under sustained pressure.
That’s actually not true because we’ve conceded more goals than our xG.My point is we give up more chances than our domination of some games suggests we should. We play aggressively and try and keep the ball in the opponents half and we rarely undergo sustained pressure without conceding. Our defence is easily turned with pace, especially is MvE is out, and has two CBs who struggle to defend their box. We are where we are because we play aggressively in the oppositions half a create chances to score. We don’t have a solid defence to fall back on if the goals dry up, we’ve just got a porous defence.
And despite our style of play we still have the joint most clean sheets in the league. It's just people looking for problems honestly.That’s actually not true because we’ve conceded more goals than our xG. There’s
There have been games where we’ve conceded high xG chances but low xG goals and vice versa in attack. Thats just football.
Everything you’ve said just isn’t based on any data metrics, it’s just your subjective opinion. On xG and goals conceded, our defence is the 4th and 5th best in the league.
There’s nothing to worry about in terms of scoring goals and chance creation, the attack is by far the best in the league on xG and actual goals scored.
Is why the data or as you say, ‘internet stats’ people heavily back us to carry on to get promoted.
The eye test does matter in fairness, data can’t capture everything that matters. The biggest issue is clearly set pieces though, I have my own standard rant on what would help there but nobody needs to hear it again!That’s actually not true because we’ve conceded more goals than our xG. There’s
There have been games where we’ve conceded high xG chances but low xG goals and vice versa in attack. Thats just football.
Everything you’ve said just isn’t based on any data metrics, it’s just your subjective opinion. On xG and goals conceded, our defence is the 4th and 5th best in the league.
There’s nothing to worry about in terms of scoring goals and chance creation, the attack is by far the best in the league on xG and actual goals scored.
Is why the data or as you say, ‘internet stats’ people heavily back us to carry on to get promoted.
The goal we conceded against Preston was soft too, a simple set piece ball into their only striker who was not marked anywhere near well enough. You cant rely on a keeper bailing you out when the team continually fails to defend.Over 20 games, to cite 2 examples demonstrates my point to be honest. In any case, Ipswich was different, we were chasing the game. The pertinent point about that game is the goal we conceded in the first half was against the run of play and soft. We situationally play a high line when we’re chasing a goal or expecting to dominate possession so we will get caught on the odd occasion.
As Lampard said, it’s Rushworth’s job to make saves. Just look at the saves made against us in the last two game. Iverson kept PNE in it on Tuesday.
As good as Burnley were last season, they massively relied on Trafford to make good saves, he was directly responsible for saving a ridiculously high xG of chances.
We need more strength at left back given that we’re asking Dasilva to play 90 minutes every game at the moment. Defence wasn’t the issue Tuesday though.The goal we conceded against Preston was soft too, a simple set piece ball into their only striker who was not marked anywhere near well enough. You cant rely on a keeper bailing you out when the defence continually fails.
How many clean sheets have we had of late? I can understand why Frank wants to improve the defence. We need to add some genuine pace which is lacking. (other than MvE)
100% it’s the usual unnecessary and manufactured moral panic.And despite our style of play we still have the joint most clean sheets in the league. It's just people looking for problems honestly.
How do we compare to the rest of the league on set pieces?The eye test does matter in fairness, data can’t capture everything that matters. The biggest issue is clearly set pieces though, I have my own standard rant on what would help there but nobody needs to hear it again!
I agree we need to add depth at LB, Bidwell will move on at the end of the season, maybe sooner, and ive no idea what's happened to Brau, if hes not ready then maybe a loan move would be on the cards, that would get him off the squad list and free up another place. (Same for Lats)We need more strength at left back given that we’re asking Dasilva to play 90 minutes every game at the moment. Defence wasn’t the issue Tuesday though.
One clean sheet since we beat Blackburn 2-0. It’s somewhat redundant because we’ve often scored 2-3. When you’re scoring as much as we are, there is a trade off.The goal we conceded against Preston was soft too, a simple set piece ball into their only striker who was not marked anywhere near well enough. You cant rely on a keeper bailing you out when the team continually fails to defend.
How many clean sheets have we had of late? I can understand why Frank wants to improve the defence. We need to add some genuine pace which is lacking. (other than MvE) we would definitely need to add if we were to go up.
Still think we'll sign Villads Nielsen at CB, hopefully that means Lati can move on somewhere. Don't think we'll touch LB until the summer. I'd like more quality there but we're just carrying too many of them to justify it.We need more strength at left back given that we’re asking Dasilva to play 90 minutes every game at the moment. Defence wasn’t the issue Tuesday though.
If we’re signing permanent players on long contracts they need to be players we think can step up a division. If he is one, sure.Still think we'll sign Villads Nielsen at CB, hopefully that means Lati can move on somewhere. Don't think we'll touch LB until the summer. I'd like more quality there but we're just carrying too many of them to justify it.
He’s on the bench for a UCL team but he’d strike me as a ‘one for the future’ and therefore, don’t think it fits the mould.If we’re signing permanent players on long contracts they need to be players we think can step up a division. If he is one, sure.
We have conceded 15 in 11 away games, and 9 of those were conceded in 3 games, Derby, Wrexham, and Ipswich. in the other 8 games we have conceded 6 if my maths is correct.The difference between our defence and the Ipswich and Stoke's defence is 3 goals... Our defence is the 5th best in the league. Overall, it is solid and recent uptick in goals conceded shouldn't cause too much panic.
One thing to note is that we've played less home matches than most of the teams around us (bar Boro) and we've still won the most home games in the league. At home, we've conceded 7 goals all season, it's away where our defence is a little more shaky.
While you are 100% right, the irony is that for extended periods this season, we actually have had it both ways!It’s a function of how we play. You can’t have it both ways.
Exactly, some of the concerns here are being overstated essentially because we lost 3-0 to Ipswich.We have conceded 15 in 11 away games, and 9 of those were conceded in 3 games, Derby, Wrexham, and Ipswich. in the other 8 games we have conceded 6 if my maths is correct.
Derby was very early in the season and probably before we had settled, Wrexham was against our reserve defence, and Ipswich ...
I agree we need to add depth at LB, Borrows will move on at the end of the season, maybe sooner, and ive no idea what's happened to Brau, if hes not ready then maybe a loan move would be on the cards, that would get him off the squad list and free up another place. (Same for Lats)
No. If Hull weren’t willing to sell him when they were one of preseason favourites for relegation, why would they sell when they’re in the Top 6?Are Thomas/Kitching the problem? Do we need Hughes with Woolf not even getting sufficient game time? The answer to both is no
Defending is a team issue. The last 3 goals conceded when drawing/leading:
Preston (A) - JDS not quick enough to stop the cross & Wright lets his man get the shot off
Ipswich (A) - KKH loses the 50/50 & isn't quick enough to pressure the guy shooting
Charlton (H) - Torp fails to deal with the second ball & it lands luckily to their player
Why do people think the guy playing for the team with the 3rd most goals conceded this season is going to solve this?
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