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The Philosopher · Apr 30, 2023

Cardiff v Huddersfield TV game today and is the first match in a while that means absolutely nothing to us.

Most TV games have meant “if x beats y then the game against z becomes important because z can catch us / can rest players etc.”.

This one: zilch.

Hang on….

If Hudds win then Rotherham are dragged in the the relegation mix and play Middlesbrough before us and might need a result. They’ll go full tilt against them and might wear them out a bit.

Plus, Rotherham not safe and needing the win might make the chance of (if the Millers win) Middlesbrough going 3rd impossible and less to play for against us.

It’s a stretch and a sad state of affairs really but this is where we seem to be thinking of late - looking at everything

Right.

Come on Warnock!

Edit: put Hudlin on for a guaranteed win (satire)

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 30, 2023

shmmeee said:
We don’t want a Luton draw, we want Boro with no chance of 3rd when they play us. That’s far more important than any matches involving others.

I think that's overstated too tbh. Team in 6th isn't going to be any worse than the team in 5th this season really, all a bit of alottery who ends up where.

Astute · Apr 30, 2023

shmmeee said:
We don’t want a Luton draw, we want Boro with no chance of 3rd when they play us. That’s far more important than any matches involving others.

A Luton draw means Blackburn are still in it but can't catch us because of the GD. They have Millwall last game of the season. Millwall are 1 point and 4GD behind us. Blackburn would need to beat Millwall to have a chance which is Sunderland not beating Preston away.

Sky Blue Harry H · Apr 30, 2023

shmmeee said:
We don’t want a Luton draw, we want Boro with no chance of 3rd when they play us. That’s far more important than any matches involving others.

Why would Boro' care if they're 3rd or 4th. They'd still have 2nd leg home advantage, and finishing 3rd or 4th still wouldn't know in advance who their opponents would be, so makes zero difference to them.

skybluegod · Apr 30, 2023

No team in the world is going to want to go into the playoffs on a loss anyway. Anyone thinking Middlesbrough will in some way take it easy needs to have a wobble.
We just need to go up there playing for a win. It's quite simple.

The Philosopher · Apr 30, 2023

skybluegod said:
No team in the world is going to want to go into the playoffs on a loss anyway. Anyone thinking Middlesbrough will in some way take it easy needs to have a wobble.
We just need to go up there playing for a win. It's quite simple.

Middlesbrough (stating to obvious) want to win the playoffs.

They’ll want to go in with no injuries to key players and no suspensions.

If that means resting a few and telling the players not to go into daft 50/50s then one would think that’d be how they approach playing us.

If that gives us a better chance of not being turned over then that’s what we want, right?

I’m sure that the right manager talk would make a loss less psychologically impactful if their weakened team lost star players fit and available for the final 2/3.

The Philosopher · Apr 30, 2023

Thinking about it, if they did play their full team and we hammer them, wouldn’t that be more damaging than playing a weakened team and losing?

Who knows.

Anyway

Deleted member 5849 · Apr 30, 2023

If this really is the last job Warnock takes, what a way to bow out!

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 30, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
If this really is the last job Warnock takes, what a way to bow out!

Super job like hodgson

SkyBlueSoul · Apr 30, 2023

This has us drawing with Boro and finishing 5th as most likely

The Philosopher · Apr 30, 2023

Is there a Middlesbrough / Sunderland rivalry?

Would they want to avoid each other first leg?

Do they compete for fans (Google maps time) in Bishop Auckland / Durham? (Probably overthinking there)

Would Middlesbrough want to go easy on us if it meant Sunderland slipped out of frame?

Need to delay the kick off. Someone stick a spud up the team bus exhaust.

shmmeee · Apr 30, 2023

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Why would Boro' care if they're 3rd or 4th. They'd still have 2nd leg home advantage, and finishing 3rd or 4th still wouldn't know in advance who their opponents would be, so makes zero difference to them.

Gives you an extra day rest before the final I believe.

Boosh · Apr 30, 2023

Deleted member 5849 said:
If this really is the last job Warnock takes, what a way to bow out!

tremendous manager

slowpoke · Apr 30, 2023

Boosh said:
tremendous manager

Done great again, still need a point though from two home games Sheff United, ironically Warnocks club and relegation rivals Reading where the goal difference is very close.

Hutch11 · Apr 30, 2023

After we battered a woeful uddersfield i feared for them but fair play to Colin, he's turned them right round and it now looks as though they'll survive
Remarkable job

The Philosopher · May 1, 2023

So today we want Rotherham to beat Middlesbrough. We need them to tire them out, get a few Boro sent off and Rotherham to win so that Boro can’t get 3rd and have nothing to play for next week.

And Luton to draw with Blackburn to get them (BB) so they can’t realistically overhaul us but have a chance of beating and overhauling Millwall last day. Don’t want them on the beach last match - need them fighting out a draw.

Is that about it?

steve cooper · May 1, 2023

The Philosopher said:
So today we want Rotherham to beat Middlesbrough. We need them to tire them out, get a few Boro sent off and Rotherham to win so that Boro can’t get 3rd and have nothing to play for next week.

And Luton to draw with Blackburn to get them (BB) so they can’t realistically overhaul us but have a chance of beating and overhauling Millwall last day. Don’t want them on the beach last match - need them fighting out a draw.

Is that about it?

Except I never like it when our next opponents have just lost a game to a team they should have hammered. They generally get a roasting off their manager and their supporters. Both games a draw for me.

covcity4life · May 1, 2023

Luton blackburn draw plz.

Could be massive for our chances of Blackburn fight tooth and nail last day of season Vs Millwall.

SeaSeeEffCee · May 1, 2023

We should want Middlesbrough and Luton to both win in my opinion. Ideal situation is Middlesbrough having nothing to play for but also not in bad enough form that they might want to try and beat us for a bit of momentum.

Astute · May 1, 2023

SeaSeeEffCee said:
We should want Middlesbrough and Luton to both win in my opinion. Ideal situation is Middlesbrough having nothing to play for but also not in bad enough form that they might want to try and beat us for a bit of momentum.

But if Luton win Blackburn can't make the playoffs. Blackburn are 3 points behind Millwall but behind by 11 in GD. If Blackburn beat Luton they can go above us. So best result is a draw. Then make them attack and try to beat Millwall.

clint van damme · May 1, 2023

Hutch11 said:
After we battered a woeful uddersfield i feared for them but fair play to Colin, he's turned them right round and it now looks as though they'll survive
Remarkable job

Their good run under him started before that game, that was an under rated result.

Nantwich Skyblues · May 1, 2023

Middlesbrough playing a near full strength side today

jordan210 · May 1, 2023

blackburn_skyblue said:
Middlesbrough playing a near full strength side today

Maybe they will pick up an injury or two and then think different about out match

Astute · May 1, 2023

blackburn_skyblue said:
Middlesbrough playing a near full strength side today

We get a nice rest. They don't. That's fine by me.

jordan210 · May 1, 2023

Jonny Howson has been replaced as injured in the warm up

The Philosopher · May 1, 2023

Middlesbrough could be facing Coventry on the pitch 4 times in a row.

Astute · May 1, 2023

Corner for Rotherham in 1st minute

Hutch11 · May 1, 2023

The Philosopher said:
So today we want Rotherham to beat Middlesbrough. We need them to tire them out, get a few Boro sent off and Rotherham to win so that Boro can’t get 3rd and have nothing to play for next week.

And Luton to draw with Blackburn to get them (BB) so they can’t realistically overhaul us but have a chance of beating and overhauling Millwall last day. Don’t want them on the beach last match - need them fighting out a draw.

Is that about it?

Wouldn't mind Archer and Akbum getting straight reds , 3 game bans each

The Philosopher · May 1, 2023

C’mon Keith Stroud. Keep them cards coming for Middlesbrough.

napolimp · May 1, 2023

People saying Middlesborough may want to rest players against us, and play some sort of second string, but why would you want your team to have nearly 2 weeks without any game time going into the most important matches of the season?

WestEndAgro · May 1, 2023

Paddy McNair is a right shit house, could do with him getting injured.
A master of the dark arts of defending.

skyblueelephant76 · May 1, 2023

The Philosopher said:
C’mon Keith Stroud. Keep them cards coming for Middlesbrough.

That was a dirty tackle

The Philosopher · May 1, 2023

napolimp said:
People saying Middlesborough may want to rest players against us, and play some sort of second string, but why would you want your team to have nearly 2 weeks without any game time going into the most important matches of the season?

If we were playing, say, Watford and it was a dead rubber, would we risk Gyok and Gus not getting a red or an injury?

clint van damme · May 1, 2023

The Philosopher said:
If we were playing, say, Watford and it was a dead rubber, would we risk Gyok and Gus not getting a red or an injury?

Though this game isn't a dead rubber. Hopefully Monday will be for them.

The Philosopher · May 1, 2023

Middlesbrough are up the top in terms of stats for being long ball merchants. Didn’t know that. I think that suits our back 3.

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