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mmttww

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  • Mar 7, 2025
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Thought I'd get a season off from trying not to check other results and looking at the table all the time. Thanks, Bling.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 7, 2025
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mmttww said:
Thought I'd get a season off from trying not to check other results and looking at the table all the time. Thanks, Bling.
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Same
 
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SBbucks

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,888
Sky Blue Pete said:
Same
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We’ve only got 2 more months of it
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,889
SBbucks said:
Irrelevant. It was offside at the point it bounced off the back of the #20. A rebound or deflection does not play you onside; it’s only onside if a defender deliberately plays the ball.
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it was a long throw wasn't it? then it hit norwich defender who headed it on to the back of his teammate and then it went to the goal scorer

you can't be offside from a throw so unless i missed something where is the oxford touch to make it offside?
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,890

Norwich City 1-1 Oxford United | Championship Highlights

Highlights of the Sky Bet Championship match between Norwich and Oxford
www.skysports.com

1:03

Long throw and the Norwich number 3 heads it on to the back of the norwich number 20?
 
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SBbucks

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,891
David O'Day said:
it was a long throw wasn't it? then it hit norwich defender who headed it on to the back of his teammate and then it went to the goal scorer

you can't be offside from a throw so unless i missed something where is the oxford touch to make it offside?
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Read what I said above, I’m not sure how else to explain it. As soon as it hit #20 on the back and bounced through to the striker it is offside, as #20 clearly didn’t deliberately play it. It was a rebound and thus offside (as clearly defined in the Offside law).

Re your point on the long throw, the throw ends the first time the ball is played by the Oxford player (#33 I think) so that is also not relevant. If the throw had gone straight to the striker (which it didn’t) it would obviously not have been offside.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,892
SBbucks said:
Read what I said above, I’m not sure how else to explain it. As soon as it hit #20 on the back and bounced through to the striker it is offside, as #20 clearly didn’t deliberately play it. It was a rebound and thus offside (as clearly defined in the Offside law).

Re your point on the long throw, the throw ends the first time the ball is played by the Oxford player (#33 I think) so that is also not relevant. If the throw had gone straight to the striker (which it didn’t) it would obviously not have been offside.
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i did and it was nonsense as it's the norwich number 3 that heads it against the number 20

i've posted the video if you want to watch again
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,893
Sky Blue Pete said:
Last weeks ref And many of them just blow up on the time given whatever happens
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Yes such inconstancy causes the abuse of of officials or should I say anxiety on the terraces.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,894
SBbucks said:
Read what I said above, I’m not sure how else to explain it. As soon as it hit #20 on the back and bounced through to the striker it is offside, as #20 clearly didn’t deliberately play it. It was a rebound and thus offside (as clearly defined in the Offside law).

Re your point on the long throw, the throw ends the first time the ball is played by the Oxford player (#33 I think) so that is also not relevant. If the throw had gone straight to the striker (which it didn’t) it would obviously not have been offside.
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the only oxford player near the ball is the 47 and he doesn't touch it so the only 2 oxford players who touch it are the throw in taker and the scorer

i have posted the video if you want to watch it against and refresh your memory
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,895
This could run and run,, What's Pete's interpretation??
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,896
wingy said:
This could run and run,, What's Pete's interpretation??
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it can't as he as he is wrong and the video is in this thread
 

Lamps

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,897
TomRad85 said:
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Found it i think. Absolutely no chance the MLS is better, in fact i'd make an argument for being around 6th, although admittedly i know little about the Brazilian league.
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The Brazilian is close. Just a few hairs breadth in it.
 
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SBbucks

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  • Mar 7, 2025
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David O'Day said:
the only oxford player near the ball is the 47 and he doesn't touch it so the only 2 oxford players who touch it are the throw in taker and the scorer

i have posted the video if you want to watch it against and refresh your memory
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The scorer is in an offside position the whole time, so is offside. Why do you think he is onside when he is clearly in an offside position throughout?
 
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SBbucks

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,899
David O'Day said:
the only oxford player near the ball is the 47 and he doesn't touch it so the only 2 oxford players who touch it are the throw in taker and the scorer

i have posted the video if you want to watch it against and refresh your memory
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I don’t need to see the video again as I’ve watched it 10 times in slow motion on Sky as I couldn’t believe it had been allowed.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,900
SBbucks said:
The scorer is in an offside position the whole time, so is offside. Why do you think he is onside when he is clearly in an offside position throughout?
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ffs

you can not be offside from a throw
no other oxford player touches the ball
the norwich number 3 plays the ball on purpose creating a new phase of play
it hits the back of the norwich 20 and falls to the striker

it's onside, no one else including norwich think it was offside but crack on mate
 
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SBbucks

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,901
SBbucks said:
I don’t need to see the video again as I’ve watched it 10 times in slow motion on Sky as I couldn’t believe it had been allowed.
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The relevant section from Law 11 as you don’t seem to believe it

2. Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
 
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SBbucks

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,902
David O'Day said:
ffs

you can not be offside from a throw
no other oxford player touches the ball
the norwich number 3 plays the ball on purpose creating a new phase of play
it hits the back of the norwich 20 and falls to the striker

it's onside, no one else including norwich think it was offside but crack on mate
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He hasn’t received the ball from a throw so that is absolutely irrelevant. He has received it an offside position from a rebound so is offside.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,903
SBbucks said:
The relevant section from Law 11 as you don’t seem to believe it

2. Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
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that would be great if an oxford player touched the ball, please note the word team mate

as we have established you can not be offside from a throw in so another oxford player would need to be the "team mate" who touches or plays the ball

that doesn't matter though as the norwich number 3 heads the ball out on purpose creating a new phase of play
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,904
SBbucks said:
He hasn’t received the ball from a throw so that is absolutely irrelevant. He has received it an offside position from a rebound so is offside.
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1:02 - he's received it from a rebound of an oxford player heading it on to his own player
 
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Lamps

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,905
SBbucks said:
He hasn’t received the ball from a throw so that is absolutely irrelevant. He has received it an offside position from a rebound so is offside.
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Not as simple as that.

The player wasn't offside from the throwin. The player got the ball after an attempted pass. This call could have gone either way as it could have been interpreted either way as was the header an attempted pass?

The rule is if an attempted pass is made and the ball is intercepted by a player in an offside position it isn't offside.
 

Shannerz

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,906
SBbucks said:
The relevant section from Law 11 as you don’t seem to believe it

2. Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
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The Norwich defender heads it against his own man, sending it back towards the goalscorer.

No Oxford player touches the ball from the throw but the scorer. A Norwich man plays it to him. It's onside.
 
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Shannerz

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,907
In other news, I like Oxford's purple kit.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,908
Shannerz said:
The Norwich defender heads it against his own man, sending it back towards the goalscorer.

No Oxford player touches the ball from the throw but the scorer. A Norwich man plays it to him. It's onside.
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i've posted a video showing him that
 
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SBbucks

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  • Mar 7, 2025
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David O'Day said:
that would be great if an oxford player touched the ball, please note the word team mate

as we have established you can not be offside from a throw in so another oxford player would need to be the "team mate" who touches or plays the ball

that doesn't matter though as the norwich number 3 heads the ball out on purpose creating a new phase of play
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We’re not going to agree on this as you clearly don’t understand the concept of the throw ending the minute it touches another player (it does not have to be a team mate), so you continually saying “can’t be offside from a throw in” is a red herring.

Guarantee that VAR rules that out (we’ve seen similar examples in the premier league over the last few seasons), but understand that the referee and assistant have clearly not seen in detail what has happened.
Ultimately Oxford got lucky and so did we.
 

Shannerz

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  • Mar 7, 2025
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SBbucks said:
We’re not going to agree on this as you clearly don’t understand the concept of the throw ending the minute it touches another player (it does not have to be a team mate), so you continually saying “can’t be offside from a throw in” is a red herring.
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Even if he's in an offside position, the ball's played to him by an opponent, not a team-mate, so he's not offside.

No Oxford player touches the ball to make him offside.
 
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shepardo01

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,911
Anyway - tomorrow;

Bristol City Vs Hull
Swansea Vs 'Boro
West Brom Vs QPR
 
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Lamps

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,912
If the Norwich defender hadn't passed to/hit his team mate it would have been offside.
 
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SBbucks

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,913
Shannerz said:
The Norwich defender heads it against his own man, sending it back towards the goalscorer.

No Oxford player touches the ball from the throw but the scorer. A Norwich man plays it to him. It's onside.
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Another one who doesn’t understand the offside law.
It rebounds off #20 (he doesn’t deliberately play it) so cannot be playing the striker onside. It is only played on if it is deliberate.
So if we all accept that the striker is standing in an offside position, he is not played on, and is thus offside.

You might want to educate yourselves from Law 11 in the FA handbook.
 
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Lamps

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  • Mar 7, 2025
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Shannerz said:
Even if he's in an offside position, the ball's played to him by an opponent, not a team-mate, so he's not offside.

No Oxford player touches the ball to make him offside.
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Offside without what could be seen as a pass to a team mate. If the last Norwich player to touch it was the GK deemed to have made a save it would also have counted as offside.
 
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SBbucks

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,915
Sky Blue Pete said:
Same
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Pete, as someone who understands the laws of the game, what are your thoughts on the onside/offside debate?
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,916
SBbucks said:
Irrelevant. It was offside at the point it bounced off the back of the #20. A rebound or deflection does not play you onside; it’s only onside if a defender deliberately plays the ball.
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can't be offside from a throw in
 

Shannerz

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,917
SBbucks said:
Another one who doesn’t understand the offside law.
It rebounds off #20 (he doesn’t deliberately play it) so cannot be playing the striker onside. It is only played on if it is deliberate.
So if we all accept that the striker is standing in an offside position, he is not played on, and is thus offside.

You might want to educate yourselves from Law 11 in the FA handbook.
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Hmm. I concede this. I think you're right, but it's a strange one if no attacking player has played the ball. You'd think the deflection clause is written with a deflection from an attacking pass in mind.

Anyway, it's given, so all good for us.
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 7, 2025
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SBbucks said:
Another one who doesn’t understand the offside law.
It rebounds off #20 (he doesn’t deliberately play it) so cannot be playing the striker onside. It is only played on if it is deliberate.
So if we all accept that the striker is standing in an offside position, he is not played on, and is thus offside.

You might want to educate yourselves from Law 11 in the FA handbook.
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it rebounds off the 20 after the norwich player heads it clear

the striker can not be offside as the norwich number 3 plays the ball on purpose, the deflection part of Law 11 applies to deflections off defenders when the attacking team have played the ball

there is not a world a player can be offside from a defenders clearance hitting the back of his own teammate

i know this, the ref and his assistant know this and norwich city now this

in fact the only person arguing for an offside is a city fan who originally said an oxford player touched the ball and can't admit they are wrong

sleep it off mate
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 7, 2025
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robbiethemole said:
can't be offside from a throw in
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you can't also be offside if a defender tries to head it clear and heads it into the back of his own player
 
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Lamps

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  • Mar 7, 2025
  • #3,920
SBbucks said:
Another one who doesn’t understand the offside law.
It rebounds off #20 (he doesn’t deliberately play it) so cannot be playing the striker onside. It is only played on if it is deliberate.
So if we all accept that the striker is standing in an offside position, he is not played on, and is thus offside.

You might want to educate yourselves from Law 11 in the FA handbook.
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