CET Fans Survey (4 Viewers)

dongonzalos · Jun 21, 2012

In the last couple of weeks, I started to question if I was in the minority, with my view that AT is a good manager and the main reason for relegation is the owners.

It seems 51 % think the owners are to blame for relegation.
39 % it is a combo of owners, AT, board, players
2% AT

Is AT the right man to lead cov back to championship
62% yes 38% no.

Two Biggest reasons for relegation
lack of signings 41 %
Loss of big name players 39%
Wrong tactics 4 %

ccfcway · Jun 21, 2012

Is AT the right man to lead us to the championship ?

Isnt that like saying "despit being in a fiesta, can jensen button win the next grand prix"

Grendel · Jun 21, 2012

dongonzalos said:
In the last couple of weeks, I started to question if I was in the minority, with my view that AT is a good manager and the main reason for relegation is the owners.

It seems 51 % think the owners are to blame for relegation.
39 % it is a combo of owners, AT, board, players
2% AT

Is AT the right man to lead cov back to championship
62% yes 38% no.

Two Biggest reasons for relegation
lack of signings 41 %
Loss of big name players 39%
Wrong tactics 4 %

Sorry for my ignorance but where was this survey?

Grendel · Jun 21, 2012

Grendel said:
Sorry for my ignorance but where was this survey?

Sorry - when was this survey - and what was the sample size?

dongonzalos · Jun 21, 2012

No idea how many replied. They advertised it for about 6 weeks I put a link on here for it, encouraging people to take it.

They announced the results over two pages in the CET today.

You could email them to see how many people replied.

Grendel · Jun 21, 2012

dongonzalos said:
No idea how many replied. They advertised it for about 6 weeks I put a link on here for it, encouraging people to take it.

They announced the results over two pages in the CET today.

You could email them to see how many people replied.

A small sample I would suspect - also anyone could reply - including those who do not go - it's not relevant.

dongonzalos · Jun 21, 2012

http://m.coventrytelegraph.net/ms/p...2w/view.m?id=4608735&tid=638956&cat=CCFC_News

Sorry, Duffy 46% of those who replied had a season ticket.

dongonzalos · Jun 21, 2012

In addition to that do you value the opinion of a person who can't go for whatever reason but listen on the radio every week. I am sure they are entitled to an opinion as well

Grendel · Jun 21, 2012

dongonzalos said:
http://m.coventrytelegraph.net/ms/p...2w/view.m?id=4608735&tid=638956&cat=CCFC_News

Sorry, Duffy 46% of those who replied had a season ticket.

What they said they did you mean? Also the questions are ambiguous and my take on it is that 4 out of 10 say Thorn is a factor in our relegation. Only 4% tactics I assume means you cannot say lack of signings and tactics? It's poorly constructed.

sky blue john · Jun 21, 2012

Grendel said:
A small sample I would suspect - also anyone could reply - including those who do not go - it's not relevant.

thats the sought of post i would expect from you so nobody else's oppinion matters and facts ignored.

Grendel · Jun 21, 2012

sky blue john said:
thats the sought of post i would expect from you so nobody else's oppinion matters and facts ignored.

I'm surprised as it's questioning the managers ability (you know the chap with the worst record since the Great War) you just did not say yawn and move on.

dongonzalos · Jun 21, 2012

I have never posted yawn.
I have just recently posted the two ways the argument pans out and ends in dead lock.

It was just nice to know it seems the majority still have faith in him.

dongonzalos · Jun 21, 2012

Grendel said:
What they said they did you mean? Also the questions are ambiguous and my take on it is that 4 out of 10 say Thorn is a factor in our relegation. Only 4% tactics I assume means you cannot say lack of signings and tactics? It's poorly constructed.

I completed the survey you were asked for the two biggest factors causing relegation, so even as a subsidiary factor only 4% included tactics.

dongonzalos · Jun 21, 2012

So so far you have said, most the people completing it would not have gone to the matches.

Yet 46 % say they are season ticket holders.

Then you say that they have lied about this, why would they feel the need to lie that they are a season ticket holder.

Then you say that you could not chose lack of signings and tactics.

Yes you could and only 4 % included tactics.

Anything else? Or do you fancy just taking it on the chin. This survey shows the majority who took this survey still have faith in AT and that tactical errors were not a significant factor causing our relegation.

CovLis86 · Jun 21, 2012

Grendels on the board

Grendel · Jun 21, 2012

dongonzalos said:
So so far you have said, most the people completing it would not have gone to the matches.

Yet 46 % say they are season ticket holders.

Then you say that they have lied about this, why would they feel the need to lie that they are a season ticket holder.

Then you say that you could not chose lack of signings and tactics.

Yes you could and only 4 % included tactics.

Anything else? Or do you fancy just taking it on the chin. This survey shows the majority who took this survey still have faith in AT and that tactical errors were not a significant factor causing our relegation.

It depends on your take. You could say only half blame sisu the other half blame thorn and his players. The 2% figure is irrelevant as if I was asked was he solely responsible for relegation clearly the answer is no.

Grendel · Jun 21, 2012

dongonzalos said:
I have never posted yawn.
I have just recently posted the two ways the argument pans out and ends in dead lock.

It was just nice to know it seems the majority still have faith in him.

The yawn was aimed at Sky Blue John. He's always tired. He keeps falling asleep watching thorns mind numbing tactics and the dullest football known to man.

dongonzalos · Jun 21, 2012

You were given an option to say it was a bit of everything and 39% said that.

Whereas 51% chose to solely blame the owners.

Basically 51 % thought if the owners had not sold the best players or actually replaced them sufficiently AT would have kept us up.

dongonzalos · Jun 21, 2012

Grendel said:
The yawn was aimed at Sky Blue John. He's always tired. He keeps falling asleep watching thorns mind numbing tactics and the dullest football known to man.

This is AT we are talking about and not micky Adams or AB.

lordsummerisle · Jun 21, 2012

Majority of Coventry City fans are idiots shocker?

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...fc-survey-2008-09-the-results-92746-24202608/

dongonzalos · Jun 21, 2012

Bloody hell that is some digging 3 years ago. The days when we still had Westwood and gunner.

Grendel · Jun 21, 2012

dongonzalos said:
Basically 51 % thought if the owners had not sold the best players or actually replaced them sufficiently AT would have kept us up.

And 49% wouldn't. Wow it's a landslide.

Astute · Jun 21, 2012

lordsummerisle said:
Majority of Coventry City fans are idiots shocker?

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...fc-survey-2008-09-the-results-92746-24202608/

Considering that was from 5th October 2010 would you say you will try and use anything you can to make your views look right or would you count yourself as one of the majority you mentioned? ;-)

lordsummerisle · Jun 21, 2012

Astute said:
Considering that was from 5th October 2010 would you say you will try and use anything you can to make your views look right or would you count yourself as one of the majority you mentioned? ;-)

I was in the minority then, and proved correct.

Seems in minority now, and...?

wingy · Jun 21, 2012

lordsummerisle said:
I was in the minority then, and proved correct.

Seems in minority now, and...?[/QUOTE

What you and KD were the two who thought shouold have sold gunner after his first season??

dongonzalos · Jun 21, 2012

Sorry duffy I see the link, does not actually give you all the results that are published in the paper.

It is all quite a majority in favour of AT in any of the questions asked about him.

If you had the paper in front of you with the full results, you would really be struggling to try and make a case against him.

There was no 51% for and 49% against
It was 51 % blaming the owners, 39% blaming a combination of everything. 2% blaming tactics, so many blaming players, others blaming the board.

The only time there was a straight forward for AT or against him and it was also a clear majority was for him. 62% to 38%

Grendel · Jun 21, 2012

wingy said:
lordsummerisle said:

I was in the minority then, and proved correct.

Seems in minority now, and...?[/QUOTE

What you and KD were the two who thought shouold have sold gunner after his first season??

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Naughty. The funniest thing I ever heard on a phone in was when someone said Andrew Whing would be sold for £5 million and play for England. I always wondered Wingy who said that..

dongonzalos · Jun 21, 2012

lordsummerisle said:
I was in the minority then, and proved correct.

Seems in minority now, and...?

SO at that point Jul 21 2009

Am I correct when the survey was taken the club had sold Scott Dann.

The club still had Westwood, Gunnar and Danny Fox.

What was your view in July 2009 exactly 3 years ago, at that time that meant you were in the minority?

Grendel · Jun 21, 2012

dongonzalos said:
If you had the paper in front of you with the full results, you would really be struggling to try and make a case against him.

I'd need to put the paper on my head. Here is a case against him;

- worst record since 1917
- Relegation

Case for him

A survey in the CET.

Right.

wingy · Jun 21, 2012

Grendel said:
wingy said:

Naughty. The funniest thing I ever heard on a phone in was when someone said Andrew Whing would be sold for £5 million and play for England. I always wondered Wingy who said that..

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Now i know my username is similar and i did'nt mind the lad but I thought Adams ruined him ,but alas twas not me on the phone in.

dongonzalos · Jun 21, 2012

Grendel said:
I'd need to put the paper on my head. Here is a case against him;

- worst record since 1917
- Relegation

Case for him

A survey in the CET.

Right.

I actually meant a case against him based on the results of the survey, which you seem to be doing. The survey, that suggests the majority of fans who took this survey do not agree with you.

lordsummerisle · Jun 21, 2012

dongonzalos said:
SO at that point Jul 21 2009

Am I correct when the survey was taken the club had sold Scott Dann.

The club still had Westwood, Gunnar and Danny Fox.

What was your view in July 2009 exqactly 3 years ago, at that time that meant you were in the minority?

That Sisu didn't really have any money, that the sales of Dann and Fox were down to this, and not the "heads turned" line spouted by Sisu, that Coleman was a dreadful manager, and was only getting worse, that within a few years we would be relegated.

Despite alll the "Sisu saved us", "Ray is a hard-headed busness and football man", and laughably, "Coleman is the best manager ouside the Premiership" stuff that was spouted by a very high percentage of fans.

dongonzalos · Jun 21, 2012

lordsummerisle said:
That Sisu didn't really have any money, that the sales of Dann and Fox were down to this, and not the "heads turned" line spouted by Sisu, that Coleman was a dreadful manager, and was only getting worse, that within a few years we would be relegated.

Despite alll the "Sisu saved us", "Ray is a hard-headed busness and football man", and laughably, "Coleman is the best manager ouside the Premiership" stuff that was spouted by a very high percentage of fans.

I think by the looks of it Cov may have still had Fox when the survey was taken.

When did you realise that SISU were skint then. Literally after they sold Dann. Or were you dubious abbout them from the moment they came in?

Personally I was not happy when SISU came in as we did not know who they were.

When Fox, Dann, Westwood, Gunnar were signed they won me over as I thought they knew the only way they could make money would be get back into the prem. Then either sell the club or follow the West Brom route of yo yo ing for a couple of seasons. Till you build up sufficient money.

Once Dann and Fox went I realised they had given up on the dream and we were screwed.

lordsummerisle · Jun 21, 2012

dongonzalos said:
I think by the looks of it Cov may have still had Fox when the survey was taken.

When did you realise that SISU were skint then. Literally after they sold Dann. Or were you dubious abbout them from the moment they came in?

Personally I was not happy when SISU came in as we did not know who they were.

When Fox, Dann, Westwood, Gunnar were signed they won me over as I thought they knew the only way they could make money would be get back into the prem. Then either sell the club or follow the West Brom route of yo yo ing for a couple of seasons. Till you build up sufficient money.

Once Dann and Fox went I realised they had given up on the dream and we were screwed.

Dubious from the start, the fact that Ranson with and without Sisu had been turned down previously by Man City, Aston Villa, and Southampton rung a few alarm bells, but to have a dissenting voice then was to be a traitor or Leicester fan.

dongonzalos · Jun 21, 2012

When we took on AB, I realised they had really lost it and were trying to go down the cheap route and I knew it was always doomed.

I just couldn't comprehend that their plan really was throw 6-7 million at players in one go and expect to get up in that season. Then if we dont, plan B was ................. ah there wasnt one.
Unbelievable madness. For a hedge fund entrusted to invest peoples money.

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