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shmmeee

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  • Today at 12:18 PM
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Sky Blue Goblin said:
No I think the interest was reported in 2023/24 season before Vik was sold and he joined Bordeaux
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It was the end of 22/23 from what I can see so maybe six months after Austin joined and we were named along with a host of championship clubs the consensus on here seemed to be it wasn’t a valid link. But sure. It doesn’t change my feelings on Austin’s record.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Today at 12:22 PM
  • #13,057
shmmeee said:
By who? When? I’ve genuinely not seen any praise for our recruitment since Austin took it over.

And even if you take that receipts into account we’ve spent far more than most non parachute clubs. I’m not going over this again and lol reacts a vague “everyone knows” aren’t an argument.
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You have previously said that Hamer would drag us through matches on his own (Transfer Rumour - 25/26 Summer Transfer Window).

With that being so, surely you agree that absent of a player of Hamer (or Gyokeres' ilk) to be as competitive as we are, the recruitment all over the pitch has on the whole been very good.
 
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Shannerz

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  • Today at 12:36 PM
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shmmeee said:
And even if you take that receipts into account we’ve spent far more than most non parachute clubs.
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We had to. We also had that big sales income, which clubs get only infrequently.

After the first play off season we had to either buy a squad or continue with the continual churn of loanees.

As for who's praised our recruitment; it's generally praised in television commentaries, in established media sources, etc. In fact, the only time I've seen our recruitment criticised especially is on here after we've lost a few (it's brilliant when we're winning, mind).

ETA: it's also not so much your comment I'm laughing at, as you having so many hills that you're prepared to die on. It's admirable, in a sense; you stick to your guns, I'll give you that.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Today at 12:54 PM
  • #13,059
shmmeee said:
It was the end of 22/23 from what I can see so maybe six months after Austin joined and we were named along with a host of championship clubs the consensus on here seemed to be it wasn’t a valid link. But sure. It doesn’t change my feelings on Austin’s record.
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You can feel how you like on Austin’s recruitment was just clarifying when the link was.
 
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AJB1983

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  • Today at 1:22 PM
  • #13,060
Our game against Southampton moved to 12:30 again. On tv.
Why do we never get a later kick off? (Apart from at Christmas)
 

Balli001

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  • Today at 1:28 PM
  • #13,061
AJB1983 said:
Our game against Southampton moved to 12:30 again. On tv.
Why do we never get a later kick off? (Apart from at Christmas)
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Because apart from Friday nights EFL games are very rarely on TV on weekend late kick offs
 

shmmeee

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  • Today at 1:57 PM
  • #13,062
fernandopartridge said:
You have previously said that Hamer would drag us through matches on his own (Transfer Rumour - 25/26 Summer Transfer Window).

With that being so, surely you agree that absent of a player of Hamer (or Gyokeres' ilk) to be as competitive as we are, the recruitment all over the pitch has on the whole been very good.
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I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall here so I’m going to repeat my criticism of Austin for the eleventy billionth time and then trust you guys are capable of reading and comprehending which I get is a huge gamble but honestly I’m so tired boss.

We have spent a lot of money on players. More than pretty much the entire league. I would expect us to get promoted. The reason we are at the top this season has more to do with historic underperformance of the parachute clubs (clubs receiving parachute payments can afford larger wage bills so often finish in most of the top three positions leaving fourth and below as the target for most non parachute clubs) than it does to do with an amazing transfer strategy or a genius manager. This also applies to Middlesbrough who has spent a bit less per player but still more than everyone else.

In a normal season we’d be 3rd or 4th behind a couple of parachute clubs which is pretty much exactly where we are in the spending charts.

Like a striker who scores at or below his xG I don’t see this as evidence of adding value beyond what you’d expect. When we get promoted we will be at a financial disadvantage and as such will need to get more than our moneys worth. I do not think Austin is capable of this. His signings have generally been just OK and have cost an awful lot of money. We have consistently failed to attract the kinds of bids we expect for example for van Ewijk and we have spent a lot of money on players who have failed to hold down a place.

I would prefer it if our head of recruitment showed some aptitude in finding players valued below their ability as Badlan consistently did because I feel that would both increase our chances of staying up next season without significant investment and of recouping our outlay on players if we don’t.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Today at 1:57 PM
  • #13,063
AJB1983 said:
Our game against Southampton moved to 12:30 again. On tv.
Why do we never get a later kick off? (Apart from at Christmas)
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That’s a bonus for me as I am away that weekend so can still watch it
 

SBAndy

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  • Today at 2:12 PM
  • #13,064
shmmeee said:
I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall here so I’m going to repeat my criticism of Austin for the eleventy billionth time and then trust you guys are capable of reading and comprehending which I get is a huge gamble but honestly I’m so tired boss.

We have spent a lot of money on players. More than pretty much the entire league. I would expect us to get promoted. The reason we are at the top this season has more to do with historic underperformance of the parachute clubs (clubs receiving parachute payments can afford larger wage bills so often finish in most of the top three positions leaving fourth and below as the target for most non parachute clubs) than it does to do with an amazing transfer strategy or a genius manager. This also applies to Middlesbrough who has spent a bit less per player but still more than everyone else.

In a normal season we’d be 3rd or 4th behind a couple of parachute clubs which is pretty much exactly where we are in the spending charts.

Like a striker who scores at or below his xG I don’t see this as evidence of adding value beyond what you’d expect. When we get promoted we will be at a financial disadvantage and as such will need to get more than our moneys worth. I do not think Austin is capable of this. His signings have generally been just OK and have cost an awful lot of money. We have consistently failed to attract the kinds of bids we expect for example for van Ewijk and we have spent a lot of money on players who have failed to hold down a place.

I would prefer it if our head of recruitment showed some aptitude in finding players valued below their ability as Badlan consistently did because I feel that would both increase our chances of staying up next season without significant investment and of recouping our outlay on players if we don’t.
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We’re heading into dangerous territory this summer if we don’t go up. Around £15m of player spend heading into the last year of their contract (excluding Wright due to his option year). Need to get some of these on longer contracts or hope we can get a decent turn on that spend.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Today at 2:23 PM
  • #13,065
shmmeee said:
I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall here so I’m going to repeat my criticism of Austin for the eleventy billionth time and then trust you guys are capable of reading and comprehending which I get is a huge gamble but honestly I’m so tired boss.

We have spent a lot of money on players. More than pretty much the entire league. I would expect us to get promoted. The reason we are at the top this season has more to do with historic underperformance of the parachute clubs (clubs receiving parachute payments can afford larger wage bills so often finish in most of the top three positions leaving fourth and below as the target for most non parachute clubs) than it does to do with an amazing transfer strategy or a genius manager. This also applies to Middlesbrough who has spent a bit less per player but still more than everyone else.

In a normal season we’d be 3rd or 4th behind a couple of parachute clubs which is pretty much exactly where we are in the spending charts.

Like a striker who scores at or below his xG I don’t see this as evidence of adding value beyond what you’d expect. When we get promoted we will be at a financial disadvantage and as such will need to get more than our moneys worth. I do not think Austin is capable of this. His signings have generally been just OK and have cost an awful lot of money. We have consistently failed to attract the kinds of bids we expect for example for van Ewijk and we have spent a lot of money on players who have failed to hold down a place.

I would prefer it if our head of recruitment showed some aptitude in finding players valued below their ability as Badlan consistently did because I feel that would both increase our chances of staying up next season without significant investment and of recouping our outlay on players if we don’t.
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The scout is being criticised by you for getting the team to where in your view it should be expected to be? Even allowing for your nonsense about the underperformance of the parachute clubs (see below) being the reason.

This is the historic points achieved after 31 games for the team sat in second place when most teams have played 31. Where the second placed team has a game in hand I've provided the points tally for the team sat in third having played 31.

Coventry have 59 from 31 games played this season.

2024/25: 61 from 31 Burnley P
2023/24: 64 from 30, and 63 from 31 Leeds P and Southampton P
2022/23: 61 from 31 Sheff Utd P
2021/22: 58 from 30, and 54 from 32 Bournemouth P and Blackburn
2020/21: 57 from 31 Brentford
2019/20: 55 from 31 Leeds
2018/19: 58 from 31 Leeds

Aside from a couple of recent seasons heavily distorted by parachute payments, the points total achieved is well in line with the expected total of a team sat in second place at this point. You are, as usual, talking shite.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Today at 2:32 PM
  • #13,066
Badlan found some gems, Hamer and McCallum certainly. I'm not sure he necessarily had anything to do with signing Gyokeres. From what has been described it was Robins who made the decision to make his deal permanent.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 2:41 PM
  • #13,067
We’re well set unless team is on a huge downward spiral or results have been bad for a number of months
It can change quickly we just can’t see it
 

Shannerz

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  • Today at 2:54 PM
  • #13,068
shmmeee said:
We have spent a lot of money on players.
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That's ignoring the fact that our starting point was very low.

Our first play off team consisted of Gus, Vik, loanees, players that had come up with us from League 1 and a handful of others,.

Gus and Vik were sold, the loanees went back to whence they came, many remaining were squad players (three remaining from the previous season you would class as bona fide first team players - O'Hare, Sheaf, Bidwell).

If you say 'we've spent more than others' then there has to be context to that. Others had a stronger base, so didn't need the same outlay.

Since that huge rebuild following that season, I do not think our spend has been particularly noteworthy in relation to equivalent clubs.
 
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AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Today at 3:29 PM
  • #13,069
It’s been a sustainable build. Our squad value now which is pretty much off the back of Vik and Gus money being reinvested is brilliant.
 

Otis

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  • Today at 3:35 PM
  • #13,070
So, we all rooting for a double whammy in the FA Cup tonight?

Ipswich to beat Wrexham, therefore causing more fixture congestion for the Tractor Boys and a halt in production of The Miracle Of The Racecourse Ground Boys movie.

Best outcome, surely.

Be good if Hull beat Chelsea too.
 
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sc1940

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  • Today at 3:44 PM
  • #13,071
Otis said:
So, we all rooting for a double whammy in the FA Cup tonight?

Ipswich to beat Wrexham, therefore causing more fixture congestion for the Tractor Boys and a halt in production of The Miracle Of The Racecourse Ground Boys movie.

Best outcome, surely.

Be good if Hull beat Chelsea too.
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They play again in the league next Saturday, Hopefully Wrexham lose tonight and then learn what it takes to beat them next week.
 
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wingy

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  • Today at 3:49 PM
  • #13,072
Otis said:
So, we all rooting for a double whammy in the FA Cup tonight?

Ipswich to beat Wrexham, therefore causing more fixture congestion for the Tractor Boys and a halt in production of The Miracle Of The Racecourse Ground Boys movie.

Best outcome, surely.

Be good if Hull beat Chelsea too.
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Thanks Otis I was just coming on to see who'd got the honour tonight,now I don't need to!,
 
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Otis

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  • Today at 3:50 PM
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sc1940 said:
They play again in the league next Saturday, Hopefully Wrexham lose tonight and then learn what it takes to beat them next week.
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Exactly.

That would be perfect
 
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shmmeee

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  • Today at 4:06 PM
  • #13,074
Shannerz said:
That's ignoring the fact that our starting point was very low.

Our first play off team consisted of Gus, Vik, loanees, players that had come up with us from League 1 and a handful of others,.

Gus and Vik were sold, the loanees went back to whence they came, many remaining were squad players (three remaining from the previous season you would class as bona fide first team players - O'Hare, Sheaf, Bidwell).

If you say 'we've spent more than others' then there has to be context to that. Others had a stronger base, so didn't need the same outlay.

Since that huge rebuild following that season, I do not think our spend has been particularly noteworthy in relation to equivalent clubs.
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No it’s not we’ve signed a whole new first team. And other teams sell players too it’s the Championship FFS. Just taking Boro in the last couple of years Finn Azaz and Latte Lathe went for as much as Vik and Gus. We aren’t special, you just follow us.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Today at 4:17 PM
  • #13,075
shmmeee said:
No it’s not we’ve signed a whole new first team. And other teams sell players too it’s the Championship FFS. Just taking Boro in the last couple of years Finn Azaz and Latte Lathe went for as much as Vik and Gus. We aren’t special, you just follow us.
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According to Transfermarkt they've spent €29m this season. We've spent €13.6m.

Last season they spent €25m to our €21m.
 

Shannerz

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  • Today at 4:25 PM
  • #13,076
shmmeee said:
No it’s not we’ve signed a whole new first team. And other teams sell players too it’s the Championship FFS. Just taking Boro in the last couple of years Finn Azaz and Latte Lathe went for as much as Vik and Gus. We aren’t special, you just follow us.
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They haven't required a compete rebuild.

Middlesbrough were an established Championship team when we faced them in the playoffs. We were newbies sprinkled with a little stardust strapped together with loanees, and were emerging from years of mismanagement.

We're on an equal footing now, but we were not when we had to build a team pretty much scratch. It's the fact that we were able to cash in and rebuild that's allowed us to be on equal terms with them. We have no right to expect to be ahead of them or others of their stature.
 
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clint van damme

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  • 48 minutes ago
  • #13,077
shmmeee said:
I feel like I’m talking to a brick wall here so I’m going to repeat my criticism of Austin for the eleventy billionth time and then trust you guys are capable of reading and comprehending which I get is a huge gamble but honestly I’m so tired boss.

We have spent a lot of money on players. More than pretty much the entire league. I would expect us to get promoted. The reason we are at the top this season has more to do with historic underperformance of the parachute clubs (clubs receiving parachute payments can afford larger wage bills so often finish in most of the top three positions leaving fourth and below as the target for most non parachute clubs) than it does to do with an amazing transfer strategy or a genius manager. This also applies to Middlesbrough who has spent a bit less per player but still more than everyone else.

In a normal season we’d be 3rd or 4th behind a couple of parachute clubs which is pretty much exactly where we are in the spending charts.

Like a striker who scores at or below his xG I don’t see this as evidence of adding value beyond what you’d expect. When we get promoted we will be at a financial disadvantage and as such will need to get more than our moneys worth. I do not think Austin is capable of this. His signings have generally been just OK and have cost an awful lot of money. We have consistently failed to attract the kinds of bids we expect for example for van Ewijk and we have spent a lot of money on players who have failed to hold down a place.

I would prefer it if our head of recruitment showed some aptitude in finding players valued below their ability as Badlan consistently did because I feel that would both increase our chances of staying up next season without significant investment and of recouping our outlay on players if we don’t.
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According to transfer market we're 13th for net spend this season
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • 33 minutes ago
  • #13,078
On Badlan vs Austin, did he find us some gems. Absolutely Hamer, and McCallum come to mind but…

He also brought in Dacosta, Kane, Walker, Waghorn, Hilbner, Reid, Tayo (palace LB) and Tavares (harsh to add compared to some of them).

I think we are a bit revisionist to stay that Badlan brought in only gems when he also had his fair few failures and wasted money when we didn’t have much to waste.

I think Austin’s only real Gems have been Sakamoto (£1.3), McNally (All be it a loan but he was great for us), Torp (£2.5) and I think I would put Dovin here (£1.9) but understand that might be too early.

But his goal was to get us to the top six (alongside managers) and that has been achieved for three of the three and a half seasons he’s been here. Can’t moan that much can we?
 
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TomRad85

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  • 20 minutes ago
  • #13,079
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Can’t moan that much can we?
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Are you new here?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • 12 minutes ago
  • #13,080
clint van damme said:
According to transfer market we're 13th for net spend this season
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Sky Blue Goblin said:
On Badlan vs Austin, did he find us some gems. Absolutely Hamer, and McCallum come to mind but…

He also brought in Dacosta, Kane, Walker, Waghorn, Hilbner, Reid, Tayo (palace LB) and Tavares (harsh to add compared to some of them).

I think we are a bit revisionist to stay that Badlan brought in only gems when he also had his fair few failures and wasted money when we didn’t have much to waste.

I think Austin’s only real Gems have been Sakamoto (£1.3), McNally (All be it a loan but he was great for us), Torp (£2.5) and I think I would put Dovin here (£1.9) but understand that might be too early.

But his goal was to get us to the top six (alongside managers) and that has been achieved for three of the three and a half seasons he’s been here. Can’t moan that much can we?
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MVE was a great signing, £3.5m
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • 3 minutes ago
  • #13,081
fernandopartridge said:
MVE was a great signing, £3.5m
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Don’t disagree to be fair. Was just thinking around under £3 million for some odd reason
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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TomRad85 said:
Are you new here?
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