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Evo1883

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  • Jan 24, 2025
  • #2,486
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He hasn't had a successful season in quite some time.
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He guided sheffield united to 9th In the prem 4 seasons ago ?
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 24, 2025
  • #2,487
Anyway , great win for hull , they should be fine this season .. Derby drop into the bottom 3 and are in bad form
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,488
Evo1883 said:
He guided sheffield united to 9th In the prem 4 seasons ago ?
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Since then he guided them to two record breakingly bad seasons in the Prem, failed at Boro and was quickly sacked by Watford. He's lucky to have Hamer in the side this season else they'd be nowhere near.
 

Hutch11

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,489
Wilder is a cnut
 
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Peter Billing Eyes

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,490
Hutch11 said:
Wilder is a cnut
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Bit unfair. Depeche Mode were better band before he left.
 
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Tommo1993

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,491
Simms and Cannon are too different IMO. Think Simms offers more in build up and general play, perhaps Cannon better finisher. But hypothetically if there was a straight swap deal on the table I’m not sure I’d take it.

One thing though, bringing another player into the convo. If Cannon goes for £10m, CCFC shouldn’t entertain anything less than £30m for Haji Wright. Seriously.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,492
How many pens? 6?
Evo1883 said:
27 pro goals

He is on 11 this season at a shit stoke team in all comps

I didn't realise me saying I think cannon was a better striker would upset so many
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y
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,493
Sky Blue Pete said:
How many pens? 6?

y
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4

Why do people pretend penalties don't count ?

Either way who actually cares , I just gave my opinion and it might be right it might be wrong
 

covcity4life

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,494
I cannon believe you guys are still talking about this!
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,495
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Since then he guided them to two record breakingly bad seasons in the Prem, failed at Boro and was quickly sacked by Watford. He's lucky to have Hamer in the side this season else they'd be nowhere near.
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They've played 2 games without hamer , won 1 lost 1 .


Either way this shows he's clearly had a decent managerial career

Chris Wilder - Performance details: National leagues

Diese Statistik zeigt die nationalen Liga Leistungsdaten von Chris Wilder. Die erste Tabelle zeigt die Daten pro Wettbewerb, die zweite die jeweiligen Spielzeiten pro Wettbewerb im Detail.
www.transfermarkt.co.uk
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,496
Tommo1993 said:
Simms and Cannon are too different IMO. Think Simms offers more in build up and general play, perhaps Cannon better finisher. But hypothetically if there was a straight swap deal on the table I’m not sure I’d take it.

One thing though, bringing another player into the convo. If Cannon goes for £10m, CCFC shouldn’t entertain anything less than £30m for Haji Wright. Seriously.
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Come on a bit silly that , 29 mill
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,497
I think honestly we'd be a better team with Simms in the side rather than Cannon. We don't have the team to make up for the lack of general play ability where as Sheffield United and Sunderland clearly thought they did and do.
 

SBAndy

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,498
Evo1883 said:
4

Why do people pretend penalties don't count ?

Either way who actually cares , I just gave my opinion and it might be right it might be wrong
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It’s not so much that penalties ‘don’t count’ but that it skews the goals figure if you’re comparing a penalty taker vs a non-penalty taker. Also theoretically Cannon may have been stood in the centre circle when each penalty was awarded so hasn’t done anything to contribute to the chance.

I do like Cannon, though. Wouldn’t pay £10m for him but definitely a good player and as long as he’s in a team creating chances he’ll get goals.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,499
SBAndy said:
It’s not so much that penalties ‘don’t count’ but that it skews the goals figure if you’re comparing a penalty taker vs a non-penalty taker. Also theoretically Cannon may have been stood in the centre circle when each penalty was awarded so hasn’t done anything to contribute to the chance.

I do like Cannon, though. Wouldn’t pay £10m for him but definitely a good player and as long as he’s in a team creating chances he’ll get goals.
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I think if you put cannon and Simms infront of goal with just the keeper to beat and said score .. cannon scores more often than Simms and that's all I'm saying .

Either way it's not a big deal
 
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Gint11

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,500
Evo1883 said:
That's football ,.all teams have a bad day or 2
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Yeah, but
GaryJones said:
Hull have made good signings!!!
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thats not the point I was making.
We, as fans see some signings other clubs make and feel it’s brilliant and we should have done that but ‘names’ signings doesn’t guarantee success.

FL creates a style, we need players to fit into it.
 

Gint11

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,501
GaryJones said:
Hull have made good signings!!!
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I know wilder has had success and they’ll probably get out of the league this year but he signs players like a scatter gun and like we would on football manager
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,502
Evo1883 said:
4

Why do people pretend penalties don't count ?

Either way who actually cares , I just gave my opinion and it might be right it might be wrong
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They do count they are 0.9 xg chance though
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,503
Sky Blue Pete said:
They do count they are 0.9 xg chance though
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.75xg I think actually Pete may be wrong
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,504
Ccfcisparks said:
.75xg I think actually Pete may be wrong
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Often am
How does that work?
1 in 4 pens are missed ???

wow
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,505
Sky Blue Pete said:
Often am
How does that work?
1 in 4 pens are missed ???

wow
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Apprently so, but the xG doesn’t count if the penalty is saved and then the rebound scored
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,506
Sky Blue Pete said:
Often am
How does that work?
1 in 4 pens are missed ???

wow
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Either way , still got to score them
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,507
Sky Blue Pete said:
Often am
How does that work?
1 in 4 pens are missed ???

wow
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aorubd 8/49 so far in the PL according to transfermarkt so around that
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,508
shmmeee said:
aorubd 8/49 so far in the PL according to transfermarkt so around that
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Yep pretty much bang on that’s really interesting
So it’s quite unlikely that 10 pens in a shootout will go in
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,509
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep pretty much bang on that’s really interesting
So it’s quite unlikely that 10 pens in a shootout will go in
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Apart from if they are against us to go to the Premier league
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,510
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep pretty much bang on that’s really interesting
So it’s quite unlikely that 10 pens in a shootout will go in
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I’d guess shootouts are lower too as it’s not always your penalty specialist taking it unlike in games.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,511
Evo1883 said:
I think if you put cannon and Simms infront of goal with just the keeper to beat and said score .. cannon scores more often than Simms and that's all I'm saying .

Either way it's not a big deal
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Yeah I’d probably agree with that. Simms I’d say is a bang average finisher (that’s not a bad indictment) whereas Cannon is slightly above average.
 

Lamps

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,512
Evo1883 said:
I think if you put cannon and Simms infront of goal with just the keeper to beat and said score .. cannon scores more often than Simms and that's all I'm saying .

Either way it's not a big deal
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Do you think Simms is worth 3.5m?

Do you think Cannon is worth 10m?
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,513
Lamps said:
Do you think Simms is worth 3.5m?

Do you think Cannon is worth 10m?
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I think cannon is slightly overpriced sure

Not even sure what simms would fetch tbh
 

Gint11

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,514
Evo1883 said:
I think cannon is slightly overpriced sure

Not even sure what simms would fetch tbh
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I don’t think any player in world football is worth what clubs pay including salaries and bonuses.

Hearing Ronaldo will move onto £3M a week is wrong
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,515
Evo1883 said:
I think cannon is slightly overpriced sure

Not even sure what simms would fetch tbh
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If he made use of the strong attributes he has he could easily go for a similar fee to Cannon or more. The issue is we just don't see that often enough
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,516
Evo1883 said:
They've played 2 games without hamer , won 1 lost 1 .
Either way this shows he's clearly had a decent managerial career


Chris Wilder - Performance details: National leagues

Diese Statistik zeigt die nationalen Liga Leistungsdaten von Chris Wilder. Die erste Tabelle zeigt die Daten pro Wettbewerb, die zweite die jeweiligen Spielzeiten pro Wettbewerb im Detail.
www.transfermarkt.co.uk
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He's objectively a good manager, I am not sure what the problem people have with him is. What he did with Sheffield Utd in his first spell was brilliant really.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,517
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If he made use of the strong attributes he has he could easily go for a similar fee to Cannon or more. The issue is we just don't see that often enough
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Last three I think he’s really been showing his potential more TBH. It’s a matter of doing that every week and not in fits and starts.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,518
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If he made use of the strong attributes he has he could easily go for a similar fee to Cannon or more. The issue is we just don't see that often enough
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Isn't that the case with many footballers ?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,519
Evo1883 said:
Isn't that the case with many footballers ?
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Not all players have the physique Simms has
 

Evo1883

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  • Jan 25, 2025
  • #2,520
fernandopartridge said:
Not all players have the physique Simms has
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No I mean if they used their attributes more often they'd be better basically .. it's the same for many footballers .

I like simms but I think he's underperformed alot here and for what we pay him I'd like to see what he can do more often

We can't wait half a season every season for him to start playing well
 
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