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  • Thread starter mattylad
  • Start date Jun 11, 2014
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mattylad

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  • Jun 11, 2014
  • #1
Anyone notice the clubs promise to post the key points on its website has missed off three of the main CCC arguments from today....shocked I am not
 

TrueSkyBlueLiam

Member
  • Jun 11, 2014
  • #2
What can you expect from a SISU owned buisiness? To be quite honest, i couldnt give a toss what SISU and the council do in their petty little arguement. I just want these C-Units out of our club and i cant see this review making a blind bit of differance
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 11, 2014
  • #3
It's not that surprising is it...? The official council mouthpiece (CET) did something very similar.

Just more propaganda from both sides.
 

Danceswithhorses

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  • Jun 11, 2014
  • #4
Ian1779 said:
It's not that surprising is it...? The official council mouthpiece (CET) did something very similar.

Just more propaganda from both sides.
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Not agreeing with your opinion, does not make the CET biased
 
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The Gentleman

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  • Jun 11, 2014
  • #5
Ian1779 said:
It's not that surprising is it...? The official council mouthpiece (CET) did something very similar.

Just more propaganda from both sides.
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What, Les Reid is back?
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #6
Danceswithhorses said:
Not agreeing with your opinion, does not make the CET biased
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It does when it's Les Reid apparently.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #7
Surely you would expect the ccc or ccfc sites to spin it their way and the cet just put the facts?
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #8
Nick said:
Surely you would expect the ccc or ccfc sites to spin it their way and the cet just put the facts?
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I think this is just a comment on another broken promise from CCFC/Sisu "clubs promise to post the key points on its website"

Of course they are going to put their own spin on it, but why make promises that they have no intention of keeping?
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #9
Nick said:
Surely you would expect the ccc or ccfc sites to spin it their way and the cet just put the facts?
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I would expect the football clubs site not to comment until its over; not to run a skewed iteration of their truth, sanctioned North Korea-stylee, edited by Winston Smith. Tell me, is there a running commentary on the council web site?

And for the Telegraph to run the story factually, with a flavour of the reporters view; with was to be frank a touch anti-council of stance under Reid. And less so now.

The amusing thing being that those who didn't comment or have a concern when Reid had his position, do have an issue now that his replacement hasn't...
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #10
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
The amusing thing being that those who didn't comment or have a concern when Reid had his position, do have an issue now that his replacement hasn't...
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The amusing thing is that those who didn't comment or have a concern when Reid has his position criticising Sisu.

The same went for Nikki Sinclaire of course,

It's the sycophancy that gets me, "Was all "Les, Les, look at this?" or "Nikki, Nikki, i wrote to you, you're great", and now it's all "Simon, doing a great job", "Simon, could you look into this?", "Simon, any new club owning scams to write about?".
 
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_brian_

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #11
lordsummerisle said:
The amusing thing is that those who didn't comment or have a concern when Reid has his position criticising Sisu.

The same went for Nikki Sinclaire of course,

It's the sycophancy that gets me, "Was all "Les, Les, look at this?" or "Nikki, Nikki, i wrote to you, you're great", and now it's all "Simon, doing a great job", "Simon, could you look into this?", "Simon, any new club owning scams to write about?".
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Me thinks someone is getting a little bit jealous!!! LOL!!! Only joking, m' Lord!!!
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #12
lordsummerisle said:
The amusing thing is that those who didn't comment or have a concern when Reid has his position criticising Sisu.

The same went for Nikki Sinclaire of course,

It's the sycophancy that gets me, "Was all "Les, Les, look at this?" or "Nikki, Nikki, i wrote to you, you're great", and now it's all "Simon, doing a great job", "Simon, could you look into this?", "Simon, any new club owning scams to write about?".
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Reid primarily had a council bashing stance on this. It may have been a view jaundiced by his dealings with certain individuals in his political role; but his appraisal of both sides wasn't measured.

Even now, at this late stage, there's no smoking gun. If SISU win, it'll be a hollow victory gained by a process of distress now all but the insane acknowledgeme, coupled with a nuance of European competition laws. That's not how Reid offered commentary. Not even close
 

Sub

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #13
bigfatronssba said:
I think this is just a comment on another broken promise from CCFC/Sisu "clubs promise to post the key points on its website"

Of course they are going to put their own spin on it, but why make promises that they have no intention of keeping?
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nothing new though is it how often do they keep their promises ??
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #14
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
I would expect the football clubs site not to comment until its over; not to run a skewed iteration of their truth, sanctioned North Korea-stylee, edited by Winston Smith. Tell me, is there a running commentary on the council web site?

And for the Telegraph to run the story factually, with a flavour of the reporters view; with was to be frank a touch anti-council of stance under Reid. And less so now.

The amusing thing being that those who didn't comment or have a concern when Reid had his position, do have an issue now that his replacement hasn't...
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To be fair, I had big big concerns over Reid, but I rather like Simon's reporting, but then I'd say that is so because it is less opinion & more factual, others may beg to differ, but that is their prerogative.
 
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No future with SISU

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #15
Ian1779 said:
It's not that surprising is it...? The official council mouthpiece (CET) did something very similar.

Just more propaganda from both sides.
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The Coventry Telegraph are reporting the facts as said in the court case. They may be reporting it from the view of the fans but at least they are not leaving out major facts like the club site is doing. The club site have written "CCFC agreed a £400,000 a year rent deal with ACL" and then nothing about the fact Joy said no way, I will only pay £100,000.Do not read the club account of the case as they have only half of the facts on there.
 
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RFC

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #16
Ian1779 said:
It's not that surprising is it...? The official council mouthpiece (CET) did something very similar.

Just more propaganda from both sides.
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Great to note that at least someone on here can 'see the wood from the trees'.

Got it in ONE!
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #17
RFC said:
Great to note that at least someone on here can 'see the wood from the trees'.

Got it in ONE!
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So you were wrong then? The truth never came out, the big bombshell turned out to be a wet fart.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #18
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Reid primarily had a council bashing stance on this. It may have been a view jaundiced by his dealings with certain individuals in his political role; but his appraisal of both sides wasn't measured.

Even now, at this late stage, there's no smoking gun. If SISU win, it'll be a hollow victory gained by a process of distress now all but the insane acknowledgeme, coupled with a nuance of European competition laws. That's not how Reid offered commentary. Not even close
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To be fair that article from Les Reid was N Opinion piece not a 'news' report, so was entitle to put his opinion/spin/angle of events in that article. I have no problem with that, pretty much every broadsheet and red top has opinion pieces, and people don't always agree with those.

Re: smoking gun. Was thinking this morning that perhaps the smoking gun was in the 2 arguments that the judge deemed irrelevant to the JR?




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
 
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No future with SISU

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #19
RFC said:
Great to note that at least someone on here can 'see the wood from the trees'.

Got it in ONE!
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What is it like in Brum today, has the judge turned up yet?
 
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Monners

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #20
stupot07 said:
To be fair that article from Les Reid was N Opinion piece not a 'news' report, so was entitle to put his opinion/spin/angle of events in that article. I have no problem with that, pretty much every broadsheet and red top has opinion pieces, and people don't always agree with those.

Re: smoking gun. Was thinking this morning that perhaps the smoking gun was in the 2 arguments that the judge deemed irrelevant to the JR?




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The judge (legal expert) deemed the 2 arguments as irrelevant, therefore no smoking gun there surely.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #21
No future with SISU said:
The Coventry Telegraph are reporting the facts as said in the court case. They may be reporting it from the view of the fans but at least they are not leaving out major facts like the club site is doing. The club site have written "CCFC agreed a £400,000 a year rent deal with ACL" and then nothing about the fact Joy said no way, I will only pay £100,000.Do not read the club account of the case as they have only half of the facts on there.
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Like on here : http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/six-things-learnt-day-two-7254548

No mention of the 400k rent deal going back up to silly money after 3 years

That was one of the things we actually did learn...
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #22
Jack Griffin said:
To be fair, I had big big concerns over Reid, but I rather like Simon's reporting, but then I'd say that is so because it is less opinion & more factual, others may beg to differ, but that is their prerogative.
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I still don't understand this base position that newspapers report events objectively.

Of course they don't, and they never have!

So it just comes down to whether you agree with the stance taken or not whether you see it as objective. (you in the general sense, as opposed to you specific )
 

Sky Blues

Active Member
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #23
Nick said:
Like on here : http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/six-things-learnt-day-two-7254548

No mention of the 400k rent deal going back up to silly money after 3 years

That was one of the things we actually did learn...
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Does it matter if it goes back up after 3 years? That's all the time Mr Fisher said he needed for his vision to build a new stadia. Back to the Ricoh for three years at £400,000 then... Bam! Just as the rent goes back up, off to the new home to reap a bountiful harvest of pie income.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 12, 2014
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Sky Blues said:
Does it matter if it goes back up after 3 years? That's all the time Mr Fisher said he needed for his vision to build a new stadia. Back to the Ricoh for three years at £400,000 then... Bam! Just as the rent goes back up, off to the new home to reap a bountiful harvest of pie income.
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But they didn't have a break clause in the contract.
 

stupot07

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #25
Monners said:
The judge (legal expert) deemed the 2 arguments as irrelevant, therefore no smoking gun there surely.
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Not really, there may have been some questionable tactics/decisions, etc that did occur that may have contributed to breakdown of the relationship but it wasn't relevant to the JR. Doesn't mean it never happened, doesn't mean it did.

SISU taking cov to Northampton had no relevance on the JR, as it happened after the council loan. Still happened, still compounded the relationship breakdown, just no relevance to the JR.


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Sky Blues

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #26
Deleted member 5849 said:
But they didn't have a break clause in the contract.
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They didn't have one in the original contract either NW and they broke that. (Just saying, not condoning contract-breaking).
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #27
Sky Blues said:
Does it matter if it goes back up after 3 years? That's all the time Mr Fisher said he needed for his vision to build a new stadia. Back to the Ricoh for three years at £400,000 then... Bam! Just as the rent goes back up, off to the new home to reap a bountiful harvest of pie income.
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Yes, but it is something we learned about yesterday and it isn't in the article so it isn't just CCFC only writing certain bits is it? Which was my point.
 

Sky Blues

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #28
Sky Blues said:
I guess I went off on a tangent of asking whether it really changed anything rather than engaging in bickering about bias by one side or the other. My apologies Nick, I'll try better in future to shoot messengers and not the stories they tell (or don't tell).
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Jack Griffin

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #29
Nick said:
Like on here : http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/six-things-learnt-day-two-7254548

No mention of the 400k rent deal going back up to silly money after 3 years

That was one of the things we actually did learn...
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Wasn't it a sum 'for renegotiation', no certainty that it would be any particular figure, realistically it wouldn't be the original sum, but something less negotiated as before.. maybe its nice to live in a b&w world, but in my experience life ain't like that.


Simon Gilbert @TheSimonGilbert · 24h

400k rent deal of Dec 2012 would only have been for 3 years then open to renegotiation says judge.
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Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #30
stupot07 said:
Not really, there may have been some questionable tactics/decisions, etc that did occur that may have contributed to breakdown of the relationship but it wasn't relevant to the JR. Doesn't mean it never happened, doesn't mean it did.

SISU taking cov to Northampton had no relevance on the JR, as it happened after the council loan. Still happened, still compounded the relationship breakdown, just no relevance to the JR.
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We all know that there was a break-down in the relationship; but the point people are trying to make is that there is - seemingly - no smoking gun, or revelation.

We have had the original courts case in Birmingham, the JR application hearing, the Higgs hearing and now the full Judicial Review. If there was anything still 'out there' it would have seen the light of day by now.

Surely, we have to now accept, there was no 'secret deal', there's is no 'ta-da' moment? There is no revelation. SISU knew what the CBRE valuation report of 2012 told us; namely that there was a huge correlation between incomes and the final health - and therefore value - of ACL and therefore it was in their best interests to distress the business with a view to buy it as cheaply as possible. That - my friend - that's it
 

lewys33

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #31
To quote a famous saying ......

"It's all about the he said she said bullshit"
Limp Bizkit - 1999
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 12, 2014
  • #32
Deleted member 5849 said:
I still don't understand this base position that newspapers report events objectively.

Of course they don't, and they never have!

So it just comes down to whether you agree with the stance taken or not whether you see it as objective. (you in the general sense, as opposed to you specific )
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Ah, so because nothing is perfect, there are no grades of imperfection.

Not everyone likes every food, so there is no such thing as bad food.

Not up to your usual logical standards mate.

There is a difference between AL Jazeera/BBC and Fox News/Daily Sport. There is a reason comment/opinion and news are separate sections in the paper.

At the end of the day, people pulled Reid's articles to pieces, yet the worst Simon has had is a few nasty vague rumours about his editor being part of a conspiracy. Which sounds an awful lot like a certain Mr Reid, who seems to not be getting the plum jobs he once was. Look for the motive. Reid (and by extension his mate RobS) has one to discredit others, what is everyone else's motive?

One other thing. When Simon has been pulled up on inaccuracies, they have been changed immediately, even when he disagrees he does so politely and professionally or he ignores it completely if not worth engaging in. Compare that to Reid's antics on Twitter and in blog comment sections to any fan who disagreed with him/pulled him up on his facts. You can tell a lot about a man by how he treats those he needn't be concerned with IMO.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 12, 2014
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shmmeee said:
Not up to your usual logical standards mate.

There is a difference between AL Jazeera/BBC and Fox News/Daily Sport. There is a reason comment/opinion and news are separate sections in the paper.
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Not up to my usual logical standards? I could give you tens of thousands of words about how 'objectivity' is naturalised in some of the examples you give, and how actually it's about the representation of objectivity, rather than the actuality

The reason comment/news are separate are about the attempt to present the news as objective in opposition to something else, rather than it actually being skewed through a prism.

Objectivity, in the media, does not exist. It is a myth.
 
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