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CCLSC minutes 29th May - Fisher Speaks (1 Viewer)

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wingy

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  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #141
grego_gee said:
I am only trying to draw facts from what JF has said. We can assume these facts as TF states them will be disputed by the other parties.

imp:
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Does a judicial review enable a response to be made ?? If this is indeed the case why wasn't it brought nearer the event ? Why not just Publish the evidence?
 

grego_gee

New Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #142
Ok we all know PWKH would not agree (he wouldn't even agree with any one of 18 "facts" I tried to isolate from his own account of Lawnmowergate!). I personally can't see TF making statements that are complete contradictions of what will shortly come out in the wash anyway! specially in the JR!

But this points to 3 surprising conclusions.

1. SISU were prepared last year to pay in the order of £25m for an extended deal to continue to work in tandem with ACL. ie showing ongoing commitment that many have doubted. AND that there were NOT determined to break ACL!

2. Did not CCFC start to withhold rent in April 2012? if so that was while these negotiations were still ongoing (Terms were signed with HIGGS on 18.6.2012 AFTER this)

3. When the Council decided to go ahead with funding of £14.4m to bail out ACL they already had a deal on the table for SISU to pay it!

imp:
 
Last edited: Jun 4, 2013

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #143
ajsccfc said:
It's hardly common sense to use a reduced ticket offer/blackmail to justify how 'big' a club is. Particularly when clubs listed as 'smaller' have actually achieved things beyond losing in a JPT semi-final in front of a lot of disappointed people.
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But we did it in front of a lot of disappointed people which makes us bigger than somebody winning something in front of only a few happy people apaprently.
 
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Noggin

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  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #144
grego_gee said:
Ok we all know PWKH would not agree (he wouldn't even agree with any one of 18 "facts" I tried to isolate from his own account of Lawnmowergate!). I personally can't see TF making statements that are complete contradictions of what will shortly come out in the wash anyway! specially in the JR!

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Tim Fisher has made many contradictions compared to what has come out in the wash, other people than you call this lieing.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #145
Noggin said:
Tim Fisher has made many contradictions compared to what has come out in the wash, other people than you call this lieing.
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Only the dyslexic ones.
 
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Noggin

New Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #146
lordsummerisle said:
Only the dyslexic ones.
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Spelling humour truly the tool of a razor sharp wit.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #147
Noggin said:
Spelling humour truly the tool of a razor sharp wit.
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Your auto-correct working now then?
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #148
lordsummerisle said:
Your auto-correct working now then?
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I've inadvertedly turned mine on . Bloody annoying all these red lines ,there's one under inadvertedly as I type.
 
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Noggin

New Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #149
lordsummerisle said:
Your auto-correct working now then?
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You should do stand up, there doesn't seem to be a current comedian focused on grammar or spelling, perhaps thats your niche
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #150
There hasn't been a good one since Typo Marx died really.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #151
The Penguin said:
It's almost enough to make one hope this all does go to court in the hopes that the actual truth - no matter who it may purport to benefit - comes out.
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Agreed.

Seems the only way.
 
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Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #152
torchomatic said:
And we don't know they weren't.
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And we'll never be told.. and the true value of these alleged deals can't be understood unless information about the figures involved are disclosed.
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #153
Why are SISU always reactive in there policy statements, doesn't breed trust or confidence does it? When the pressure is on they start bleating and pointing the finger, playing catch up once people start seeing things as they are.

Joy doesn't want to be in the public eye that's her choice. Yes it is. But it leaves me thinking she is distancing herself from the squalid mess or leaving Fisher as the fall guy if it all goes wrong (and I mean verging on the criminal there) or is it just because she knows it is at the very least immoral?

As for her deserving a statue for her investment...well I thought she wanted privacy. also what's the point? No one would know who it was!

Whatever it's one Seppala of a mess: a tangled web of financial dealings, possibly illegal .
 
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James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #154
Nonleagueherewecome said:
There are also certain people who no matter what shite Fisher speaks, love changing the subject and with very little foundation saying "well, it's not as bad as JE/GH/ACL/CCC PWKH". When it is actually much, much worse.
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Or accuse you of being someone you're not.:laugh:

I love the idea that Grendel actually thinks I'm PWKH, I have had a good laugh over that.
 
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play_in_skyblue_stripes

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #155
"But we did it in front of a lot of disappointed people which makes us bigger than somebody winning something in front of only a few happy people apaprently."


Not surprising that I agree with you lordsummerisle.

I seem to remember Coventry took 60 000 to the charity shield in 1987. How many clubs could do that?

In first years of top flight we had something like 5th highest attendances in the country, check the stats. Those were the good times economic wise for Coventry in a similar way that other towns ot cities like Reading are now doing quite well.

Yes there are of course bigger clubs that Coventry City. However just because Coventry City are pretty crap most of the time does NOT make us a small club with no potential . Someone has to tap into the potential and SISU are not the ones it seems.

This may annoy some people but part of the problem with Coventry is directly linked to the fans and small time thinking and acceptance of failure over the years. Never truer than now and almost accepting what SISU are trying to do to us. Yes after a while it does get you down particularly since relegation 2001. but dont let SISU condemn us to permanent obsecurity with a 12K stadium or without a ground and 1K crowds at away "home" games.
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #156
grego_gee said:
Ok we all know PWKH would not agree (he wouldn't even agree with any one of 18 "facts" I tried to isolate from his own account of Lawnmowergate!). I personally can't see TF making statements that are complete contradictions of what will shortly come out in the wash anyway! specially in the JR!

But this points to 3 surprising conclusions.

1. SISU were prepared last year to pay in the order of £25m for an extended deal to continue to work in tandem with ACL. ie showing ongoing commitment that many have doubted. AND that there were NOT determined to break ACL!

2. Did not CCFC start to withhold rent in April 2012? if so that was while these negotiations were still ongoing (Terms were signed with HIGGS on 18.6.2012 AFTER this)

3. When the Council decided to go ahead with funding of £14.4m to bail out ACL they already had a deal on the table for SISU to pay it!

imp:
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But according to the notes from the CCLSG he said [replica] kits are in hand but being held up until our club comes out of administration. Fine except that our Club isn't in administration according to TF, he says our Club is in Holdings not Ltd (in administration). So is he contradicting himself, why can't they just release the kits if we're not in administration like he says?
Or are there two parallel universes colliding in CV6 where both situations are correct?
 
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simple_simon

New Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #157
But who wants a bloody new kit, I want our football club back
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #158
play_in_skyblue_stripes said:
"But we did it in front of a lot of disappointed people which makes us bigger than somebody winning something in front of only a few happy people apaprently."


Not surprising that I agree with you lordsummerisle.

I seem to remember Coventry took 60 000 to the charity shield in 1987. How many clubs could do that?

In first years of top flight we had something like 5th highest attendances in the country, check the stats. Those were the good times economic wise for Coventry in a similar way that other towns ot cities like Reading are now doing quite well.

Yes there are of course bigger clubs that Coventry City. However just because Coventry City are pretty crap most of the time does NOT make us a small club with no potential . Someone has to tap into the potential and SISU are not the ones it seems.

This may annoy some people but part of the problem with Coventry is directly linked to the fans and small time thinking and acceptance of failure over the years. Never truer than now and almost accepting what SISU are trying to do to us. Yes after a while it does get you down particularly since relegation 2001. but dont let SISU condemn us to permanent obsecurity with a 12K stadium or without a ground and 1K crowds at away "home" games.
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I was at the Charity Shield and the atmosphere was electric, not quite as good as the Cup Final (especially after the final whistle) but still the most amazing day.
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #159
simple_simon said:
But who wants a bloody new kit, I want our football club back
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Amen to that!
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #160
torchomatic said:
It would be interesting to get PWKHs thoughts on Fisher's quotes. Very interesting.
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+1 I can't imagine why ACL haven't taken Tim to task (legally or otherwise) on previous statements he's made that contained inaccuracies.
 

grego_gee

New Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #161
James Smith said:
But according to the notes from the CCLSG he said [replica] kits are in hand but being held up until our club comes out of administration. Fine except that our Club isn't in administration according to TF, he says our Club is in Holdings not Ltd (in administration). So is he contradicting himself, why can't they just release the kits if we're not in administration like he says?
Or are there two parallel universes colliding in CV6 where both situations are correct?
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Hey thats AMAZING,
I can't think why he would say that!
Funny you hang on every word he says when it demonstrates what you want to think, then say he always lies when somebody points to things that don't suit your want.
That's objective!

imp:
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #162
stupot07 said:
Ah the JTP semi final.....the benchmark for how big a club is
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How many clubs did get a crowd of 30000 this season for a competitive match?
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #163
dongonzalos said:
How many clubs did get a crowd of 30000 this season for a competitive match?
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£5 and people thought they were getting a guaranteed Wembley ticket...how many were at the previous tie or the league game on the following Saturday?
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2013
  • #164
stupot07 said:
£5 and people thought they were getting a guaranteed Wembley ticket...how many were at the previous tie or the league game on the following Saturday?
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If it was just to get the wembley ticket you could not turn up, to watch the match. It looked pretty full to me.

It was the first taste of any form of success for what seems like an eternity.

Do you know how many teams got 30 k or more this season for a competitive match?
 
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ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 5, 2013
  • #165
dongonzalos said:
it was the first taste of any firm if success for what seems like an eternity.
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bingo .
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 5, 2013
  • #166
as a fan from another country, this was our biggest game since we played Leeds, which was the last time we saw Ben Turner
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 5, 2013
  • #167
play_in_skyblue_stripes said:
"But we did it in front of a lot of disappointed people which makes us bigger than somebody winning something in front of only a few happy people apaprently."


Not surprising that I agree with you lordsummerisle.

I seem to remember Coventry took 60 000 to the charity shield in 1987. How many clubs could do that?

In first years of top flight we had something like 5th highest attendances in the country, check the stats. Those were the good times economic wise for Coventry in a similar way that other towns ot cities like Reading are now doing quite well.

Yes there are of course bigger clubs that Coventry City. However just because Coventry City are pretty crap most of the time does NOT make us a small club with no potential . Someone has to tap into the potential and SISU are not the ones it seems.

This may annoy some people but part of the problem with Coventry is directly linked to the fans and small time thinking and acceptance of failure over the years. Never truer than now and almost accepting what SISU are trying to do to us. Yes after a while it does get you down particularly since relegation 2001. but dont let SISU condemn us to permanent obsecurity with a 12K stadium or without a ground and 1K crowds at away "home" games.
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Very well said. It's the passionate argument from CCFC supporters that we are a small club now and will be for ever more that are most dis-heartening at the moment. The very idea of supporters of this club actually wanting us to to be playing in a pathetic little lower league ground rather than a Premier League standard stadium is very sad. We are potentially a mid-table top-flight side, yet many would rule that out ever happening again-which it certainly won't with such a lack of ambition.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 5, 2013
  • #168
dongonzalos said:
If it was just to get the wembley ticket you could not turn up, to watch the match. It looked pretty full to me.

It was the first taste of any form of success for what seems like an eternity.

Do you know how many teams got 30 k or more this season for a competitive match?
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Are you denying that £5 per ticket and a chance to get a Wembley ticket had nothing do do with the crowd?

35k watched Grimsby vs Wrexham in the FA trophy final. They must be bigger than us.
 

Sky Blues

Active Member
  • Jun 5, 2013
  • #169
stupot07 said:
Are you denying that £5 per ticket and a chance to get a Wembley ticket had nothing do do with the crowd?

35k watched Grimsby vs Wrexham in the FA trophy final. They must be bigger than us.
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According to that source you referenced earlier in this thread, Grimsby are a bigger club than us. Given it was a cup final and Wrexham are, that website says, the 71st biggest club and therefore, one might assume, bringing at least 7000-odd fans, it could be said that was a pretty poor turnout...

 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 5, 2013
  • #170
dongonzalos said:
How many clubs did get a crowd of 30000 this season for a competitive match?
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How many clubs see two thirds of their stadium sit completely empty for the other 25 or so competitive matches in a season?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 5, 2013
  • #171
ajsccfc said:
How many clubs see two thirds of their stadium sit completely empty for the other 25 or so competitive matches in a season?
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What do you think our crowds would be at the top end of the Championship/bottom half PL?
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 5, 2013
  • #172
Better, obviously. But we're not there and it's on merit, so how can we pretend to be above all this and 'bigger' than teams that pull in more crowds and are more successful?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 5, 2013
  • #173
ajsccfc said:
Better, obviously. But we're not there and it's on merit, so how can we pretend to be above all this and 'bigger' than teams that pull in more crowds and are more successful?
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I suppose it comes down to things beyond league position. CCFC is unique in its record of no league success over an enormous (for football) timeframe. No club does nothing for over 40 years and fills its ground to the rafters-yes you can point to '87 but it was just one glorious day in the sun.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 5, 2013
  • #174
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I suppose it comes down to things beyond league position. CCFC is unique in its record of no league success over an enormous (for football) timeframe. No club does nothing for over 40 years and fills its ground to the rafters-yes you can point to '87 but it was just one glorious day in the sun.
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Completely agree, which is why we're not a big club. We're not a small club either, mind.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Jun 5, 2013
  • #175
ajsccfc said:
How many clubs see two thirds of their stadium sit completely empty for the other 25 or so competitive matches in a season?
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The potential is there and is shown whenever we get a sniff of a successful run.
 
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